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Old 06-09-2011, 11:45 AM   #51
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We'll I actually just got delivery of my Xplus VF-111 F-4B. I also have the following HM Phantoms, IAF F-4E, Robin Olds F-4C and a VF-84 F-4J.

I have to say that whilst the HM F-4's I own are not bad, I did find them a bit dissappointing compared to some of my other aircraft. Even compared to Hobby Masters own aircraft like the A-10, F-22 etc. I find them to be the weakest.

Reason being that they tampo printing is bland. There is no "no walk" and other decal noise as you would find on the real aircraft, they even have it on their other models.

The Xplus (I know it is more expensive), have all of this, and it looks so much better for it. The canopy is still slightly off, but at least it is possible to open and close front and back without having to swap the front out. Then the landing gear is using the CW style solid units and not the fiddly, infuriating mess that is the F-4 undercarriage that Hobby Master provides with their F-4's ships with.

Don't get me wrong, I love Hobby Master stuff and I have a bunch of HM stuff on order as I type here. But for me personally their F-4 is the weakest of all the HM models I own.

The XPlus version is superior, even if it uses the same or similar mould.

Just my 5 cents.

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Old 06-09-2011, 01:36 PM   #52
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Reading all the reviews on the XPlus model, I still have to wonder if it's worth the almost double price based on the few improvements made over the HM. I guess if you're fussy and a perfectionist, it would be. But it's not as if the HM model was really screwed up or cheap-looking. The difference isn't as dramatic as say the Corgi A-4 vs the HM A-4. Just minor points that add up to (possibly) a superior model...but that price, urg.
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Old 06-09-2011, 02:08 PM   #53
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theres no one model that looks like a real life aircraft...regarding painting, stickers or any detail....diecast models are in my opinion one of the most difficult material to duplicate with a real aircraft.....
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Reading all the reviews on the XPlus model, I still have to wonder if it's worth the almost double price based on the few improvements made over the HM. I guess if you're fussy and a perfectionist, it would be. But it's not as if the HM model was really screwed up or cheap-looking. The difference isn't as dramatic as say the Corgi A-4 vs the HM A-4. Just minor points that add up to (possibly) a superior model...but that price, urg.
I share your double price viewpoint. People have responded it's up to the collector to decide if Xplus is worth double the price of a HM.

A further question for these collectors may well be at what point do you consider it not worth the price - $200, $250, $500, $1000 even?
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theres no one model that looks like a real life aircraft...regarding painting, stickers or any detail....diecast models are in my opinion one of the most difficult material to duplicate with a real aircraft.....
I think it is possible. Manufacturers aren't making it because the price of such a realistic model will be beyond the reach of the majority of collectors. Despite someone posting if you can't afford it then don't buy, it is the majority of collectors who manufacturers rely on for their bread and butter. Without this majority manufacturers will go bankrupt very soon taking this hobby with them
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Old 06-09-2011, 07:55 PM   #56
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it seems that even in UK, there is a shortage of HM Sundowners from dealers according to a forum Ive visited.....it just shows that this model is in high demand by collectors...better not wait or postpone from buying it if you really wanted it....
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Indeed, there's virtually nowhere in the UK to purchase the F-4 Sundowner. I've known several collectors having to get theirs from Holland.

It hasn't been released in the USA yet. Interesting to see how it pans out there.
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its been sold out since a week ago.....just shows how popular this livery has been...
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One has been sold on evil bay for £60. That's £20 above retail. Another is currently on auction. I believe the real test will be how it sells in the US. If the same happens there we can be looking at another Showtime 100.
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.....and not even a month old after releases in the hobbyshops...HMs F-4B seems to start getting scarce and drives the price in a few months sky-high at Ebay. I guess its the price that made the collectors a run for this paticular model which was very cheap compared to xplus for the same livery of the Sundowners. It looks like...thanks to the exorbitant xplus price that makes HMs F-4 even more popular and soon be rare and expensive to get......I can hardly imagine collectors falling in line to purchase and pay !00 euros for an xplus F-4 and pleading for more... and just 42 euros for an Hm......just my opinion tho...

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Old 06-19-2011, 12:40 PM   #61
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It's too early to conclude anything on Xplus. Your earlier posting was spot on with the popularity of the livery explaining the success of HM's version. My posting was off the back of that suggesting another Showtime 100 situation.

Xplus has not reached the shores of every country yet. Notably Europe and America. If Xplus Phantoms are still sitting on shelves in a year's time then we may conclude something.

In my opinion I don't think Xplus will be a volume manufacturer as HM is. The average price of a Xplus is too high for the mainstream collector. You and me for example. Xplus is likely to be a niche brand. Extremely few models released and those that are will (or should) be of a premium quality. I will be surprised if Xplus releases another mould next year. More likely Xplus will be churning out different Phantom liveries for a few years.

Assuming CW exists as a separate range, the money will be made here. The A-7, A-6, F-8, F-14 and SR-71 can go on for a while. Perhaps consider adding types like the U-2. Also assuming QC issues aren't their achilles heel. I do feel for Shawn at getting another faulty Tomcatter.
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[QUOTE=Eagle Driver;Assuming CW exists as a separate range, the money will be made here. The A-7, A-6, F-8, F-14 and SR-71 can go on for a while. Perhaps consider adding types like the U-2. Also assuming QC issues aren't their achilles heel. I do feel for Shawn at getting another faulty Tomcatter.[/QUOTE]
I really share the feelings of Shawn....so happy and eager to order the said model and turns out to be a big disappointment. It would be rather nice if he ever hears from the dealer or manufacturer and willing to get a new one for the second time or get a refund, but i put my doubts on it...Ive never heard or read of CW giving attention to any complains or replacing any damaged parts...its really disgusting....

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