What Exactly is a diecast? - DA.C
 

Go Back   DA.C > Clearance Delivery > Site Issues and Support Section

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old 03-11-2010, 03:02 PM   #1
Junior Collector
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Bradford, PA
Age: 54
Posts: 42
Smile What Exactly is a diecast?

I have a question that maybe others have wondered as well. What exactly defines a diecast airliner as a diecast? Does it have to be all metal? Does it have to be gear down? Does it have to be 1 piece out of the box, not including the stand? The reason I ask, is I am going to break my list of built planes for sale down into actual built plastic KITS, and then display models, but I'm having problems differentiating which of those are diecast, which I already have a list for.

I already assumed the 1:72 AMT/ ERTL, 1:144 Corgis, 1:200 Phoenix Models, Model Power (mixed scales), and 1:400 and 1:500 birds were all die cast, due to their high concentration of METAL, but I never really assumed the Hogans and StarJets to be, because they were lightweight for their size and had plastic wings, etc. The thing is, the StarJets DO come fully assembled, but once you do assemble the Hogan Wings, they do quite resemble the StarJets. I'm on the fence with the 1:200 Herpa Wings. Obviously, the push-fit Wooster/ Flight Miniature/ SkyMarks types are "Display Models", but how should I label the 1:200 Hogans, Starjets, and Herpas, or should I just call them all "Collectibles" and list them by scale?

Your feedback would be appreciated ASAP.

Thanks!

Tom :>)
__________________
Get to know me at....

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

and

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Allegheny580 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 03-11-2010, 07:55 PM   #2
aka "Mac•Nut•One"
 
MarinerOne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: SAN
Age: 51
Posts: 3,939
Default Re: What Exactly is a diecast?

Well, I can't answer that but here's the full-on Wikipedia version ... I think it does a pretty good job!

CLICK HERE FOR DIECAST INFLAMMATION
MarinerOne is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2010, 10:09 PM   #3
Junior Collector
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Bradford, PA
Age: 54
Posts: 42
Default Re: What Exactly is a diecast?

I actually saw that same page the other day, but apart from the photo of the 1:400 747, it seemed to focus on the cars. The scales listed only got as small as 1:87. I'm still in the dark about what to call Herpas, Hogans, and StarJets. I suppose they are diecast, but if that Wiki article is correct, and anything injection molded plastic can be considered, even the Woosters and old PPC birds could be called "diecast", which probably makes serious collectors shudder! I'm beginning to lean toward calling them ALL "collectibles" and dividing by scale.

Tom :>)
__________________
Get to know me at....

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

and

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Allegheny580 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Old 03-11-2010, 10:48 PM   #4
Junior Collector
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 18
Default Re: What Exactly is a diecast?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Allegheny580 View Post
I actually saw that same page the other day, but apart from the photo of the 1:400 747, it seemed to focus on the cars. The scales listed only got as small as 1:87. I'm still in the dark about what to call Herpas, Hogans, and StarJets. I suppose they are diecast, but if that Wiki article is correct, and anything injection molded plastic can be considered, even the Woosters and old PPC birds could be called "diecast", which probably makes serious collectors shudder! I'm beginning to lean toward calling them ALL "collectibles" and dividing by scale.

Tom :>)
Actually, a 1:87 scale would be larger than a 1:400 scale.
damiross is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 12:03 AM   #5
Senior Collector
 
Pendulum19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Age: 37
Posts: 428
Send a message via Yahoo to Pendulum19
Default Re: What Exactly is a diecast?

All are collectibles. Die-casts are collectibles. Plastics are collectibles. Paper is a collectible.

Die-cast collectibles should go through the diecasting process to be truly called a die-cast. If wooster does that process, well then they are die-cast.

Below may be unnecessary, but I just thought I'd throw in a few inputs:

What exactly defines a diecast airliner as a diecast?
1.) Does it have to be all metal? -
Not necessarily.
2.) Does it have to be gear down? -
Not at all! I have diecast planes without gears.
3.) Does it have to be 1 piece out of the box, not including the stand?
- I had a Dragon Wings all-white model. It wasn't pre-assembled. I have diecasts with and without stands.

The best reference, I would say, is to check what the box labels the model.
Pendulum19 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 07:56 PM   #6
Insane Collector
 
DC8-dude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Mt.Dora, Fl
Posts: 1,221
Default Re: What Exactly is a diecast?

I think the term "diecast" is being misrepresented in this hobby recently. As i see it, diecast is from molten metal and injection moulded are your plastic components. If a seller on e-bay listed a model as a diecast, and i recieved a moulded plastic item i would be pissed. To me it seems the term is being twisted around as bad as all the products on the market you see nowadays marketed as "TITANIUM" or "GRAPHITE" and are nothing but a simple cheap additive to a base plastic resin....

Now there are some very fine collectables out there made of plastic, the material that the item is manufactured of should be accurately described.
__________________
...Approaching minimums....minimums.....100...50...

Last edited by DC8-dude; 03-12-2010 at 07:59 PM.
DC8-dude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2010, 06:24 AM   #7
Old Collector
 
B-huj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,814
Default Re: What Exactly is a diecast?

diecast=die-casting, a manufacturing process in which parts are casted together "permanently", ie. no screws or snap fit, materials can be varied, usually but not always metal.

"diecast metal" toy/model was the full designation for stuff made with the die-casting process with metallic material. I remember seing rivet-like attachment poits at the bottoms of my old matchbox diecast metal toys. Not sure superglueing, the most common process nowadays except ih 1/76 model buses, is considered diecasting.

unfortunately, many ppl dropped "metal" and just think sth is "made of diecast"...
B-huj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2010, 11:41 AM   #8
Bite Me
 
gospodin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: SHV
Posts: 8,775
Default Re: What Exactly is a diecast?

Dave (dboyd001) had it right when he pointed out that die casting incorporates a "die", which is different from a "mould", used mostly in injection casting, i.e. plastic or resin model parts. When we talk about a new mould, we really should be calling it a new die.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Steve







Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or imbeciles who really mean it. Mark Twain
gospodin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2010, 05:10 AM   #9
Master Collector
 
larriet888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Singapore
Posts: 765
Send a message via MSN to larriet888
Default Re: What Exactly is a diecast?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Allegheny580 View Post
I have a question that maybe others have wondered as well. What exactly defines a diecast airliner as a diecast? Does it have to be all metal? Does it have to be gear down? Does it have to be 1 piece out of the box, not including the stand? The reason I ask, is I am going to break my list of built planes for sale down into actual built plastic KITS, and then display models, but I'm having problems differentiating which of those are diecast, which I already have a list for.

I already assumed the 1:72 AMT/ ERTL, 1:144 Corgis, 1:200 Phoenix Models, Model Power (mixed scales), and 1:400 and 1:500 birds were all die cast, due to their high concentration of METAL, but I never really assumed the Hogans and StarJets to be, because they were lightweight for their size and had plastic wings, etc. The thing is, the StarJets DO come fully assembled, but once you do assemble the Hogan Wings, they do quite resemble the StarJets. I'm on the fence with the 1:200 Herpa Wings. Obviously, the push-fit Wooster/ Flight Miniature/ SkyMarks types are "Display Models", but how should I label the 1:200 Hogans, Starjets, and Herpas, or should I just call them all "Collectibles" and list them by scale?

Your feedback would be appreciated ASAP.

Thanks!

Tom :>)

Die- Not moving, not in motion by itself.
Cast- The way it is cast, moving or non-moving.

Airline collectibles are DieCast because they don't move by themselves. Hence, We have Hotwheels DieCasts, Airliner Diecasts, Airline Playset diecasts. In fact, a table can be considered a diecast but it is labelled only as FURNITURE.
larriet888 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2010, 06:41 AM   #10
Senior Collector
 
Pendulum19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Age: 37
Posts: 428
Send a message via Yahoo to Pendulum19
Default Re: What Exactly is a diecast?

Quote:
Originally Posted by larriet888 View Post
Die- Not moving, not in motion by itself.
Cast- The way it is cast, moving or non-moving.

Airline collectibles are DieCast because they don't move by themselves. Hence, We have Hotwheels DieCasts, Airliner Diecasts, Airline Playset diecasts. In fact, a table can be considered a diecast but it is labelled only as FURNITURE.
huh???

Diecast refers to products going through the diecasting process of production, which you can read on here Die casting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Pendulum19 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2010, 03:00 PM   #11
Insane Collector
 
DC8-dude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Mt.Dora, Fl
Posts: 1,221
Default Re: What Exactly is a diecast?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pendulum19 View Post
huh???

Diecast refers to products going through the diecasting process of production, which you can read on here Die casting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Thanks for posting this link, i had seen it before but as it mentions real diecasting process including the linotype, which my grandfather had this machine in his printing company in Miami from the 40s-to the 70s. I use to melt the metal from the used diecastings in a propane smelter to be skimmed for impurities and reused in the machine. Thats what i consider real die-cast.

Note that in the die casting materials list_ no plastic listed there...
__________________
...Approaching minimums....minimums.....100...50...

Last edited by DC8-dude; 03-14-2010 at 09:28 PM.
DC8-dude is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
corgi , herpa wings , hogan wings , skymarks , starjets

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:36 AM.

Latest Threads
 

Models of the Week
 



Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.