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Old 01-07-2019, 10:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I started the process tonight using the Pacmin Air One B-737-300. I had no problem at all removing the clear coat and grateful for that. Will do the fine sanding tomorrow and maybe apply the primer. I already have the decals from Ben at V-1 decals. More to follow I HOPE .
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Awaiting progress reports.
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I really like the Canadian North livery. Looking forward to seeing the end result.

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I have the 737-200 Canadian North in 1:60th. Way back when, I called their office and asked if they sill had one. Secretary came back and said, I have one left, and she nearly gave it to me. It was a good day. Looking forward to your -300. You are sure staying busy. You remind me of someone 10 years ago :-) Cheers Anthony
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I started the process tonight using the Pacmin Air One B-737-300. I had no problem at all removing the clear coat and grateful for that. Will do the fine sanding tomorrow and maybe apply the primer. I already have the decals from Ben at V-1 decals. More to follow I HOPE .
Wish I could say the same thing.

BTW I have completed the engines and pylons for my 737-300 modification. If you still need some, shoot me a PM.


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Looking good after first coat of primer.
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Looking forward to this project!! It looks promising even in 1st coat of primer.
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White paint looks good after the second coat. Next will be applying silver to leading edge of the vertical stab. Will apply a line of black to the rear of the stab in case the decal is not a perfect fit. Overall no real challenges so far, decals could be interesting however.
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White paint looks good after the second coat. Next will be applying silver to leading edge of the vertical stab. Will apply a line of black to the rear of the stab in case the decal is not a perfect fit. Overall no real challenges so far, decals could be interesting however.
Great work so far! That tail decal looks like a nightmare though, but in the worst case you can always paint the tail and cut out tail logo from the dark part. Looking forward to seeing more.
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Thanks Neil that is a good option and I will keep it in mind.
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That is a livery I've never seen. Interesting!

Keep us updated!
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Hi boeing767300,

Thanks so much for sharing this project for all to see and enjoy.

I'm sure that the finished product will look great.





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Old 01-16-2019, 12:50 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Temporary set back as decals broke up once in the water! Definitely a first for me, that said Ben at V-1 has a new set en route with sincere apologies.
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Interesting livery, making your own model with the livery of your choice is always gratifying.

It is often wise when you receive a set of decals to duplicate them by making a copy on a clear or white decal.
That's what I always do, just in case ...

Sometimes, to have the leading and trailing edge of the vertical fin perfectly covered by the decal, it can be a good option to slightly rescale the decal.
This can be very made very easily on your printer.

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Old 01-16-2019, 09:27 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Good advice Jean Pierre, thank you.
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Old 01-17-2019, 07:28 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Anthony,
That happens all the time with large tail decals printed on laser paper (blue). Too much weight to pull off and that causes the decals to break off. So here are some things I have done over the years to be in charge,
1. As mentioned above, always scan the decal sheet. You can buy Laser decal paper from MicroMark in packs of 25. All you need is a color laser printer.
2. I always apply 3 coats (1 day in between each) of microscale liquid film decal to the decals before I use them. It goes on thick and dries thin. I just love that stuff. It will make your decals 10 times stronger.
3. In the case here, I could still have used them. They would fit like a puzzle and after clear coat, you would never know. It is always worth a try. Never give up on a sheet.
4. For large surfaces like this one, sometimes, I would mask out the area of the white and painted the tail (looks black), and then apply just the center decal part.
5. I have even cut large sheets with an very sharp exacto knife and reduced them to 3 or 4 parts. That happened naturally to your sheet. Even better!


All ideas that you might consider.


Just know that I have been there many times. That break in yours would not have stop me from using them.


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Thanks Al, believe it or not I did slide both decals onto the backing paper because like you I hate throwing decals away. Not sure how they would fare the next time I place them in water however. That said I was thinking of doing exactly as you suggested as nothing to lose now. The lettering and the logo are clear however NOT white. Thinking I should apply them on the white tail and then mask them off and paint the remainder black. If they were white then it would be really simple to just paint the tail black and apply the logo and lettering. Your thoughts are always appreciated.
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Thanks Al, believe it or not I did slide both decals onto the backing paper because like you I hate throwing decals away. Not sure how they would fare the next time I place them in water however. That said I was thinking of doing exactly as you suggested as nothing to lose now. The lettering and the logo are clear however NOT white. Thinking I should apply them on the white tail and then mask them off and paint the remainder black. If they were white then it would be really simple to just paint the tail black and apply the logo and lettering. Your thoughts are always appreciated.

As per our talk. Never ever put masking tape over decals. They will come off! One work around is to put cellophane over the decals and then the tape on top of it. In your case, I would mask the white area needed (cut thin strips of tape for the edges. Then I would paint the black on top the white. Remove the mask area and apply the decals over the white.
I have had decals come off with masking tape, even with 3 coats of clear coat on top of them. A real bummer.
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Sucks about the decals, happens a lot unfortunately. Some good points made above about copying the decal onto decal paper and sealing it in before applying. Personally, I brush a couple thin layers of clear and allow 6 hours or more to cure. Also, it doesn't add enough thickness on the decal to even notice once applied. Just makes it more durable for applying and handling. Less chance of them curling up during application as well.

I'm currently trying different types of decal paper as the Micromark paper has a sort of orange peel effect, its tough to smooth it out once applied. I can smooth it but it wrinkles back up a bit. Would love to find what Draw Decal uses for paper.
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Thanks guys for all your help, support and input, Al you have been awesome and much appreciated. Ben at V-1 checked in just now and confirmed that new decals have been shipped. With that in mind I will wait for the set to arrive and then evaluate my options. As for copying decals in a later printer, what printer are you guys using and are the decal sheets feeding through the printer okay. I have checked locally with some local printers and they are sceptical on both fronts. Regrettably I have an inkjet printer so unable to try this myself. Thanks again��
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Thanks guys for all your help, support and input, Al you have been awesome and much appreciated. Ben at V-1 checked in just now and confirmed that new decals have been shipped. With that in mind I will wait for the set to arrive and then evaluate my options. As for copying decals in a later printer, what printer are you guys using and are the decal sheets feeding through the printer okay. I have checked locally with some local printers and they are sceptical on both fronts. Regrettably I have an inkjet printer so unable to try this myself. Thanks again��
You can use an inkjet, Micromark has inkjet paper and it works quite well. But I prefer the quality of laser printers and if you don't want to spend the money on one just to do decals, you can always go to your local copy shop and take your decal paper with you to print on. Never had an issue getting them to feed in either inkjet or laser. I've tried photo paper and plain paper in the settings and both work well, just make sure print quality on the printer is set to max.
Link to the inkjet and laserjet decal paper
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One thing I forgot to mention, is that when I print my own decals (Color Laser from Micromark) I let them sit for a day and then I spray three coats of Krylon Crystal Clear (41303). Don't hold the can too close to the decals if you have red on the art work as it can put a little yellow into it. 3 coats of that stuff and it is very strong.
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Awesome!
What sanding paper did you use?
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I used 200 grade to take off the clear coat and then the decals. I then used 400 to even everything out and then the final finish with 600 grade. It really is all about removing the clear coat as that determines how challenging the job will be. In this case I was fortunate as the clear coat was easily removed. I hope this helps.
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Finally returned to this project today, replacement decals are much improved but still some durability issues to contend with. Will work on the opposite side later this week and then on to final touch ups. Overall very pleased so far and looking forward to wrapping her up.
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