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Old 11-07-2013, 01:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Okay guys,

Need some help again. If anyone can provide any history on this model I would greatly appreciate it. I believe it is 1:25th scale. It measures 6 foot long with a 6 foot 6 inch wingspan. It was wired to have NAV lights and interior lights however I am not sure if this was original. The interior lights still work, the others do not. It has a bit of damage. It looks like someone may have tried removing the livery at some point and stopped. The gear struts are metal and the tires are wood.

Can anyone help me date this model. Possibly know who made it or where if ever it was displayed publicly. I believe it once sat on a stand but was hung from above as indicated by one hanging support still at the rear of the fuselage and one at the front which must have pulled loose at some point possibly causing some of the damage.

Also, should I move forward with my plans to have Atlantic Models restore this model to the Braniff livery I have posted in the below photo, restore to its Lufthansa livery, or leave it alone and as is?

I am very eager to get some of your opinions on this one!
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Old 11-07-2013, 02:21 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Hi Matt,

Very beautiful model indeed!!! IMO, I'd have the model restored.... to nice of a model to have it in that condition. I think Braniff would look awesome! But then again, it's a 707, tons of liveries would look great on it!

By the way, are you attending the Airline Collectible Show next Saturday in Elk Grove Village? I will be there as I live in the city.
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I agree, I think that model deserves a good restoration. Braniff would look good, but as Matt says, there are a myriad of 707 liveries possible. One things for sure, following restoration, that model is going to be impressive.
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Old 11-07-2013, 03:23 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I agree, I think that model deserves a good restoration. Braniff would look good, but as Matt says, there are a myriad of 707 liveries possible. One things for sure, following restoration, that model is going to be impressive.
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Old 11-07-2013, 06:08 AM   #5 (permalink)
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What a shame that this model was painted in Lufthansa's all-white-livery at some point during its life. I wonder why - because LH introduced this scheme after all Boeing 707s had left the fleet. I would restore the model in the classic 1960s colours...

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I really like that earlier scheme.
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Hi Matt,

It's an interesting huge vintage model indeed.

I would defiantly have it restored.

Either the original Lufthansa livery or a Braniff livery would look just fine. You'll also need to purchase a metal tripod stand if you'd like to display it properly.

There's a lot of repairs that will need to be done and the cost will be fairly high.

Atlantic did a huge 747 cutaway restoration a few years ago, which I was fortunate enough to acquire and then sell to them.

I'm sure that Atlantic will do a great job and it will be worth the wait.

Best of luck with it.

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Hi Matt,

It's an interesting huge vintage model indeed.

I would defiantly have it restored.

Either the original Lufthansa livery or a Braniff livery would look just fine. You'll also need to purchase a metal tripod stand if you'd like to display it properly.

There's a lot of repairs that will need to be done and the cost will be fairly high.

Atlantic did a huge 747 cutaway restoration a few years ago, which I was fortunate enough to acquire and then sell to them.

I'm sure that Atlantic will do a great job and it will be worth the wait.

Best of luck with it.

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Robert,

Thanks. I am working with Roger over at Atlantic Models right now on the restoration scope. As you can see from the photos the cockpit will need a complete makeover to make it accurate. The tail will be fixed and so will all of the rest of the damaged areas. The exaust portion of the engines will be fabricated and installed as well as fanblades and nose cones for each engine. Gear doors will be fabricated and the gear restored to original condition. They will fabricate a tripod stand for it and will hopefully be able to come up with a better anchor system for suspension that will easily be capped with a plug when the model is displayed on a stand. If we cannot come up with something that looks appropriate I may delete the suspension anchors all together.

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What a shame that this model was painted in Lufthansa's all-white-livery at some point during its life. I wonder why - because LH introduced this scheme after all Boeing 707s had left the fleet. I would restore the model in the classic 1960s colours...

I am not a fan of the current livery either. I considered Pan Am also but the red, white, and blue of the original Braniff 707 is cool I think and unique.

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Hi Matt,

Very beautiful model indeed!!! IMO, I'd have the model restored.... to nice of a model to have it in that condition. I think Braniff would look awesome! But then again, it's a 707, tons of liveries would look great on it!

By the way, are you attending the Airline Collectible Show next Saturday in Elk Grove Village? I will be there as I live in the city.
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I actually live in Kansas City... I wiah I could attend the show but I can't make it.

The 707 had so many cool liveries it is very hard to choose. The original Braniff 707 has a very interesting story. If your going to have a conversation piece it might as well have an interesting story to go with it. I just wish I had the history of the model itself to go along with the history of the Braniff 707.... I am hoping someone remembers this model from somewhere. Maybe it was used in a film or something. I have no clue.

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I agree, I think that model deserves a good restoration. Braniff would look good, but as Matt says, there are a myriad of 707 liveries possible. One things for sure, following restoration, that model is going to be impressive.
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It is a massive model for sure.
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I am waiting on a final quote from Atlantic Models for the restoration cost right now.... I am hoping I can afford the cost including what I have already invested. One big problem is how big the model is. Pardon the pun. After all is said and done I don't know how I am going to display the model as I have no room inside with the rest of my models in my airplane room. I don't have a museum to put it on display. It would fit in the room I have now for my models but I would barely be able to walk around it. If the total cost of restoration and investment is anywhere near what I would spend on a fully loaded say 1:50 scale with gear, NAV, and strobe lights I might do something like that just because I can actually showcase it with the rest of my models and not like out in the garage! haha

I will keep you all updated.
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Thats a nice huge model. from the clear windows wondering if it was ever a cutaway? I know that Atlantic models will charge between 1-2 grand to do a repaint on a model this large and that is without the extras as antennas, lights, etc.
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Thats a nice huge model. from the clear windows wondering if it was ever a cutaway? I know that Atlantic models will charge between 1-2 grand to do a repaint on a model this large and that is without the extras as antennas, lights, etc.
Thats what I am afraid of....... I may have to leave it as it is if the quote comes back too high.



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they are the best...if you go that route it will be done right..
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Had an offer for $1,000 as is..... Should I take it or hang on to it?

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I think I'd hang on until you get a detailed quote from Atlantic. If your potential buyer is serious, I'm sure he'd be prepared to wait a little. That's just my own opinion, obviously, its your decision.
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Hi Matt,

Not sure what your initial investment is into this model. But, if you feel as though you'd rather just part with it for the $1000 and not have to deal with additional outlay of money for the restoration, then I'd suggest that you sell it.

If however you feel as though you either wish to have it restored for yourself or, have it restored for re-sale, you'd have to weigh the outlay of money and the time factor involved if you go the restoration route.

Personally IMHO, these larger scale models present many challenges to both potential buyers and potential sellers based upon their overall size and individual overall condition.

Do what you think is best and am sure that whatever decision you make will indeed be the correct one.

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