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I don't get why people slate the A380 so much. It's a lovely plane to fly on, quiet and comfy, plenty of toilets, overhead locker space. I get the whole 4 v 2 engines debate, but the A380 serves a purpose and that wing shape is a joy to behold when it flies over you. The diversity or airliners should be celebrated.
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I don't get why people slate the A380 so much. It's a lovely plane to fly on, quiet and comfy, plenty of toilets, overhead locker space. I get the whole 4 v 2 engines debate, but the A380 serves a purpose and that wing shape is a joy to behold when it flies over you. The diversity or airliners should be celebrated.
I agree with your post. An excellent and pleasant airframe when flying 13 hours! I had nothing but praise when I flew on a EKA380 from YYZ to DBX with my wife and infant daughter about 7 years ago. The crew were very attentive and just spoiled my daughter with Emirates toys and goodies! We still have this haul from them The inflight entertainment system was top of the line, and the food was tasty and delicious.

Also, I was free to get up and walk to the kitchen galley and grab any snacks/refreshments anytime I felt the need to stuff my mouth. I really liked the self service. The cabin has a very open, calm and non-claustrophic feel to it and probably was a factor that my daughter didn't bawl/scream during the whole flight! The econo seats were very comfortable and I had no problem getting some shut-eye while my wife attended to our infant.

I would jump on any opportunity to fly the A380 in the future, but in about 2 weeks myself and the family (wifey and 2 kids) will fly on my first B787-9 dreamliner for a 14 hour flight. Should be interesting how the B787-9 will stack up to the A380 and B747-8 (family flew on this 2 years ago from JFK to Beijing with Air China) from my perspective.

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I agree
Its in a class of its own and should keep flying for sometime yet - whether she gets a reboot and upgrade would make a lot of sense
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From some angle the A380 looks awesome:





I agree that the huge wing profile slung with the large engines makes for a good look.
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I also like that plane, but a little more extra length would add some more grace to the fuselage and the plane as a whole.

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I also like that plane, but a little more extra length would add some more grace to the fuselage and the plane as a whole.

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I agree with you.An A380 with a longer fuselage would look better than the
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PS Although sales of the A380 are very slow at present,I think that within
the next 10 years there will be a new demand for an aircraft the size of
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I agree with you.An A380 with a longer fuselage would look better than the
current version.

PS Although sales of the A380 are very slow at present,I think that within
the next 10 years there will be a new demand for an aircraft the size of
the A380

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-flagship-a380

Airbus seems to work on a new EK 380 order currently.

https://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/s.../ne2117-171102

And SIA wouldn't invest 850 (!) $ into a new interior of the 380 if they wouldn't see a future in the plane.

Btw: ANA will fly the 380 on the Hawaii route.

JAL just ordered the A350-1000 - will that be the replacement for the 77W? They also ordered the -900.... maybe they're going to replace the 747 with the A380.
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Think of the freighter potential if the programe does dry up. There is a lot of capacity in one of those.
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Amedeo - An Irish leasing company has some on order and no idea what to do with them.
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It may be a good plane for the passengers, but expensive to operate for the airlines. If they can't fill it all the time, they are losing money. That is why it only works for certain airlines on certain routes.
Singapore has already returned one that the lease has ended on, and it is parked in France waiting/hoping for a new operator. If no one takes it, it will probably be broken up for parts.
No, I don't see it disappearing from the skies any time soon, but I also don't think there will be a lot more orders for it either.
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Air France just announced they are returning 5 of their 10 A380s to the lessors at the end of 2019. Stick a fork in it., this program is done.
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Air France just announced they are returning 5 of their 10 A380s to the lessors at the end of 2019. Stick a fork in it., this program is done.

But did a damn sight better than the Boeing 747-800
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Never understood why people are so happy to see a plane project fail. The A380 is a magnificent sight to see in the air, amazing to stand underneath one as it comes into land, and really comfortable to fly on. The way things are going the spotting world is going to be a generic two holer waste ground.
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Never understood why people are so happy to see a plane project fail. The A380 is a magnificent sight to see in the air, amazing to stand underneath one as it comes into land, and really comfortable to fly on. The way things are going the spotting world is going to be a generic two holer waste ground.
I agree about the way things are going. That's why I like watching Cargo Spotter on YouTube. He posts some excellent footage of our beloved multi-engined heavies in 4k.
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I don't get why people slate the A380 so much. It's a lovely plane to fly on, quiet and comfy, plenty of toilets, overhead locker space.
The most important thing you forgot to mention about the A380, heaven forbid you forgot to take that very important last minute shower at your hotel (because you were running late) before you left for the airport and take that 17 hour flight back home but don't worry you can always shower on board as long as you paid for that ridiculous first class ticket first...

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First off, despite 26 years in the airline industry, unlike some of my friends and family I’ve never flown on the A380, though one day I hope to.

I admire the A380, and Boeing with their 747, I admire them both for having the guts and determination to bring the types to fruition, they’re both very fine pieces of engineering for sure. IMO Airbus’ only mistake was to build the A380 ten years too early. The much vaunted point to point regime which is very much in ascendancy at this time, (no pun intended) depends on a continuing and plentiful supply of slots at the worlds major airports. But the supply of slots and tarmac are finite, or at the very least will become very limited and even more expensive than they are today. That will probably have a detrimental impact on future air fares, but let’s not go there, that topic qualifies for a thread all its own.

So ten or so years down the line, step in the very large capacity aircraft such as the A380 or similar designs. As airports become ever more congested, and they will, the airlines that can move the most passengers in bigger aircraft making the best use of dwindling slot supplies, will IMO be the winners in the long run. I think it’s disappointing that Air France is cutting its A380 to the extent that it is, they could regret that further down the line, but then you can’t have aircraft sitting around doing nothing, so maybe for AF it’s their only viable course of action at this point in time. The A380 was never going to be a ‘one long haul, large capacity size fits all’ airliner, it was never designed to be so. Emirates decided however, that the A380 would definatly fit them, and it has.

Where does the A380 go from here? IMO, at the present time and under the present circumstances I think that the future for it is probably not that bright. Having said that, thankfully I don’t think it will disappear from our skies anytime soon, the Emirates operation will see to that. Quite how many buyers for second hand A380s there are out there, I don’t know, but I don’t think we’re going to see any new liveries on them anytime soon. Neither do I expect existing operators of the A380 to expand their fleets (Emirates excluded) although I did hear or read that BA could be interested in acquiring ex Singapore Airlines examples, we’ll see I guess.

Well that’s my take on the situation, just the opinions of an ex long serving airline employee. If you disagree with my point of view, be nice about it, I’m never too proud to learn

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Never understood why people are so happy to see a plane project fail. The A380 is a magnificent sight to see in the air, amazing to stand underneath one as it comes into land, and really comfortable to fly on. The way things are going the spotting world is going to be a generic two holer waste ground.



I agree.


I do think there is a use for the A380.
Cape Town International is starting a Runway Re-alignment project to construct a new runway which will be useable by the A380. The current airport infrastructure is not suitable.


British Airways is waiting for this to be done for them to replace their very old 747-400s with A380s. There are a lot of BA and Emirates flights comming into CTIA on a daily basis. The carriers are just waiting for the airports to catch up.


Would have loved to see an A380 is SAA livery, but that has been run into the ground during the last 20-odd years. It is technically bankrupt and if it wasn't for government tax-money bailouts SAA would have disappeared long ago. Sad situation.
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Question. Why haven't the airlines embraced the 748i as a natural replacement for the aging -400s? Doesn't it have much of the same technology as the Dreamliner? (Wings, engines, etc.) Advancements to make her much more efficient? It's longer than the 380, doesn't need special accommodations as the Airbus, and I would assume it's less expensive in the long run. What do you all think?
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Question. Why haven't the airlines embraced the 748i as a natural replacement for the aging -400s? Doesn't it have much of the same technology as the Dreamliner? (Wings, engines, etc.) Advancements to make her much more efficient? It's longer than the 380, doesn't need special accommodations as the Airbus, and I would assume it's less expensive in the long run. What do you all think?
I am leaning towards the $$ bottom line for Airlines. The biggest obstacle is filling all those seats on the B747-8 to make it worthwhile to operate. I think when Boeing made a major announcement on how much more fuel efficient the engines are compared to the B744; 90% of the major airlines say thanks, but no thanks. They looked at their routes and were just probably breaking even with their twin long haul planes. Thus, a 748i would not be an attractive air-frame to deploy for most of the major airlines. Heck, not 1 single North American major airline picked one up.
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From some angle the A380 looks awesome:


It does look magnificent from that angle. Up close at the threshold,...it is a bit of awe moment.

It also helps for those of us with tired eyes when looking up at passing birds high in the sky. My vison would have to deteriorate a lot more not to identify the big beast.
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The point to point vs hub to hub theorys of aviation have still a ways to go. I thought it was done and dusted 5 years ago,...clearly not so much now. Emirates does more for the standing of the aircraft than anyone and clearly they forcing the hub to hub service to continue to work and be economical.

Regardless,....no one can argue the granduer of the aircraft. One of those types that make the heart soar.
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I also think there is still a need for the hubs, but the new breed of twin engine planes will see a continued increase in point to point routes. The hubs won't disappear, too many smaller cities need access to the larger cities that no airline will offer on a point to point flight.
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I am leaning towards the $$ bottom line for Airlines. The biggest obstacle is filling all those seats on the B747-8 to make it worthwhile to operate. I think when Boeing made a major announcement on how much more fuel efficient the engines are compared to the B744; 90% of the major airlines say thanks, but no thanks. They looked at their routes and were just probably breaking even with their twin long haul planes. Thus, a 748i would not be an attractive air-frame to deploy for most of the major airlines. Heck, not 1 single North American major airline picked one up.
Thank you for the great explanation. Strange though, that no North American major airline ordered her. I guess the twins are reaching farther distances than before which can be a reason. I just assumed the 748i was out the door less expensive to operate than the 380. Plus, there would need to be a learning curve to pilot an Airbus vs a Boeing for those airlines that traditionally have used Boeing products.
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Based on a recent Qantas article of them canning their A380 orders, the A380 program is in serious jeopardy. I hope Airbus can keep their A380 afloat for another 2 decades or more. I would like to fly on another one in the future. T7
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First off, despite 26 years in the airline industry, unlike some of my friends and family I’ve never flown on the A380, though one day I hope to.

I admire the A380, and Boeing with their 747, I admire them both for having the guts and determination to bring the types to fruition, they’re both very fine pieces of engineering for sure. IMO Airbus’ only mistake was to build the A380 ten years too early. The much vaunted point to point regime which is very much in ascendancy at this time, (no pun intended) depends on a continuing and plentiful supply of slots at the worlds major airports. But the supply of slots and tarmac are finite, or at the very least will become very limited and even more expensive than they are today. That will probably have a detrimental impact on future air fares, but let’s not go there, that topic qualifies for a thread all its own.

So ten or so years down the line, step in the very large capacity aircraft such as the A380 or similar designs. As airports become ever more congested, and they will, the airlines that can move the most passengers in bigger aircraft making the best use of dwindling slot supplies, will IMO be the winners in the long run. I think it’s disappointing that Air France is cutting its A380 to the extent that it is, they could regret that further down the line, but then you can’t have aircraft sitting around doing nothing, so maybe for AF it’s their only viable course of action at this point in time. The A380 was never going to be a ‘one long haul, large capacity size fits all’ airliner, it was never designed to be so. Emirates decided however, that the A380 would definatly fit them, and it has.

Where does the A380 go from here? IMO, at the present time and under the present circumstances I think that the future for it is probably not that bright. Having said that, thankfully I don’t think it will disappear from our skies anytime soon, the Emirates operation will see to that. Quite how many buyers for second hand A380s there are out there, I don’t know, but I don’t think we’re going to see any new liveries on them anytime soon. Neither do I expect existing operators of the A380 to expand their fleets (Emirates excluded) although I did hear or read that BA could be interested in acquiring ex Singapore Airlines examples, we’ll see I guess.

Well that’s my take on the situation, just the opinions of an ex long serving airline employee. If you disagree with my point of view, be nice about it, I’m never too proud to learn

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You need to question why so many A380's are operated into and out of Heathrow and other congested airports with lack of slot availability. There will have to be demand for the A380 and it's future replacement.
It's economics. Get the maximum amount of pax on 1x flight is way cheaper than those pax spread over 2x flights even if the 787 et al are cheaper per passenger seat mile.
It's Politics that the UK Government can continue to stall Runway 3 as it has a vested interest in Airbus selling product ie A380.
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Boeing stock hit over $400 a share this week. Boeing won.
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Boeing stock hit over $400 a share this week. Boeing won.
.....can we see a resurgence of the 747-8i ???
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