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Old 10-17-2016, 12:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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hm has provided us with numerous wonderful models and many great surprises over the years. however, there is also a large number of 'low hanging fruit' that bizarrely they have not done. here's my list feel free to add. note that this list does not include things where they 'just haven't gotten to it yet' and not enough time has passed - for example, this list does not include certain Bf109s as that would be very premature at this point.

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  • a post-war USAF and/or ANG P-51 or F-51
  • a korean war corsair
  • a yellow USAF AT-6 (one of the most iconic schemes ever)
  • P-39 "Air-a-Cutie" (an extremely popular livery)
  • a SVAF Skyraider (the excellent code 3 in the other thread notwithstanding)
  • a non basic korean war yellow stripe US sabre
  • an update to give the SBD or TBD a tail gunner. Maybe impossible, but still..
  • any post-war Hellcat (drone, drone controller, etc)
  • any post war SB2C
  • a 'usaf grey' F-111 (the last major scheme remaining)
  • non green/brown a/b hurricanes. but *surely* these must be coming.
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"a yellow USAF AT-6 (one of the most iconic)"
Asked for this one years ago having trained in one myself. William noted possibly in the future but that the Texans had not been selling well.

"a non basic korean war yellow stripe US sabre"
Another I would jump at.

"a 'usaf grey' F-111 (the last major scheme remaining)"
I would like to see one of these as well.
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I would take the F-111 as well if they made it...
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I have to add to that list, a NASA F-18. HM makes an incredible F-18 model and the NASA bird is popular and has an international following, surprised HM has stayed away from this one.
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Would HM have to get rights to the NASA livery?
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Korean war Corsair would be significant
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Could be nothing more than HM taking their time. They did after all take ages to deliver a Vigi, Hawkeye, Viking and Prowler.
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Good list, I could maybe add a new silver USAF F-104A or C. Would love something a little less colorful than Really George.

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Skyraiders in Africa:


Stukas:
There are a lot of special schemes seen on late series Stukas HM could have done.
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F-100 without the weathering of the paint on the tailpipe (like the Thunderbird models they did):


Lots of good F-16 ideas were mentioned on the f-16 specific thread (I like the blue and grey scheme Chilean F-16s and the Dutch display Falcon)(Ok, the Chilean F-16 may not be an obvious choice, but it is lesser known and would make a great model):



Somebody mentioned Japanese Display F-15s somewhere here recently, and I thought that was a great idea.


Aussie Anti-shipping F-111:


Also HM could have chosen lots of neat Mig-21 schemes to do.
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these would be home runs


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Still hoping for a couple of modified toolings...

A-1E (after all, there's a pic of one on the back of the current Skyraider box).

F-105G (please).

And, not a new or modified tooling but please release a retro USN Grumman E-2!
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Still hoping for a couple of modified toolings...

A-1E (after all, there's a pic of one on the back of the current Skyraider box).

F-105G (please).

And, not a new or modified tooling but please release a retro USN Grumman E-2!
I would love an early E-2A/B Hawkeye too, agree with both your other wishes 100% too.
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F-100F
F-105F/G
TA-4 Skyhawk
A-1E
AH-1 Series
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F-100F
F-105F/G
TA-4 Skyhawk
A-1E
AH-1 Series
F-100F in a Vietnam Fast FAC config would be great "Misty"
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F-100F
F-105F/G
TA-4 Skyhawk
A-1E
AH-1 Series
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F-100F in a Vietnam Fast FAC config would be great "Misty"
I would definitely be in for all of the above, and let's not forget the A-26K Counter Invader or the single-seat RF-101C Voodoos...
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Old 10-17-2016, 10:18 PM   #16 (permalink)
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What does the USAF gray scheme look like? The one like the Canon release?
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All good suggestions and I particularly agree with the silver F-104 suggestion. I also think HM could and should do an NF-104 (minor tooling changes required, or maybe even just a few extra plastic parts) and definitely the "China Lake" 104s which will prove popular. All no brainers.

There's also this, which the builder seems to insist was a real (if short lived) livery:




Some of you suggested major new toolings or modified toolings. While i agree with a lot of them (2-seat A-4 skyhawk is an absolute slam dunk no brainer and A1E would be superb as well), they are kind of outside the scope of this thread.

USAF grey - sorry i was not clear. I meant the early scheme:



about the korean war corsairs: if you after one, do your best to pick up a Franklin Mint version in 1/48. While not perfect, on balance I think they are superior to HM's. "Bedcheck charlie" in particular ranks among my favorite 5 diecast of all time.

The lack of korean war mustangs is more troubling Franklin Mint's mustang tooling was not great, and I think even if HM just did your basic sharks mouth F-51 korean war scheme this would be more popular. it's particularly bizarre since HM has given us post war mustangs galore, including a dutch release which is still available new from some retailers so many years later.



The notion about the T-6s being unpopular is due to two things:
1. they were making bull**** liveries and doing a **** job at that
2. they were charging mad coin for them.

I think a lot of us understand "Turkish Beaufighter" to be a cliche in terrible HM livery choices. But "Brazilian Texan" should be right up next to that. The Blue Angels SNJ "Beetle Bomb" deserves to be remembered as the laziest HM release ever. It's basically dipped in thick terrible yellow paint and that's it. Imagine a USAF AT-6 done to the standard of the first or second texan releases - would be outstanding.
HM seems to think that we can't see or remember that outstandingly awesome releases like the first four texans used to be available for under 1/4 of what the are asking for the new ones.

and for that matter, a proper us navy yellow SNJ would work too and they could split run it with japanese and israeli AT-6s in similar liveries.

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Was the intention new moulds, or schemes not yet explored for existent models?

Why no mid-80s USAF TAC F-16A? The only early-model F-16s we've had have been Israeli, and maybe ROCAF ones.

Why no Osan AB A-10 & F-16? With the checkered tail. Awesome looking.

Orange Edwards AFB scheme F-15, and F-4C/D/E/G.

Prototype YF-18A schemes. NAVY on one side, MARINES on the other.

Navy aggressor F-16s and F-14s.

Definitely agree on the grey USAF prototype F-111A scheme. Long overdue.
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I would love to see a Grumman Tracker. With the Viking and Hawkeye, it seems like a logical release.
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USAF grey - sorry i was not clear. I meant the early scheme:



Have these colours ever been worn by an operational unit? I thought these were only worn by prototypes and test aircraft. It's basically a USN scheme it's wearing, similar to the early Tomcats.
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Lots of good F-16 ideas were mentioned on the f-16 specific thread (I like the blue and grey scheme Chilean F-16s and the Dutch display Falcon)(Ok, the Chilean F-16 may not be an obvious choice, but it is lesser known and would make a great model):
This Chilean F-16A might actually get some attention in Holland as well, as it is a former Netherlands Air Force viper.
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Somebody mentioned Japanese Display F-15s somewhere here recently, and I thought that was a great idea.
Indeed... JASDF eagles from aggressor squadron would be great !
So after asking to william, japanese distributor don't plan to release these kind of stuff

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  • Any A-4 with a buddy store.
  • VF-74 F4H-1 (F-4B) embarked aboard USS FORRESTAL (first operational cruise).
  • Agree, NASA F/A-18.
  • 4th FIW (black and white striped) F-86A.
  • AFFTC F-100 chase plane.
  • MiG-15 UTI mod tooling, tons of good schemes.
  • Mitsubishi A6M tooling.
  • Ilyushin Il-2 Штурмови́к (Šturmovík) tooling.
  • Late NASA F-104 (I've had the Plane Crazy NF-104 on pre-order for years, not sure it's as easy as it seems).
  • Indian MiG-21.

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  • P-39 "Air-a-Cutie" (an extremely popular livery)
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Aussie Anti-shipping F-111:
That would be the very attractive Aircraft Research and Development Unit (ARDU) scheme.

Hobby Master would do well to include four Harpoon missiles in the next RAAF Aardvark to shake things up from the same old attachments.

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The light grey 111 livery was used (with some variations) on the first 18 or so prototype and testing aircraft.

Dont think its fair to call that a "USN" livery as it was used in combat by F4Cs which came out of the factory to the airforce painted that way. it was the subject of the highly terrible HM release HA1930 which probably more than any other phantom deserves to be re-done properly (and hm sending all current owners a refund and an apology to boot ha ha).

i believe that at least one and possibly several more of these were then converted into FB-111As which served operationally with SAC in this livery. my source for this is a very quick lookup into the 'in action' book.

here's a particularly interesting one with the sac sash




nice to see so many people jumping on he f-18 prototype bandwagon that i have been suggesting for years and years now.
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Venezuelan air force F-16, first south american operator, I love this camo scheme!
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a yellow USAF AT-6 (one of the most iconic schemes ever)
It would seem to me that the Harvard/Texan hasn't sold as well for HM because they've picked the wrong liveries. The yellow USAF AT-6 50's Korean War era livery would be a hit. Perhaps even more surprising is that they still haven't done an RCAF BCATP (British Commonwealth Air Training Plan) version yet. 131,500 were trained in the Harvard in Canada in WWII (compared to 16,000 on the Texan in the US). That said, there are far more people living in the US which would arguably make the USAF Texan version more popular among collectors.
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Venezuelan air force F-16, first south american operator, I love this camo scheme!
given that that the witty venezuelan f-16s were selling for under GBP 5 at some point, i can't see this happening. but, then again, they did make the brazilian t6...
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A "Combat Archer" F-111 from the ill-fated first deployment in '68 would be nice.

VNAF Tiger II as well as the Skyraider - post '75 VPAF schemes would also be interesting.

VF-142 Ghostriders Spook - they look great and were the USN's first "ace squadron" over Vietnam.

There are countless great A-4 schemes.

Proper camo VVS Flogger.

Croatian Fishbed.

QF-106/QF-4/QF-16

Decent Mod Eagle F-15, early USAF F-15A in all over light grey

AC-47, or any military DC-3/C-47s except the one D-Day release

An Orion from the L-188

Early Vietnam-era "Farm Gate" (not Counter Invader) A-26
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Early Vietnam-era "Farm Gate" (not Counter Invader) A-26
I'm all for Vietnam-era B-26s, but damn if HM hasn't been hit and miss (mostly miss) on this tooling...

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guys, this thread seems to have devolved from "low hanging fruit" to "obscure releases that probably have no chance in hell of being made." "Croatian Fishbed", "Chilean F-5" and "Venezuelan Falcon" are not "low hanging fruit". I appreciate that collectors have their interests, but this is not the topic for them. I apologize that indeed this does bias this thread towards larger diecast market countries.
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Is this fruit low enough...?

I think, yes...
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Is this fruit low enough...?

I think, yes...
I keep waiting on the day when HM does this and another RAN Skyhawk as a split release.
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Proper USSR combat MiG-15 other than the only one they did, which you can't get anymore.

Wildcat- ok, William has said one will be on the way, but why was one never done in the early days, when the Hellcat was released? Granted the Dragon version was still around back then but so was their Hellcat, & that didn't stop HM doing a Hellcat.

A green/green splinter camo, non-mottled Bf-110.
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The A-4 is still being used for combat training in Canada:



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