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Old 05-14-2020, 09:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Truly sad news. There goes another 500 pilots.
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I have so many great memories of Delta and their 777. I flew the Bonnie Blair Olympic scheme several times between Orlando and Atlanta back in the mid 90's, once to Asia and my last experience last spring Atlanta to Johannesburg 15 hours! It will be sorely missed...

I was surprised to see that they have a fleet of only 18 with the oldest 1999 and newest 2010..Shame they spent millions refurbing them last year..
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Shame they spent millions refurbing them last year..
Still a mere fraction of what they’re burning through right now. But alas, still a shame to see the 777 go away.
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Out of all of the things that have happen in regards to airlines, I really think this is one of the more shocking items. It says a lot about future demand when the healthy airline is ditching its 777’s, albeit, it didn’t have many to begin with.
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Out of all of the things that have happen in regards to airlines, I really think this is one of the more shocking items. It says a lot about future demand when the healthy airline is ditching its 777’s, albeit, it didn’t have many to begin with.
Yes... which further points to the A380 being permanently retired across the board over the next few years if not sooner.
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Yes... which further points to the A380 being permanently retired across the board over the next few years if not sooner.
At this rate, the 748-8 pax are on borrowed time.
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At this rate, the 748-8 pax are on borrowed time.
I think they'll out last the Skypig..i.e the A380.
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At least we know that these triple sevens will be in high demand for other airlines. This is just Delta trying to stay afloat. Still, a stupid decision unless they intend to purchase the 777-9X once they are in profit mode.
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At least we know that these triple sevens will be in high demand for other airlines. This is just Delta trying to stay afloat. Still, a stupid decision unless they intend to purchase the 777-9X once they are in profit mode.

Delta generally doesn't make stupid decisions. They make decisions that are shocking and then everyone starts taking a closer look trying to figure out what Delta knows that they don't.

There is a reason why there isn't any concern about Delta's existence in the post-COVID world and it isn't because they've made stupid decisions.
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Delta generally doesn't make stupid decisions. They make decisions that are shocking and then everyone starts taking a closer look trying to figure out what Delta knows that they don't.

There is a reason why there isn't any concern about Delta's existence in the post-COVID world and it isn't because they've made stupid decisions.
Couldn't agree more. The 777 is one of their more expensive planes to operate, if not the most expensive.
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At this rate the world will be dominated by boring A350s and 787s (:-.
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At least we know that these triple sevens will be in high demand for other airlines. This is just Delta trying to stay afloat. Still, a stupid decision unless they intend to purchase the 777-9X once they are in profit mode.
Stupid decision, try again. With 18 777 aircraft total it's a sub fleet. More 350's (new and use) on the way due to the LATAM deal. Delta's widebody fleet will be 350/330NEO for sure.
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Lots of Delta fans around here. Okay then, give me your opinions on why Delta has dropped arguably the most profitable twin, long distance heavy in the industry. And, go.....
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Because according to the article the A350 will burn 21% less fuel per seat than the 777.
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Lots of Delta fans around here. Okay then, give me your opinions on why Delta has dropped arguably the most profitable twin, long distance heavy in the industry. And, go.....
Maybe because it is no longer the most profitable twin..I would imagine that their accountants probably know just slightly more then the average diecast model collector..
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Maybe because it is no longer the most profitable twin..I would imagine that their accountants probably know just slightly more then the average diecast model collector..
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I think they'll out last the Skypig..i.e the A380.
Would be interesting to see a 747-8 PAX converted to cargo.
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Lots of Delta fans around here. Okay then, give me your opinions on why Delta has dropped arguably the most profitable twin, long distance heavy in the industry. And, go.....
Maybe because it is no longer the most profitable twin..I would imagine that their accountants probably know just slightly more then the average diecast model collector..
Give me the fuel burn stats for both the 350 and the upcoming 777-9X. And also YOUR criteria for being a true collector, since I must've struck a nerve in your grey matter. 🤯
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Give me the fuel burn stats for both the 350 and the upcoming 777-9X. And also YOUR criteria for being a true collector, since I must've struck a nerve in your grey matter. 🤯
Burn Stats A350 vs 777-9 I just spoke to officials from both Airbus and Boeing on a conference call.

Airbus A350 4 gallons of fuel per hour at cruise altitude.
Boeing 777-9X 4.1 gallons of fuel per hour at cruise altitude.
Airbus wins by .1 gallons less per hour thus giving a clear edge to Airbus.

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I'm not trying to be a jerk when I say this but this isn't about the 777-9X. This is a decision based on existing 777's (8/18 being ER's) vs. A350-900 both of which Delta currently has on hand and not about potentials orders in the future. The reality is that Delta along with every other carrier outside of cargo has way too many planes right now. They are trying to determine what to do with their existing fleets.
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I just spoke to officials from both Airbus and Boeing on a conference call.
Okay son, the lengths you go to to prove a point is kinda creepy. Also, it's rather odd that in a time of a global economic crisis, "officials" from both manufacturers have the time of day to discuss fuel burn with you.

*cough* narcissist *cough*
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I'm not trying to be a jerk when I say this but this isn't about the 777-9X. This is a decision based on existing 777's (8/18 being ER's) vs. A350-900 both of which Delta currently has on hand and not about potentials orders in the future. The reality is that Delta along with every other carrier outside of cargo has way too many planes right now. They are trying to determine what to do with their existing fleets.
Okay cool. That answers my question quite nicely. Thanks!
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Burn Stats A350 vs 777-9 I just spoke to officials from both Airbus and Boeing on a conference call.

Airbus A350 4 gallons of fuel per hour at cruise altitude.
Boeing 777-9X 4.1 gallons of fuel per hour at cruise altitude.
Airbus wins by .1 gallons less per hour thus giving a clear edge to Airbus.

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Russ is correct. I just got off of a ZOOM meeting with Jack Tripper, Boeings interim Lead Engineer, and Frank Shirley, Airbus North America CEO. The results are confirmed: .1 GAL/HR edge to the A350

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Okay son, the lengths you go to to prove a point is kinda creepy. Also, it's rather odd that in a time of a global economic crisis, "officials" from both manufacturers have the time of day to discuss fuel burn with you.

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Calling a MODERATOR a narcissist? Smooth.
Yep, not a good move on the DAC I must say as well. You have crownvic taking his time to ensure all goes well on the forum, and he receives an insult by a fellow DAC member. Hopefully DC_10_Tony can appreciate what crownvic has put into the forum since taking over last year as the moderator. I personally enjoy reading posts by both members on the DAC.

Personally, I don't spend much time on the DAC as in the past. Have work, family, home projects, etc.to take up my time; but I noticed that the times when I do jump onto the forum that it's pretty under control and things are running smoothly. So my utmost respect and admiration for the moderators doing a great job on the DAC.

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Yep, not a good move on the DAC I must say as well. You have crownvic taking his time to ensure all goes well on the forum, and he receives an insult by a fellow DAC member. Hopefully DC_10_Tony can appreciate what crownvic has put into the forum since taking over last year as the moderator. I personally enjoy reading posts by both members on the DAC.

So my utmost respect and admiration for the moderators doing a great job on the DAC.

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Was outside yesterday morning and a Delta 777-200 flew over on the way to Seoul. Just happened to notice it coming on FlightRadar24 and got the binoculars out.

Never thought I'd be excited to spot a 777.
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Was outside yesterday morning and a Delta 777-200 flew over on the way to Seoul. Just happened to notice it coming on FlightRadar24 and got the binoculars out.

Never thought I'd be excited to spot a 777.

They began running to Seoul from Atlanta again. It is currently a 777-200ER. It was an A350 prior to the shutdown.


Korean always used to run a 777-300 and sometimes in the summer they would run a 747-8. When Delta launched non-stop with an A350, Korean began 747-8 year round. When they started coming back after COVID, they returned with a 777-200 and are now back to a 777-300.
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