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Old 07-29-2020, 03:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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A question. Can someone tell me why airline names on aircraft are painted over on their final flight to be parted out? Thanks in anticipation.
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It's perhaps for the same reason why aeroflot was removed on the TU-144 in Sinsheim. I heard somewhere that it was because of the rights owend by the company.

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It's perhaps for the same reason why aeroflot was removed on the TU-144 in Sinsheim. I heard somewhere that it was because of the rights owend by the company.

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That makes sense. Thanks.
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It's perhaps for the same reason why aeroflot was removed on the TU-144 in Sinsheim. I heard somewhere that it was because of the rights owend by the company.

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That’s a real shame. It’s a historical fact that that beautiful jet flew with those titles adorning it. Even the famous winged Hammer and Sickle is still used on Aeroflot’s current fleet. What’s next, scrubbing out the red flag? Where does the line get drawn?

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They're not always. All of Delta's MD's were ferried to Blytheville in full Delta livery
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I heard this from someone who is heavily involved in airplane scrapping. Most of the time, the livery is painted over because either
The airplane was sold to a scrapping company situated at one of the many boneyards

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Some airlines just despise seeing their livery still on an airplane in a boneyard where the state of the airplane isn't cared for giving the airline a bad image

Many examples are Qantas 747-400. The jets that went to Victorville airport went with the livery removed because a company called Jet Midwest had bought the planes. Same situation with the ex-Qantas 744 going to Rolls Royce, the Qantas 744 that went to Tupelo, and the many Qantas at Mojave. Same with KLM. These airlines previously owned their own airplanes and have now sold them off.

Many times BA 747-400 are scrapped with the livery still applied. BA own their airplane and most times see through the entire scrapping of their retired jets like at Victorville, (1-2 at Teruel, Kemble, Cardiff etc) BA's reasoning of not removing liveries sometimes are unknown but I personally believe its cost saving measures. Its challenging to get photos of some planes at Victorville hence many were sent with the livery, but most planes are spray painted Black when they arrive at boneyards like Teruel and Kemble to sort of "Mask" the airlines identity. St Athans is another boneyard, sorta challenging to get photos so many BA went there and scrapped with their full livery.

The logistics are all over the place when it comes to removing the liveries, but simply most of the time a livery is painted over by the airline, or boneyard is simply because the airplane was sold to scrappers, or airlines request the boneyard to mask their planes with the black spray paint.




The only scummy airline I heard of is Lufthansa. They've retired some jets to Mojave with the livery and whenever people take photos, they will attempt to go after them for some meaningless "Damages" caused. Some airlines sell their planes with liveries still attached because some simply don't care or don't have the time. United and Lufthansa are some prime examples.
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Thanks for your answer Jag. I've often wondered why. Not sure about Lufthansa being called scummy though. ��
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Thanks for your answer Jag. I've often wondered why. Not sure about Lufthansa being called scummy though. ��
Lufthansa retires their jets with liveries still applied. Before Lufthansa sent their 747-400 to be scrapped at their own base in Tulsa in the US, it was sent to Mojave. If you see an airplane with the words Lufthansa still written on it and not removed it means the airline still owns it, but you will also see some Lufthansa at mojave with their branding removed which means someone bought it most likely scrappers. DiecastJames on instagram is the person to go to when wanting to learn about this stuff. Attached are photos of diecastjames info on airline branding removed, and a ton of photos including the Lufthansa 747-400 at Oscoda airport in Michigan which Kalitta Air bought for spare parts. In the Kalitta Air photo you will see the Lufthansa rudder removed but the plane is held down using giant heavy cement blocks (What it looks like) and since a rudder isn’t always needed from a jet at Mojave those don’t have their branding removed so there’s always a subtle hint left of who owned it.
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