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dont know about wal-mart but here in the uk our dominant store is tesco and i think it has advantages for the consumer but is supposed to be giveing staff and farmers a bad deal, we also have wal-mart here in the form of ASDA but i dont shop there so cant comment but tesco is also world wide into places like china so there just as bad.

with or without wal-mart someone else would just do the same things under a different name
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dont know about wal-mart but here in the uk our dominant store is tesco and i think it has advantages for the consumer but is supposed to be giveing staff and farmers a bad deal, we also have wal-mart here in the form of ASDA but i dont shop there so cant comment but tesco is also world wide into places like china so there just as bad.
haha, I love tesco. Wal-mart is very helpful to the needy families and not as fortunate. Their prices are always lower. I don't think it would be a huge impact on society if they go out of buisness. McDonalds on the other hand.......
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As long as Wal Mart is running, so will McDonalds....most Wal Marts have a McDonalds attached to them!!



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haha, I love tesco. Wal-mart is very helpful to the needy families and not as fortunate. Their prices are always lower. I don't think it would be a huge impact on society if they go out of buisness. McDonalds on the other hand.......
Ah, McDonalds. Its ironic how they give all this money to help children worldwide and yet their food contributes to heart attacks, cancer, and hot-dog fingers. Just thinking about it makes my veins clog.
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What if there was no Walmart? Would the world be a better or worse place?
And what does this got to do with "Custom Creations"???
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Rent or buy a copy of the DVD, "Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price"

Walmart is the epitome of a visious corporation feeding off their exploited personnel and the communities in which they locate stores.

I have over 30 years in Corporate Management (Controller/Treasurer) and know of few of my peers who admire Walmart. Quite the contrary, they are a blight on the corporate community.
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And what does this got to do with "Custom Creations"???
I thought "What if" was the alternative to Off Topic. But if it's just for aviation imagination; then my bad. But think about it. I'm sure that most custom models have some of there parts coming from Walmart so I guess that this could still qualify as an appropriate topic. Truth be told I was just displaying this in a general sense.
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What if there was no Walmart? Would the world be a better or worse place?
Thanks to WalMart choosing to stay open for 24 hours during the month of December, the retailer I work for decided they too should be open 24 hours to compete with them ... thankfully only from Dec. 19th-24th. It created some really long/late/weird and exhausting work shifts. The only "good" part was a half decent paycheque.

I 100% disagree with any store needing to be open 24 hours any time of year! Give us f'ing retail employees a break, eh? Sheesh!

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I love the way some people talk about Wal-Mart. Some would have you believe that Wal-Mart forces it's employees to work for them. If the people at Wal-Mart can get better jobs then they should go and get them.

Problems with Wal-Mart being open 24 hours? I'm sure everyone on 3rd shift is very thankful that they are open 24 hours.
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I love the way some people talk about Wal-Mart. Some would have you believe that Wal-Mart forces it's employees to work for them. If the people at Wal-Mart can get better jobs then they should go and get them.

Problems with Wal-Mart being open 24 hours? I'm sure everyone on 3rd shift is very thankful that they are open 24 hours.
Oh, Walmart...what an evil coporation. Arctic, though the idea of finding other jobs sounds great, Walmart often makes it impossible. They enter a community and open with their low prices on foreign goods, and local stores can't compete. They then close, leaving Walmart to provide jobs, food, clothing, entertainment, and just about anything else. Walmart even teaches its employees how to file for medicare (caid?) because it pays them so low and is so anti-union. The wages they pay are disgraceful and their predatory pricing are shameful. The world would undoubtedly be a better, more diverse place without Walmart, and from that I shan't back down. There's a reason every time Walmart tries to set up shop in New York City mass protests stop it, and I thank heavens for that. I highly suggest you read Nickel and Dimed for some background info.
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So Wal-Mart goes into communities and offers lower prices than what local stores can offer and that makes them evil? No one is forced to work or shop at Wal-Mart. No one should be forced to pay higher prices for goods just to support someone's local business.

If someone cannot get a job that they would like better then they need to move. People move all the time for better jobs.

I don't go to Wal-Mart and buy everything there. There are certain goods that I would prefer spend more money on and get a higher quality product. However, when it comes to items like DVDs, they are always cheaper and I don't see a reason to go down to my local video store and pay them $5 more for the same product.
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Old 12-22-2008, 09:06 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Arctic,

We could go back and forth on the issue forever (and if you really want we can), but I highly suggest you watch the movie planecrazy suggested. I hadn't yet seen it, but I watched it last night. It actually does a good job with the topic (better than I ever could), and it might show you what I was talking about. Even for me, it was a real eye-opener.
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Old 12-22-2008, 10:56 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Wal-Mart wipes out all the small businesses in the community it's in!!
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Walmart Is The Epitome Of Taking Cutthroat Advantage From Employees To Competitors Of All Types.
Walmart Not Only Takes Advanage Of Low Wages, But Also Start Price Wars Until Their Competitors Shut Down. Then They Raise The Prices Highjer Than Their Competitors In The Area Were.
Walmart Is NOT The Be All End All When It Comes To Pricving.
The ONLY Thing Cheaper At All Times Are Cleaning Products & Confections.
EVERYTHING ELSE I STILL Shop Around.
If You're Smart You'll Find Better Deals At Other Places.
People Only Remember The Prices At Walmart When The Price War Was On, Not Realizing The Price Goes Back Up Soon As The Competitor Shuts Down, But Not Many Realize That.

Under Such Fierce Market Conditions The Only Thing You Can Do Is Adapt.
Our Company Did Just That.
Our Tiny Photolab Was In A Large Shopping Center & Did Quite Well.
However A Walmart Replaced The Eatons Dept Store Just Steps Away From Our Location.
Walmart Has A Photolab & They Wanted Us Out Badly.
Almost Immediately We Saw Our Roll Count Drop 97% & Another Add On Business Gained By Roll Count Dropped Also. Our Only Sensible Option Was To Move.
It Was The Right Thing To Do.
We Moved To A Small Plaza In The Area, But We Knew We Will Not Get Consumer Business, So Our Staff Went On The Road To Drum Up Professional Business. We Also Re-Equipped The Lab To Go Full Commercial / Industrial.
It Worked.
At The Shopping Center We Did $750,000.oo Revenue Annually.
By The Second Year In The New Location We Did Over $1.5 Million.
The Store Now Does Nearly $2m And Growing.
Our Material Costs Have Gone Down Too & Rent Went From $16,000 For 1200sqft
To $4,500 For 2800 sqft.
Thank You WALMART For Driving Our Business.
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WAL-MART is a destroyer. 1 phrase.
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L-1011's story just shows why Wal-Mart is needed - not just Wal-Mart but competition. L-1011's store identified a new need, brought it to the market, and is now doing very well.

We are in a world of trouble. Competition is what drives innovation.

You know what...Wal-Mart didn't just get billions of dollars that they didn't earn and will be back next month asking for billions more like some companies out there that can't compete.
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L-1011's story just shows why Wal-Mart is needed - not just Wal-Mart but competition. L-1011's store identified a new need, brought it to the market, and is now doing very well.

We are in a world of trouble. Competition is what drives innovation.

You know what...Wal-Mart didn't just get billions of dollars that they didn't earn and will be back next month asking for billions more like some companies out there that can't compete.
Competition does drive innovation, yes. Nonetheless, Heavy's story is all too rare. How does the family run hardware store compete with walmart? How does the town general store keep its doors open? How does the little toy shop "compete" against criminally low Chinese manufacturing wages? The simple answer is that they often cannot. Then the shops close, and voilà, only Walmart remains. Where'd the competition go?

What's more, Walmart received over $1b in state and county subsidies last year, not to mention the millions garnered by suggesting that their employees apply for WIC and Medicare because they know they don't pay high enough. They disregard rules and regulations of evironmental protection and now face lawsuits in several states, and they are also being sued for backed wages in 31 states. Doesn't seem like a fair competition anymore, does it?

It also treats employees like garbage: overtime doesn't exist, they often work unpaid hours, union leaders are spied upon and fired, and they are paid bare minimum wage. Yet none of this happens in Germany's already unionized Walmarts (the unions were present before Walmart acquired the German chain). How are some "associates" more members of the Walmart "family" than others?
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Old 12-23-2008, 05:42 PM   #19 (permalink)
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In Germany, Wal-Mart... failed. And got the feck out, with little desire to ever come back.

To quote wikipedia: In July 2006, Wal-Mart announced its withdrawal from Germany due to sustained losses in a highly competitive market. The stores were sold to the German company Metro during Wal-Mart's fiscal third quarter."

Wal-Mart was not able to adapt to the local business culture, and in addition, Germans were repelled by the chain´s business ethics. Good bye, and good riddance!
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Well, I can admit, we do go to Wal-Mart, but more so it is for small things, like school supplies, occasionally grocery shopping (hey we have a Publix supermarket in my area that is equaldistant from Two Wal-Mart Supercenters (less than 5 miles actually) and it is still running like it has been for years.)

Really, as had been said, Wal-Mart doesn't always have the lowest prices, the stuff they do have more decent prices on most of the time is usually on things like School supplies and cleaning products and the such. Most everywhere else it is either marginally cheaper to a tad more expensive than at other alternatives.

Now, what I am speaking from is from a Suburban perspective, where chains like the big supermarkets (Publix, Albertson's, Winn-Dixi, Aldi (new one here)), GameStop, Moviestop, tons of small Restaurants everywhere, even small specialty stores that some would think get wiped out from Wal-Mart are still operating around!

On the Other Hand, I understand what happens in the small towns. We usually go on vacation to Cabins in the Smokey Mountains. The Center of life there often tends to be the local Wal-Mart it would appear. There is even little evidence of the small businesses that you would imagine in a "Scale-Train model" town, most of the areas in the small town's Main Streets seem to be lacking in life, with many storefronts seemingly abandoned or with "FOR Sale" or "FOR LEASE" signs up. I think this has to do with less demand that can be distributed around in those areas, and the flood of Supply that Wal-Mart Supercenters bring to those areas.

Really, I believe there are two sides to the story. I think though if Wal-Mart was to suddenly collapse, we would then have someone else come in. It could be Target with their SuperCenters, or maybe even K-Mart would rise to being the size it used to be when it basically nearly collapsed under it's own weight years ago. In the end, the consumer decides what stays open and what doesn't. It may not be the most moral choice, but it is basically how most people tend to be.
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LOT, I couldn't agree with you more.

I don't know what side of Orlando you are on, but here in East Orlando (specifically the Waterford Lakes area) there are 2 Publix's, 1 Winn-Dixie, 2 Wal-Mart grocery stores, and a Super Target all within a 5 mile block of each other...and they're doing great! None of the stores have lost any or gained any...just seem to be having a steady business going. There's also some local and big name stores around here like Gamestop/Moviestop and some video game places I don't even know the names of. The big name stuff seems to be in the Waterford Lakes area while the small name stuff is usually found in the Avalon Park area - which is trying to be its own tight knit community as a whole...pretty soon its going to be Orlando, FL and Avalon Park, FL. - and all those businesses are doing fine.


The whole "Cabin in the Smokey Mountains" scenario is perfect too. Four years ago, my family and I rented a cabin outside of Asheville and Boone, North Carolina. In "town" was a walmart, nothing else, and it was probably the nicest Walmart I've been to. The employees were cheerful, happy, and wishing everyone "Merry Christmas" (which in Orlando you will hear "Feliz Navidad" or nothing at all.) and it was clean and in good condition. It seemed that the whole town of Asheville thrived on that local Walmart for their everyday needs.
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LOT, I couldn't agree with you more.

I don't know what side of Orlando you are on, but here in East Orlando (specifically the Waterford Lakes area) there are 2 Publix's, 1 Winn-Dixie, 2 Wal-Mart grocery stores, and a Super Target all within a 5 mile block of each other...and they're doing great! None of the stores have lost any or gained any...just seem to be having a steady business going. There's also some local and big name stores around here like Gamestop/Moviestop and some video game places I don't even know the names of. The big name stuff seems to be in the Waterford Lakes area while the small name stuff is usually found in the Avalon Park area - which is trying to be its own tight knit community as a whole...pretty soon its going to be Orlando, FL and Avalon Park, FL. - and all those businesses are doing fine.


The whole "Cabin in the Smokey Mountains" scenario is perfect too. Four years ago, my family and I rented a cabin outside of Asheville and Boone, North Carolina. In "town" was a walmart, nothing else, and it was probably the nicest Walmart I've been to. The employees were cheerful, happy, and wishing everyone "Merry Christmas" (which in Orlando you will hear "Feliz Navidad" or nothing at all.) and it was clean and in good condition. It seemed that the whole town of Asheville thrived on that local Walmart for their everyday needs.
I'm on the southwest side, near Sea World and the Ritz Carlton. Since we are so close to International Drive and Florida Mall, we get all sorts of shopping. We have the Big Box stuff at The Loop, FL Mall, and the Smaller stuff scattered all over. Unfortunately, for video game stuff, other than the 4 Game Stops (one in Hunters Creek, 3 in the FL Mall (within a mile, 2 in the mall itself!)), you have to drive a bit into Osceola County (on Boggy Creek) to get stuff, like NES games and so forth.

That is a good point you had there. The people in the rural area Wal-Mart were often very friendly, and it had a great feel to it. Though I suppose that has more to do with it being a small town, where people are more open with each other. Than in a more urbanized area, where people are more closed and suspicious of each other.
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This is a rough translation of an article published in this weeks "Canard Enchaîné", french independant weekly newspaper.

In 1962, Sam Walton opens a grocery in the depth of Alaska.
Today the grocery has grown into the biggest private business in the world, leaving far behind McDo, Nike, Coca-Cola, etc.
The turnover (378 billions $) is 7 times Microsoft's. With 2 millions employees, it is the world's largest job provider. It has 4000 stores in the USA and 3000 abroad. The recipe for success : the stores offer the lowest prices, about 15 % less than the competitors. How ? 1) By buying overseas, where salaries are the lowest, even if it means breaking up the country's industrial infrastructure, meaning that nowadays 80 % or products sold by Wal-Mart come from China. 2) By using the latest technology : computers to trace down clients & know instantly which till attendant is scanning what product, satellites to monitor the flow of containers moving around the world, etc. 3) By pressurizing the employees, sorry, the "associates" in everyway possible.
Massively temporary positions (which involves having a second job). Salaries squashed like the prices. Minimal social security cover. Unions not allowed. And flexibility at will. Employees must accept working a complete week-end or at least a day each week, accept to "forget" their 15 mns break, accept to "forget" to get paid extra hours, etc.
Under pressure, the "associates" often give up after a year or two, and Wal-mart has now the biggest job turnover in american economy.
Even if the recent crash has dented the profits, the giant grocery remains one of the most prosperous business in the world.

I forgot to say that this satirical newspaper was founded beginning of the 20th century and that it does not contain any ads/publicity whatsoever, which in itself is a garantee of independance.

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This is a rough translation of an article published in this weeks "Canard Enchaîné", french independant weekly newspaper.

In 1962, Sam Walton opens a grocery in the depth of Alaska.
Today the grocery has grown into the biggest private business in the world, leaving far behind McDo, Nike, Coca-Cola, etc.
The turnover (378 billions $) is 7 times Microsoft's. With 2 millions employees, it is the world's largest job provider. It has 4000 stores in the USA and 3000 abroad. The recipe for success : the stores offer the lowest prices, about 15 % less than the competitors. How ? 1) By buying overseas, where salaries are the lowest, even if it means breaking up the country's industrial infrastructure, meaning that nowadays 80 % or products sold by Wal-Mart come from China. 2) By using the latest technology : computers to trace down clients & know instantly which till attendant is scanning what product, satellites to monitor the flow of containers moving around the world, etc. 3) By pressurizing the employees, sorry, the "associates" in everyway possible.
Massively temporary positions (which involves having a second job). Salaries squashed like the prices. Minimal social security cover. Unions not allowed. And flexibility at will. Employees must accept working a complete week-end or at least a day each week, accept to "forget" their 15 mns break, accept to "forget" to get paid extra hours, etc.
Under pressure, the "associates" often give up after a year or two, and Wal-mart has now the biggest job turnover in american economy.
Even if the recent crash has dented the profits, the giant grocery remains one of the most prosperous business in the world.

I forgot to say that this satirical newspaper was founded beginning of the 20th century and that it does not contain any ads/publicity whatsoever, which in itself is a garantee of independance.
Auriez-vous un lien pour l'article original? Je voudrais bien le lire en français.
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I guess in the US and Canada the choices are so great that Walmart is another store to most people but if such a store were to open a chain where I am, it would become an instant hit. Everything under one roof at good prices. We do have stores on a similar albeit much smaller scale but a Walmart would be like an answered prayer.



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I guess in the US and Canada the choices are so great that Walmart is another store to most people but if such a store were to open a chain where I am, it would become an instant hit. Everything under one roof at good prices. We do have stores on a similar albeit much smaller scale but a Walmart would be like an answered prayer.
Can you imagine the chaos!! Every single person would want to be in there...Probably be like a scene at the airport where policemen try to get the masses away from congregating near the arrival doors, by using their batons to drive them off.



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There is only one Wal-Mart store near my house...about 10 miles away...and it is almost impossible to get into on any given day. I can only imagine what that place is like right now this close to Christmas. The other Wal-Marts that I talked about earlier are just the grocery store versions.
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Wal-Mart actually opened in Arkansas, not Alaska. And Sam Walton would be spinning in his grave to see what they've done to his stores. His business model was to provide communities with less expensive everyday goods, not open superstores and drive out small businesses. WalMart is the black mold of marketing...
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If you are so upset about Wal-Mart's practices then don't shop there. You can bring up valid points against Wal-Mart...my concern is that they contribute so much to our trade deficit in the United States. However, consumers continue to demand lower priced items regardless of where they come from.

I hope no one really believes that people care about small businesses that fail to compete. Yeah, sure it is very easy to type on the forums that you do but you need to use your wallet to really prove it.

Yet, with all of our recent changes...I guess we continue to eliminate the need to compete. We'll just bail out the failures and then wonder why our national debt is so high.

Now, I may not know everyone very well but my guess is that no one would care if a company produced a model with very little detail at a very high price but proudly said, "We pay our employees a fortune and it was made in the USA!"
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Competition does drive innovation, yes. Nonetheless, Heavy's story is all too rare. How does the family run hardware store compete with walmart? How does the town general store keep its doors open? How does the little toy shop "compete" against criminally low Chinese manufacturing wages? The simple answer is that they often cannot. Then the shops close, and voilà, only Walmart remains. Where'd the competition go?

What's more, Walmart received over $1b in state and county subsidies last year, not to mention the millions garnered by suggesting that their employees apply for WIC and Medicare because they know they don't pay high enough. They disregard rules and regulations of evironmental protection and now face lawsuits in several states, and they are also being sued for backed wages in 31 states. Doesn't seem like a fair competition anymore, does it?

It also treats employees like garbage: overtime doesn't exist, they often work unpaid hours, union leaders are spied upon and fired, and they are paid bare minimum wage. Yet none of this happens in Germany's already unionized Walmarts (the unions were present before Walmart acquired the German chain). How are some "associates" more members of the Walmart "family" than others?
Well We Can Batch & Complain About Walmart & It's Business Ethics. We Can Barch & Complain About The Bail Out Of The Auto Industry.
Fact Is WE Allow It To Happen.
Until We Have The Strength To Not Shop There & Take The Bastards To Court For Unethical Worker Treatment Or Force Walmart To Operate Under Strict Union Rules, We Can't Say Diddly Squat.
Do I Think Walmart Is Unethical? Sure, Do I Shop There? Sure. Bottom Line As A Voter I Have The Choice Of The Lesser Of 2 Evils. It Seems Shoppers Across North America Have Made Their Choice & Picked Their Poison.

My Story May Be All Too Rare, But Mabe That's Because Most Companies Are So Stuck In Their Ways, They're AFRAID To Adapt.
Let's Take A Look At That Local Hardware Store For Instance. Could They NOT Adapt To SPECIALIZE?
For Instance. Interior Design & Small Renovation Projects. Host Workshops For Do It Yourselfers. Sell Lighting & Home Decor. Carry Medium & High End Products. Step Away From The Nickel & Dimers Who Just Want A Few Screws & Hooks For The Wall. Walmart Can't Compete With That. Try Asking A Question About Any Product. "The Underwear Is Over There Sir!"
Bottom Line Is The Days For The Small Outlet That Expects Customers To Walk In The Door & Pick Up A Few Things Are Gone.
The Small Outlet Can Go Big Too. Open A Home Hardware Or A Lansing. How About A Homeshow Box Store? There Are Many Options.

Here's What It Looked Like For Us:

1) Stay In The Same Shopping Centre & Pay More Rent In A Poor Area Whilst Wal Mart Still Pummels Our Sales.
2) Close Down The Shop For Good And 10 People Need To Find New Carreers.
3) Since We Already Developed A Small Professional Clientelle, We Already Had Experience. We Knew The Industry. We Knew What Kind Of Machinery We Needed. We Knew Where To Get The Machinery & How To Best Get It For The Best Prices. We Knew Where We Lacked In Experience & How To Get Training.
It Was A No Brainer. But It Wasn't Easy & It Was Very Risky Because We Weren't Sure We Could Get Enough Clientelle & We Had To Compete With The Best Out There That Were Long Established.
Our Hard Work, Perseverence, Professionalism & Sheer Quality Won Them Over.
Any Company Can Adapt With These 2 Examples. There Needs To Be A Will To Find A Way.
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I haven't shopped at Wallyworld in 15 years at least. I hate the crowds, I detest their cutthroat business ethics and the way they manipulate city councils to allow them to build in areas that the residents strongly oppose (it happened here...twice). I shop at Tarzhay now (aka Target). Lesser of two evils IMO.
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I haven't shopped at Wallyworld in 15 years at least. I hate the crowds, I detest their cutthroat business ethics and the way they manipulate city councils to allow them to build in areas that the residents strongly oppose (it happened here...twice). I shop at Tarzhay now (aka Target). Lesser of two evils IMO.
If the residents truly opposed Wal-Mart then they would close their doors shortly after opening them.
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If the residents truly opposed Wal-Mart then they would close their doors shortly after opening them.
The residents who live in the neighborhood of the WalMart boycott the store. It's the people who live out of the neighborhood who come to it, and provide just the noise, traffic and trash the residents feared would happen.
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If you are so upset about Wal-Mart's practices then don't shop there. You can bring up valid points against Wal-Mart...my concern is that they contribute so much to our trade deficit in the United States. However, consumers continue to demand lower priced items regardless of where they come from.

I hope no one really believes that people care about small businesses that fail to compete. Yeah, sure it is very easy to type on the forums that you do but you need to use your wallet to really prove it.

Yet, with all of our recent changes...I guess we continue to eliminate the need to compete. We'll just bail out the failures and then wonder why our national debt is so high.

Now, I may not know everyone very well but my guess is that no one would care if a company produced a model with very little detail at a very high price but proudly said, "We pay our employees a fortune and it was made in the USA!"
1. I don't shop at Walmart. I have never spent a dime there, and I'm proud of that. I do care enough about those small businesses, and I help them out every shot I get.

2. Your model analogy falls flat: why assume they're of poor quality? Would I be willing to buy models of comparable quality for higher cost because they're American-made? You bet.

L-1011, the adaptation is not as clear-cut as it was for your photo company. You yourself note that it now relies heavily on larger, corporate projects, and yet you expect small hardware stores to do the same, or to specialize. Specialization requires a large hike in prices for a store like that (training + focused merchandise + marketing) and a market willing to buy such products. It's hard to guarantee either of these, mind you both.
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Paying more for a comparable product just because it is American will not help. The world is becoming smaller every year and all companies are constantly seeking new revenue sources outside of their home territory. You need to find a way to compete in your current market or find one that you can be successful in.
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Fact Is WE Allow It To Happen.
Until We Have The Strength To Not Shop There...
Like I posted before, we did it. I can recall that about a year before they sold their shops and got the hell out of my country, it was absolutely socially unacceptable to shop at Wal-Mart, due to Wal-Mart´s business ethics and the way they abused their employees.

Raised eyebrows was the least you got when you told your peers you shopped at Wal-Mart. Usually, it was a lecture about why you shouldn´t shop there until Wal-Mart changes ethically for good.

I went there once or twice, and since I prefer spending my Euro at a smaller shop or, prefferably, a farmers´ co-op where I can chat with the salesperson, get some advice on recipes, the weather or the pets, Wal-Mart wasn´t for me.

Seems I wasn´t the only one. Wal-Mart can be beat. The only thing necessary is to get rid of the consumer´s complacency.

arctic, I do pay a bit more for model trains made in the EU, and from next year onward (my first hobby-related resolution for 2009), I will buy no more model engines made in China. The reasons are: work ethics, and no spare parts available. So yes, some of us put our money where our mouth is.

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1. I don't shop at Walmart. I have never spent a dime there, and I'm proud of that. I do care enough about those small businesses, and I help them out every shot I get.

2. Your model analogy falls flat: why assume they're of poor quality? Would I be willing to buy models of comparable quality for higher cost because they're American-made? You bet.

L-1011, the adaptation is not as clear-cut as it was for your photo company. You yourself note that it now relies heavily on larger, corporate projects, and yet you expect small hardware stores to do the same, or to specialize. Specialization requires a large hike in prices for a store like that (training + focused merchandise + marketing) and a market willing to buy such products. It's hard to guarantee either of these, mind you both.
Actually We Had Few Corporate Projects.
The Bulk Of Our Business Came From The Freelance Photographer, The Local Photo Studio & The Big Wedding Photographer Studios.
But We Still Didn't Turn Down Street Business Or The Novice Weekend Warrior Who Only Brought A Few Bucks A Week.
The Hardware Store Does Not Need To Be THAT Expensive.
They Can Also Carry The Small Items As They Always Have As Add On Sales Or Package It Together In One Complete Renovation Price.
Remember People Want Their Homes To Look Like House & Garden, Not The Trailer Park.
Like Us, The Hardware People Already Have Some Experience & Like Us Can Spend Small Amounts Of Money For Additional Training.
We Had The Additional Risk Of Having To Spend 650,000 On Additional Machinery To Add To The Existing Ones We Had.
Our First Year Was Very Rough, Business Was Abysmal Despite Our Aggressive
Sales Team. But That's The Risk You Take. No Road In Business Is Easy.
Lookit Home Depot Can Thrive Next To Walmart ANYTIME.
I Said It Before & I'll Say It Again. The Days Of The Mama Pop Store Waiting For Customers To Walk In And Pick Up 20 Bucks Worth Of Stuff Is Over. And That's WITHOUT Walmart As Your Competitor.
Today's Successful Business Does Not Wait For The Sun To Shine. They Make The Sunshine Happen Because It Rains All Too Often.
And I'll Bet Of A No Frills Or Food Basics Were Next To Walmart, The Grocery Store Will Win Everytime Because Guess What? Walmart Is More Expensive.
A Walmart Superstore Opened Up Last Year Right In Between A No Frills Plaza, But The No Frills Is Still Doing Well. In That Plaza New (Small) Businesses Are Thriving RIGHT IN Front Of That Very Same Walmart.
EB Games. Well Heaven Forbid. Walmart Sells Video Games Too, But They Don't Specialize. Marks Work Wear House. Hell I Can Buy The Same Brand Name Of Workboots At Walmart.
I Can Go On And On But I Think You Can Get The Point.
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Like I posted before, we did it. I can recall that about a year before they sold their shops and got the hell out of my country, it was absolutely socially unacceptable to shop at Wal-Mart, due to Wal-Mart´s business ethics and the way they abused their employees.

Raised eyebrows was the least you got when you told your peers you shopped at Wal-Mart. Usually, it was a lecture about why you shouldn´t shop there until Wal-Mart changes ethically for good.

I went there once or twice, and since I prefer spending my Euro at a smaller shop or, prefferably, a farmers´ co-op where I can chat with the salesperson, get some advice on recipes, the weather or the pets, Wal-Mart wasn´t for me.

Seems I wasn´t the only one. Wal-Mart can be beat. The only thing necessary is to get rid of the consumer´s complacency.
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never ever!

No, all I tried to say is that - like with diecast models on a smaller scale - consumers have power. Tremendous power, only, most are unaware of that fact.

If consumers started to demand better business ethics OR ELSE, then Wal-Mart would be forced to reconsider what they are doing, or lose a massive amount of $$$ because the consumerate wouldn´t take it any more. As long as people merely talk about it, but do nothing, Wal-Mart won´t change a bit.

Our farmers´ co-ops sell potatoes, groceries, fruits fresh from their farms. No additives, they were grown in an ecologically sound environment. Guess what: they taste better than the supermarket stuff, they´re cheaper, and if you don´t trust the food, the respective farmer will show you exactly where the stuff was grown and harvested. No supermarket can ever offer that. You get the honey cheaper if you help out extracting it (which is fun). They teach you how to make your own, additive and preservative free jam from their fruits. And, like I said, a visit to a supermarket costs more.

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never ever!

No, all I tried to say is that - like with diecast models on a smaller scale - consumers have power. Tremendous power, only, most are unaware of that fact.

If consumers started to demand better business ethics OR ELSE, then Wal-Mart would be forced to reconsider what they are doing, or lose a massive amount of $$$ because the consumerate wouldn´t take it any more. As long as people merely talk about it, but do nothing, Wal-Mart won´t change a bit.

Our farmers´ co-ops sell potatoes, groceries, fruits fresh from their farms. No additives, they were grown in an ecologically sound environment. Guess what: they taste better than the supermarket stuff, they´re cheaper, and if you don´t trust the food, the respective farmer will show you exactly where the stuff was grown and harvested. No supermarket can ever offer that. You get the honey cheaper if you help out extracting it (which is fun). They teach you how to make your own, additive and preservative free jam from their fruits. And, like I said, a visit to a supermarket costs more.
I Agree 100% We Need Farms For Not Only Superior Product, But Also To Maintain The Heritage.
I Don't Go To Farms (Although I Can) But The Best Produce At The Supermarket Does Come From Local Farms, Particularly Rouge Valley Peaches n Cream Corn. It Does Make A Difference.
There's Also A Place Not Far You Can Pick Your Own Strawberries Very Cheaply.
Farmers Often Sell Thier Product On The Side Of The Road Too.
I Stopped Buying Cheese At The Supermarket Years Ago Too. The Stuff Is Like Rubber & Tasteless.
Kensington Market Has Fabulous Cheese From The World Over & Prices Are Almost Half The Supermarket.
My Faves Are Medium Manchego, Sweet, Salty, Crumbly But Firm Enough To Slice & A Little Stinky.Goes GREAT With Lager.
Second Is Smoked Gouda. Also Great With Any Beer.
I Also Like Smoked Jarlsberg, Tilsit & Hunters Cheese From Poland.
Of Course This Is Also Where I Get My Mozzarella & Parmesan.
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He he you're a cheese nut like me. I love the smoked Jarlsberg too, as well as smoked Bavarian, Danish Havarti, Swiss Edam, English Cheddar, French Boursin and of course an old favourite 'Philadelphia' especially the smoked salmon flavour. A big weakness with me.



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He he you're a cheese nut like me. I love the smoked Jarlsberg too, as well as smoked Bavarian, Danish Havarti, Swiss Edam, English Cheddar, French Boursin and of course an old favourite 'Philadelphia' especially the smoked salmon flavour. A big weakness with me.
Try A Good Brie Baked With A Glaze Of Honey, Crisped Red Onions & Pecans On The Top. To Die For. Great For Breakfast Or An Afternoon Snack With Fresh Home Brewed Coffee.
I Also Love A Good Sweet, Nutty Emmenthaler. I Could Eat A Whole Block.
Another Fave Is Philly, But I Use It Mostly As A Layer In Lasagna. A Small Taste Of Heaven.
Cream Cheeses Are Dirt Cheap At Global Cheeses And They ALWAYS Have Salmon Or Garlic Flavoured Ready To Buy At The Cashier For Just A Couple Of Bucks.
A Personal Fave Of Mine However Is Herb & Garlic Cream Cheese At Tim Hortons. Served On A Double Toasted Cinnamon Raisin Bagel. I Call It The Mud Puddle, But It's An Awesome Breakfast Or Afternoon Snack.
I Also Like Asiago On Salads.

Not 10 Minutes Ago I Sliced Some Leftover Ham (With Cloves) And Some Smoked Gouda. Klostenbrot & Stinky Dijon Made An Awsome Sammich. I'm Having My Second Beck's Now Too.
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EB Games. Well Heaven Forbid. Walmart Sells Video Games Too, But They Don't Specialize.
Gamestop bought out EB Games. That is actually why there is/was 2 Gamestops in the Florida Mall. Of course, it is also seen somewhat like a Wal-Mart of the Video Game world, they're not all that much of "specialized" themselves. Since they only carry modern stuff (PS3/PS2/XBox360/GameCube/Wii/Very limited amounts of PC), if I want to find stuff for my N64, or some PS1 stuff (like a memory card for the PS1 games, or the PS1 Games themselves), I'll have to find a small Shop somewhere out there to do so. Wal-Mart Can't Destroy it (because they only carry new crap), and Gamestop would rather not (since they do have like 43782890740 used copies of GTA III that they're trying to sell for $3.99, but still can't offload.

Anyways, I think the point is that if you live in a heavily populated area, you shouldn't worry too much about the Wal-Mart Destroying the local economy. So much Demand is spread out. On the other hand, Rural areas might take a worse hit from it, not too much demand is around, and the offerings are usually harder for an average person to just simply give up.

I also read an someone saying that Wal-Mart chases out Mom-and-Pop Hardware stores. I'd have to say, there are not that many useful tools you'd find at a hardware store at Wal-Mart. Usually those places usually blame their demise on the likes of Lowe's, Home Depot and the like. Though often, I hear that they're still alive because people prefer the more personal service you'd get at such places, especially since the guy lives and breathes hardware.

Of course, if a sudden collapse of Wal-Mart would come, it does bring up another ethics question. The sudden surge of unemployment. Granted, a good amount of those people will find work in whatever takes Wal-Mart's place. I also have a feeling though, who does take Wal-Mart's place will turn into the next "Wal-Mart", since whoever is responsible for voting in the people in charge will vote out the more ethical people in charge in exchange for bean counters who see people more or less as resources than a reason why they may be successful (both work, just one view will piss off many, while the other costs the company more, but is more ethical, but doesn't cause the company to explode rapidly into markets). Every age might as well have it's "Wal-Marts", a good example is the East India Company that was formed between 1600 and the 1870s. Only differences is that Wal-Mart won't use Military force on the potential markets, and also they don't have a monopoly.
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Gamestop bought out EB Games. That is actually why there is/was 2 Gamestops in the Florida Mall. Of course, it is also seen somewhat like a Wal-Mart of the Video Game world, they're not all that much of "specialized" themselves. Since they only carry modern stuff (PS3/PS2/XBox360/GameCube/Wii/Very limited amounts of PC), if I want to find stuff for my N64, or some PS1 stuff (like a memory card for the PS1 games, or the PS1 Games themselves), I'll have to find a small Shop somewhere out there to do so. Wal-Mart Can't Destroy it (because they only carry new crap), and Gamestop would rather not (since they do have like 43782890740 used copies of GTA III that they're trying to sell for $3.99, but still can't offload.

Anyways, I think the point is that if you live in a heavily populated area, you shouldn't worry too much about the Wal-Mart Destroying the local economy. So much Demand is spread out. On the other hand, Rural areas might take a worse hit from it, not too much demand is around, and the offerings are usually harder for an average person to just simply give up.

I also read an someone saying that Wal-Mart chases out Mom-and-Pop Hardware stores. I'd have to say, there are not that many useful tools you'd find at a hardware store at Wal-Mart. Usually those places usually blame their demise on the likes of Lowe's, Home Depot and the like. Though often, I hear that they're still alive because people prefer the more personal service you'd get at such places, especially since the guy lives and breathes hardware.

Of course, if a sudden collapse of Wal-Mart would come, it does bring up another ethics question. The sudden surge of unemployment. Granted, a good amount of those people will find work in whatever takes Wal-Mart's place. I also have a feeling though, who does take Wal-Mart's place will turn into the next "Wal-Mart", since whoever is responsible for voting in the people in charge will vote out the more ethical people in charge in exchange for bean counters who see people more or less as resources than a reason why they may be successful (both work, just one view will piss off many, while the other costs the company more, but is more ethical, but doesn't cause the company to explode rapidly into markets). Every age might as well have it's "Wal-Marts", a good example is the East India Company that was formed between 1600 and the 1870s. Only differences is that Wal-Mart won't use Military force on the potential markets, and also they don't have a monopoly.
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