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Old 10-05-2019, 02:07 AM   #1
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So, this is just a warning out there. If you are looking for someone to refinish your model, be careful. It appears I got scammed. I sent a model to this man Roy Gorris in Tucson AZ, who solicited me to refinish my 1/72(huge model) Space Models 747-100 model in a custom livery back in July. Things started out well, he was very detailed, he communicated well, gave me updates frequently, sent me pictures of it’s progress. However in August/Sept, he said he had to stop because it(the weather) was too hot to do any painting/priming, so I didn’t make a a stink of it. Then he said he was waiting on supplies. And then he was sending me pics of models he acquired for his personal collection, and I hadn’t seen any current progress on my model. But today, his FB and FB messenger is GONE! VANISHED! DISAPPEARED! And no way to contact him. I don’t know if FB deleted him or he self-deleted. Now, according to others, he gets people to send him their models, for which he copies for himself, and then forgets about your model. Don’t know if it’s true. If your lucky to get it back, it I’ll probably be broken. So, at this point, I’m stuck, not knowing if I’ll ever see my model again. Be careful out there, there maybe thieves among us trying to steal your models

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Old 10-05-2019, 09:46 PM   #2
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I'm sorry to hear this. How did he contact you? If you sent the model to him via the USPS you might be able to get the postal inspectors involved. I'm no expert, just a thought. Good luck to you.
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A call to the Tucson Police Department to at least put it on record.
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Very sorry to hear about this. I had a similar situation. Many years ago, I foolishly sent two models, a 1/72 Super VC10, and a 1/100 Olympic A300, to a European collector before I’d been paid. We had been exchanging emails for some time and I thought we’d built up a good relationship. Anyway, long storey short, never got paid, models lost, lesson learnt.

I sincerely hope you can get that model back, or some kind of financial compensation.

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Ok, so I heard back from him. And I must admit, that I was overly harsh on him with in respect to waiting to hearing back from him. He explained the reason why he deleted/removed his FB. I let my emotions get the better of me without giving him the adequate time to respond. So, I’m calling off my henchmen And I apologize to Roy. I got emotional and directed my uninformed overreaction to the situation without better judgment.

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Great you got it worked out! Post pics of the finished model when you receive it! Sometimes these modelers get busy with life and it takes them awhile.
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Well, I wouldn’t go that far. He’s understandably angry.
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Is he going to finish the model for you or just send it back in its current stage of completion?
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No, he’s not completing it. I think it’s just best that it ends here. Continuing on with it will probably just further add to the situation. It all stemmed from 2 individuals who warned people on a Facebook page, so bad that they started a page about it. I didn't really know the details TBH, but naturally, when you see that, and I having a model in his possession, got spooked by it, and then a few days later, he’s gone from FB. I reacted wrong about it. So I think from here, it’s just better that he sends it back and we both move on from it.

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I posted a Warning on FB about a month ago regarding Gorris! Afterwards i had over a dozen complaints from other collectors including Atlantic Models! All the excuses described above were the same excuses given to many people. I even have his FB messenger messages saved. It seems he deleted his FB as he realized the complaints were being made public!

I originally posted this complaint on the FB group "Large Scale Aircraft Model Collectors(non diecast). However the administrator blocked further comments from being posted to prevent further hostility. I therefore created my own group "Aviation Model Collectors-Complaints". Please feel free to add any and alll complaints. Not only for gorris , but any other buying or selling issue you may have had with anyone else, so that genuine collectors will be aware and safe! Thank you.
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Jettjack: As you are still communicating with Gorris, tell him that "the guy from FB whose rare and expensive Pacmin UA 747-400 model you broke and scratched still wants his $100 USD compensation". Just because he blocked me after I made the monetary request doesnt mean I forgot about it! And no my model did Not break in shipping. The outter shipping box was pristine. He packed it loosely and carelessly! Pluss he scratched the model as he "left sitting on my shelf". When you get over a dozen complaints about the same conduct......then yes hes a genuine fraud! He knows it too. I think the fear embedded in him is what prompted him to reach out and send your model back. But he has already done damage to his image!
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Seems to be a super busy guy. Teaches full time, is a structural aircraft mechanic with the US Army, then restores 1:1 in his spare time. Seems to be biting off more than he can chew and that he needs to make improvements to his time management skills, but "Fraud"?

I know it's frustrating for the person who commissions his services, but FRAUD by definition indicates "Intent" and I just don't think that's the case with this guy.
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Seems to be a super busy guy. Teaches full time, is a structural aircraft mechanic with the US Army, then restores 1:1 in his spare time. Seems to be biting off more than he can chew and that he needs to make improvements to his time management skills, but "Fraud"?

I know it's frustrating for the person who commissions his services, but FRAUD by definition indicates "Intent" and I just doom In't think that's the case with this guy.
Yes I conceded that my language was harsh initially, but I was reacting out of emotion. I’ve since cooled off and apologized to him for the rhetoric. And since I have received the model back, there was no superficial damage or defects, just hadn’t gotten very far with it in 3.5 months. Yes, he oughta finish up projects before offering his services on further projects. He did say that it wouldn’t be quick but if I “don’t mind waiting”, and I agreed to that. But I thought 3months down the road it would be about done at that point. And when we were discussing what I wanted, he responded with “yes, we can do that”, which I thought he had someone or 2 people working with him.
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Yes I conceded that my language was harsh initially, but I was reacting out of emotion. I’ve since cooled off and apologized to him for the rhetoric. And since I have received the model back, there was no superficial damage or defects, just hadn’t gotten very far with it in 3.5 months. Yes, he oughta finish up projects before offering his services on further projects. He did say that it wouldn’t be quick but if I “don’t mind waiting”, and I agreed to that. But I thought 3months down the road it would be about done at that point. And when we were discussing what I wanted, he responded with “yes, we can do that”, which I thought he had someone or 2 people working with him.
I meant to quote Stratoliner in my post above.

I've had an identical experience with a guy named Daniel Bronner from Miami. Had my models over 4 months with zero communication. I feel your frustration.
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Had a guy named Anthony Poon (a now banned forum member) rip me off for models and money. I met him in person and naively trusted him.
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Had a guy named Anthony Poon (a now banned forum member) rip me off for models and money. I met him in person and naively trusted him.
Anthony Poon, lol. I remember him from one of EWR Airliner shows from a long time ago, if that’s the same guy. He was the organizer of the event. Never met him, but corresponded with him and spoke to him to get a table at the event. Very disorganized
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I meant to quote Stratoliner in my post above.

I've had an identical experience with a guy named Daniel Bronner from Miami. Had my models over 4 months with zero communication. I feel your frustration.


I dont believe i use the word "FRAUD" anywhere in my contect anywhere. However, i would like to add once again, i have had over a dozen complaints about Gorris from many big name collectors and sellers (Including Atlantic Models-Miami). Yes i was given permission to use their name. There are many others who have similar complaints about Gorris, so you can take that and figure out on your own what the INTENT really may be.

Additionally, i see there is this Anthony Poon guy whom people have complaints about. I have never heard about him until now. Perhaps you gentlemen should post on my Facebook post for the complaints. you say he is banned but be aware that those banned also may conduct business using other usernames. Please feel free to post to my FB as it may be helpful to other buyers/sellers who might not see this DAC posting.
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I dont believe i use the word "FRAUD" anywhere in my contect anywhere.
Well, I believe you DID:

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When you get over a dozen complaints about the same conduct......then yes hes a genuine fraud! He knows it too. I think the fear embedded in him is what prompted him to reach out and send your model back. But he has already done damage to his image!
The forums are a much better place to "spread the word". No offense, but with 8 total members over a month and a half, and a "seen by" a grand total of 6, I already wasted enough time looking at that facebook page. Wouldn't waste any more typing a complaint that won't be seen by anyone. Get over 200 members, then it might be worthwhile.

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Well, I believe you DID:


The forums are a much better place to "spread the word". No offense, but with 8 total members over a month and a half, and a "seen by" a grand total of 6, I already wasted enough time looking at that facebook page. Wouldn't waste any more typing a complaint that won't be seen by anyone. Get over 200 members, then it might be worthwhile.
Well i was referring to the "FRAUD" THAT IS THE TITLE OF THIS POSTING THANK YOU! and yes my context was an agggrement towards the title of this original posting that states "FRAUD".

Let me ask you Dylan, why are you trying so hard to defend Gorris? Yes my facebook page is not even a couple months old and not as well known as this DAC forum so therefore it wont be seen by anyone other than those who are already on the original FB page of Airliner models page.

Nevertheless, maybe i should start posting the exact quotes of the dozen complaints on Gorris for it to matter to you? Maybe there are hundreds of other complaints that have not been made as Gorris might have compensated like he did for Jetjack? Gorris is no dummy. Point im trying to make is how many complaints (in your opinion) do you need to deem a person trustworthy or fraudulant?

Did i mention Gorris has other facebook ID's as well? Again il ask, why do you defend Gorris so much and have no regard for those that he has troubled already? Perhaps you have a good acquaintance with him? Perhaps you are him? On that note i think i will disregard your attempt to insult me as your argument has no basis or merit. Maybe you can point out a dozen good points about Gorris to counter my dozen complaint...how about that? seems fair? Then we can continue. if not, please keep your opinions to yourself if you have no intention or interest to look out for the benefit of the majority of the collectors on here.

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Well, I believe you DID:


The forums are a much better place to "spread the word". No offense, but with 8 total members over a month and a half, and a "seen by" a grand total of 6, I already wasted enough time looking at that facebook page. Wouldn't waste any more typing a complaint that won't be seen by anyone. Get over 200 members, then it might be worthwhile.
And i will add again since i missed one point on my response as seen in my initial post:
"I originally posted this complaint on the FB group "Large Scale Aircraft Model Collectors(non diecast). However the administrator blocked further comments from being posted to prevent further hostility. I therefore created my own group "Aviation Model Collectors-Complaints" "

Gorris's original advertisments are on facebook and therefore he is well known on there rather than on DAC! Therefore my complaints were directly posted on the FB pages where he conducted his business, to allow those customers to see directly. However, if you had any regard for my post where i said the admin blocked my comments, you will see (if u care) why i created a new FB page. I initially though of DAC but seriously who seems to care here? there are simply usernames here whereas FB has the actual names and faces of people (both the customers and the sellers). Trust me dude, i already thought of everything before i posted. Your advice is not necessary but thanks for the consideration!
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Yea dude, just disregard everything i said and just stick to your own point . you must be a lawyer or something. Ofcourse, every lawyer has to defend their client even if they are guilty. I understand!
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Hey Mr.Gorris, so now your're going by the username Dylan eh? Nice try!
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Dylan,

i can post every FB screenshot of communication with your buddy if you wish. Oh nevermind, you will disregard everything and blindfold yourself from the truth and continue with your childish approach towards his defense. But if anyone mature enough wishes to see the communication please let me know. Thanks

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I've had an identical experience with a guy.
That explains everything!
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i can post every FB screenshot of communication with your buddy if you wish. Oh nevermind, you will disregard everything and blindfold yourself from the truth and continue with your childish approach towards his defense. But if anyone mature enough wishes to see the communication please let me know.
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You know his address. If it bugs you that much, fly there and make a personal visit. ✈️
Whats bugging me is that i am here trying to warn people for their own good and here we have Dylan (aka Gorris or his best buddy) having no regard for anything i am trying to say and continually taunting me instead.
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Had a guy named Anthony Poon (a now banned forum member) rip me off for models and money. I met him in person and naively trusted him.
I see you are all about meeting people. But no thanks, id much rather stay away from those kinds of individuals and just keep warning people over and over and over and make sure the Gorris and Poons dont succeed in ripping off anyone else!
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Never leave your FB page public.
I got nothing to hide, however if you wish to continue to harass me then i can go further with this!
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Never leave your FB page public.
Besides my FB isnt public dude. It simply means you are on friend list or friend of friend. That is also how you were able to see my FB warning post. Because you did a friend request to have me add you to the group! the easier to find you. even better. Thanks

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I got nothing to hide, however if you wish to continue to harass me then i can go further with this!
Are you gonna post those complaints and their source, or what? Remember it has to be AT LEAST 13, as you said "over a dozen" multiple times so far. I'll wait....
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Are you gonna post those complaints and their source, or what? Remember it has to be AT LEAST 13, as you said "over a dozen" multiple times so far. I'll wait....
Nope im reporting you to the cops! Your harassment has gotten too far!
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Besides my FB isnt public dude. It simply means you are on friend list or friend of friend. That is also how you were able to see my FB warning post. Because you did a friend request to have me add you to the group! the easier to find you. even better. Thanks
Tell you what, genius: go to your FB page, do a search for "Roy Gorris" and tell me what comes up? I'll save you the time, you and your page come up at the bottom.. This isn't some CSI Miami ***** here, bud. We're not FB friends, I'm not one of the 8 members of your viral FB page, and, most importantly, we have no friends of friends.

And although your page might not be fully public, your photos are. Might wanna change that. I went ahead and save them all though, you know, for future memes and what not.
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Nope im reporting you to the cops! Your harassment has gotten too far!
Neat. Maybe they can become members number 9 and 10 of your FB group and your posts can get a "seen by 8" tagged on them?!!
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Tell you what, genius: go to your FB page, do a search for "Roy Gorris" and tell me what comes up? I'll save you the time, you and your page come up at the bottom.. This isn't some CSI Miami ***** here, bud. We're not FB friends, I'm not one of the 8 members of your viral FB page, and, most importantly, we have no friends of friends.

And although your page might not be fully public, your photos are. Might wanna change that. I went ahead and save them all though, you know, for future memes and what not.
cool Dylan im glad youre a fan of me. I already found out who you are. At this point thats all i need to know. Thanks
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If I wasn't who'd be? I'm taking one for the team, Pari!
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I already found out who you are. At this point thats all i need to know. Thanks
Can you at least find a pic of me and make a meme? Please?
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"My name is Dylan Hardman. Can you see why they call me that?"

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I was Also scammed by Roy Gorris
He was offering a very rare 1/200 Aeroflot ILYUSHIN 62 for 25Usd
Pretended he was a pilot.
I fell for it like an idiot.
Look at what i received, i mean where is the Aeroflot logo ?
I managed to get a photo of this scammer.

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I tried to be nice by warning you! OK as you wish
You're not good at this.

Meme. Now. Otherwise, I'm calling your bluff.
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I was Also scammed by Roy Gorris
He was offering a very rare 1/200 Aeroflot ILYUSHIN 62 for 25Usd
Pretended he was a pilot.
I fell for it like an idiot.
Look at what i received, i mean where is the Aeroflot logo ?
I managed to get a photo of this scammer.

Buyers beware !
Bwahaha! It doesn't even have engines #1 and 4! Better make a facebook page, Matthieu!
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Alright, confirmed. You're REALLY not good at this.

Here, let me help you out:
Yeah you wait and see mr Copilot for Western Airlines. I doubt anybody wants a copilot with conduct like yours!
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Yeah you wait and see mr Copilot for Western Airlines. I doubt anybody wants a copilot with conduct like yours!
Wait, are you implying that I'm NOT an active copilot for an airline that ceased operations in 1987?! How dare you! I worked really hard for that job!

But seriously, wht'ya think of the fish? Nice baby Lake Trout, eh?
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Wait, are you implying that I'm NOT an active copilot for an airline that ceased operations in 1987?! How dare you! I worked really hard for that job!

But seriously, wht'ya think of the fish? Nice baby Lake Trout, eh?
Are you saying you are inactive or will be inactive? again you said it not me
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Wait, are you implying that I'm NOT an active copilot for an airline that ceased operations in 1987?! How dare you! I worked really hard for that job!

But seriously, wht'ya think of the fish? Nice baby Lake Trout, eh?
Fish is nice but you look much better in the pilot's uniform. Not sure how long you will be wearing it after i let them know of your conduct.
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