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Old 01-14-2013, 05:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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So, a few weeks ago, this 1:100 KLM 747-400 popped up on eBay, allegedly made by PacMin, and I absolutely had to jump on the chance to buy it. Unfortunately, the tail broke off while in transit...





Any ideas on what I should do now? Get it restored professionally? Superglue the tail back on, fill in the crack with putty, then touch it up with paint?


One other thing I would appreciate help with, since I'm quite inexperienced when it comes to collecting 1:100, is determining the authenticity of the model.

I had some doubts when I saw the shape of the wing root in person -



But it came with this sticker:



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I would speak to Sydney aviation shop. They should be able to easily fix it

Great model though. I love my Dreamliner pacmin I have
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The model is definitely made by Pacmin and possibly in the UK. Its an old model from the late 80's to early 90's possibly. Didn't it come in its own box? That break is a typical pattern with these models. Location, style and shape of the breakage is almost identical on many models I have seen. It will require super glue followed by a repaint of the tail with a new tail decal and clear coating.



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I would speak to Sydney aviation shop. They should be able to easily fix it

Great model though. I love my Dreamliner pacmin I have
Alright, thank you, I'll give them a try. I'm a bit too scared to try fixing it myself, even with my sandpaperless putty method, using a Q-tip dipped in acetone.

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The model is definitely made by Pacmin and possibly in the UK. Its an old model from the late 80's to early 90's possibly. Didn't it come in its own box? That break is a typical pattern with these models. Location, style and shape of the breakage is almost identical on many models I have seen. It will require super glue followed by a repaint of the tail with a new tail decal and clear coating.
Thank you very much! That's put my mind at ease over the origins of the model. The wingroot shape, as well as the ostensibly atypical tripod stand commonly seen in Westway Models, for example, were a bit off-putting at first. It did have its own box, but the seller sent the model without it, instead sending the plane inside the PacMin cutout foam, inside the shipping box.
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I think that the advice and information you've been given on here, is sound. A couple of months ago, I had a 1/100 Etihad A380 arrive with a broken tail plane. The seller (another DAC member) was not at fault. It was in its proper box, and within another box, which looked as though it had, had a very rough journey.

Luckily for me, it was a very clean break, and repaired just fine. It's not good that the seller of your 747 did not use the models proper box, particularly as he stated that he had it. That 747 is a very nice model, and I hope it gets repaired to your satisfaction.
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I would speak to Sydney aviation shop. They should be able to easily fix it

Great model though. I love my Dreamliner pacmin I have
Wow it's been a rough week for 1/100 KLM models going to Australia this week.. Didn't yours get roughed up too??
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Pacmin have changed the wing root design of their 744 models 2-3 times. You can see the difference here between this AI and BA model:






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I just shipped a 1/100 Virgin 744 across the pond,,,, hope it makes it safely!
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I just shipped a 1/100 Virgin 744 across the pond,,,, hope it makes it safely!
Me too......
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I just shipped a 1/100 Virgin 744 across the pond,,,, hope it makes it safely!
careful. it might crash into my boac 707 cargo!!!

well, that would make 3 klm's damaged in transit. my 1/100 klm 777 from crownvic had a broken stabiliser on receipt.
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When transporting Pacmins without boxes, its best to either find someone flying to where you are and ask them to bring it or have it sent via DHL/UPS/FedEx.

I'm also guessing this KLM 747 is of the Space Models 747 mold and made for Pacmin like the Pacmin KLM MD-11 that a fellow member in Holland now has with him. I guess Pacmin commissioned Space to make models destined for European airlines, thereby saving time and shipping.



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Here is Lance's 1/100 scale KLM B747 prior to being damaged in shipping...
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:19 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Ouch- what a shame. Still, it's an easy tail to repair with the white and a logo...

For those of you in the UK you should consider shipping models via Special Delivery. This gives you insurance. I bought a CitationX PacMin model on eBay a few years ago and it arrived with a broken tail. It was insured and the Royal Mail paid for the cost of the model on eBay. I had to send photos but the insurance covered it.

It could be that USPS / FedEx / UPS shipping options could also include optional insurance for damage. Worth asking the shipper and consider paying it.
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We always ship our models insured... The models 99 times out of 100 will arrive safely but the insurance is there to cover customers just incase.
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Wow it's been a rough week for 1/100 KLM models going to Australia this week.. Didn't yours get roughed up too??
Surely did Russ. I was devastated. As you can see from Sydney aviation shops photos it is a remarkable bird.
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Here is Lance's 1/100 scale KLM B747 prior to being damaged in shipping...
Is this a custom made model? Who's the manufacture on this 1/100 747-400? Are all their models available with gears?
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Is this a custom made model? Who's the manufacture on this 1/100 747-400? Are all their models available with gears?
yes, its a custom made by customizedairliners above. they offer added gear as an option. i also believe they are mahogany.
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Model looks beautiful, well shaped nose and cockpit area.I share your pain, I had a SpaceModels LH damaged the same way...it just brakes ones heart, it does...and makes me think twice before having something like this shipped next time
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Yes, thats a custom made model for myself. Cost a pretty penny.
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It did have its own box, but the seller sent the model without it, instead sending the plane inside the PacMin cutout foam, inside the shipping box.
Well you said it, sounds like the seller is held responsible and should be held accountable for making it correct for you. If there's a factory box and they decided not to use it that's pretty stupid. If you knowingly knew there was a box for this model why didn't you pursue why it wasn't shipped in it?
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Jeez, it does seem like a bad week for KLM models. Thankfully, it seems to have been insured, and the seller has filed a claim.

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Pacmin have changed the wing root design of their 744 models 2-3 times. You can see the difference here between this AI and BA model
Wow, the wings on this thing look positively primitive in comparison:







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Well you said it, sounds like the seller is held responsible and should be held accountable for making it correct for you. If there's a factory box and they decided not to use it that's pretty stupid. If you knowingly knew there was a box for this model why didn't you pursue why it wasn't shipped in it?
In any case, it's a bit too late to do anything about it now. Hopefully, the money from the insurance claim will be enough to cover the cost of repair. When I did put it back in the box though, even with all the PacMin foam inserts, the tail was pretty exposed, it was quite easy to see just why it had snapped off.
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Yup that KLM definitely seems to be a Space Models made Pacmin, the stand is also a giveaway. The door/window decals also seem to have been applied too far back as front wing root edge should not obstruct access to the L2 door which should be a little more forward as you can see in the Saudia 747 below. Its a great mold otherwise but decal placement could have been better.




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Honestly should be an easy self fix. Id still try to get some money for the damage but professorial repair??? I'm not even sure what that means.

Reattach, fill (if needed) and sand, tape off, respray (and maybe sand), decal, overcoat spray, polish
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Man, what a drag. It must be a real kick in the guts to open the box and find that. It’s either got to be bad luck or a packaging issue. I received a Pacmin QF 787 from DG in the USA just last week myself in perfect condition. I've bought a couple of models from DG and he always sends them in the original box and insured, or as in the case of this model, he double boxes them.
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I've built a couple of those Pacmin KLM's through the years and I have a spare set of tail logo's you can have(100% Pacmin) at no charge, just let me know and I'll drop it in the mail. pm me
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Is this a custom made model? Who's the manufacture on this 1/100 747-400? Are all their models available with gears?
Hi, all our custom models are made by us and yes gear is an option.
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Do you have more detail photos of your 1/100 747-400? Is this an injection resin mold?
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Our models are made of wood.
Everything is made as per customers requirements.
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I was hoping it would have been injected resin. I'll have to past on the idea of a wood carved model. In this stage for the prices that I'm willing to pay must be an injected resin mold only. Thanks
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I have been collecting 1/100 scale models for 30 plus years and have made the switch to accepting wood a few years ago.. In some cases they will give resin a run for the money..
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Seeing the close up photos, with special attention to the wing root attachment part, id say its resin....also, and I could be wrong, the whole mould looks too damn good to be wood, id say its resin.like Moin stated...as for wood, I know a guy in the Philippines doing them, my first wooden model was a Imperial Airlines Flying boat, and he kept receiving my emails, my drawings, my views on the subject and the model came out beautifully, and this was the only way to add this particular model to my collection.
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I was hoping it would have been injected resin. I'll have to past on the idea of a wood carved model. In this stage for the prices that I'm willing to pay must be an injected resin mold only. Thanks
With all do respect not all apples look the same.
Im happy to compare my models to any resin model going round and mine are way ahead in every aspect!
The detail I can replicate and add to the model just doesnt exist in resin models.
Any how good luck with your search!
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well, i have just 2 wood models. an ana 787 and b/cal 707. only got these as nothing else was available in resin, and price would have been HUGELY more expensive. the ana had it been pacmin would have been $1000.00 minimum. i paid about $300 (£180) from ARD, and b/cal just $160 (£100) from airspotters. the quality of wood models have come on leaps and bounds in last few years. and looking at them, you cannot tell its wood. both look superb imo.















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This is another of our wooden models....
1/100 scale Virgin Australia A330-200.
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Looks nice, whats the size limit on 1:200 models? There are a few I'd like..
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My favorite bit it the pitot tubes and the landing gear customized airliners does. Mind blowingly great.
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My favorite bit it the pitot tubes and the landing gear customized airliners does. Mind blowingly great.
Thanks Lance!
By the way what ended up happening with your model?
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I am still waiting to hear back.

How long would it take to fix the scratches and gear when (if I dont order a new one) I send it back?
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How long would it take to fix the scratches and gear when (if I dont order a new one) I send it back?
4 week turnaround to have it fixed.
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I must say that KLM is beautiful ! The blue still reminds me for what I'm looking for
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Old 12-08-2013, 12:01 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Here is Lance's 1/100 scale KLM B747 prior to being damaged in shipping...


wow this is amazing! how much does this go for? Would any custom 744 go for the same price?
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So, a few weeks ago, this 1:100 KLM 747-400 popped up on eBay, allegedly made by PacMin, and I absolutely had to jump on the chance to buy it. Unfortunately, the tail broke off while in transit...





Any ideas on what I should do now? Get it restored professionally? Superglue the tail back on, fill in the crack with putty, then touch it up with paint?


One other thing I would appreciate help with, since I'm quite inexperienced when it comes to collecting 1:100, is determining the authenticity of the model.

I had some doubts when I saw the shape of the wing root in person -



But it came with this sticker:



And this card:





Any advice/help would be greatly appreciated!
What a shame about your model. Its beautiful. I have one verysimilar to this and is very much treasured. One thing I have notice to be is that the pacmin boxes are not are safe as they are meant to be. I recently had a model come from Canada and the fin was broken in three places. I blame the boxes which needs to be re-designed.
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Old 12-08-2013, 09:20 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Hi Antonov225,

That's a nice KLM B747 model you have it's a shame that the tail section arrived broken off.

Whenever I ship PacMin models within their originally boxes, I placed them in a secondary box and add ample packing material (bubble wrap, shipping peanuts) within the rest of the secondary box, which helps reduce vibration during the shipping process.

As we all know, Post Office, FedEx, UPS, DHL staff around the world do not always handle collectible model airplanes with the best of care.

I sincerely hope that this model can be repaired/restored for you.

Best of luck with it.

Regards, Robert
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