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Old 08-02-2021, 04:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So, a group of photos of Hobby Master's first Su-30SM's per-production model has just been released.

https://hobbymastercollector.com/index.php/ha9501/





The good news is, apparently the front landing gear has been adjusted to a more accurate angle.


The bad news is, for those who want an accurately forged and painted Su-30SM, there are still a hefty amount of issues to be ironed out.













  • First of all, from what I can tell, the pitot tube seen on the original aircraft is supposed to be completely colored grey, it doesn't have the white tips seen on the per-production model.
  • The sliver stripes found on the intakes are too short, they should extend higher.
  • The right wingtip is supposed to be light blue, not grey as seen on the per-production model.
  • The area in front of the air brake is not detailed properly.
  • The tip of the stinger is supposed to be blue, not white.
  • The darker blue section on the left side of the cockpit is incorrect, it should extend all the way to the top of the fuselage instead of ending at the canopy.
  • The darker blue sections on the outer surface of the rudders are both incorrectly shaped.


Last but not least, it looks like the air brake on this one is not interchangeable either, much like the Su-33/J-15 castings by HM.
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Last but not least, it looks like the air brake on this one is not interchangeable either, much like the Su-33/J-15 castings by HM.
I actually consider this a good thing. The interchangeable air brakes never sit flush when closed and it annoys me.
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Old 08-04-2021, 08:42 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Last but not least, it looks like the air brake on this one is not interchangeable either, much like the Su-33/J-15 castings by HM.
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I actually consider this a good thing. The interchangeable air brakes never sit flush when closed and it annoys me.

One of the great strengths of this forum is the wide variety of opinions. So I have very different opinion. Deleted air brake on SU-30SM annoys me. No, I´m piss*d off! With deleted air brake, HM managed to make the biggest piece of crap I've ever seen from this SU-30SM mold.

I actually consider this is one of the HobbyMaster´s dirtiest fouls ever. Air brake was present on prototype mold, and from some ill, silly, moronic, completely mindless or money-grabbing reasons they omitted it on pre-pro. Why exactly?


For years, Hobby Master absolutely don´t care about those horrible horizontal nose division lines on Mig-25s, F-15s, on all Sukhois, Migs etc., not speaking about the nightmarish pilot figures. They are not ashamed to make Phantoms and F-104 etc. with their truly inferior awful intake gaps. F-104 nose cone / pitot tube transition is nothing but mockery. And now, sissies in HM will care about shape fluency?

If HobbyMaster is not skilled enough to be able to make such a basic feature like fluently sitting air brake flush, they really should learn from JCW / Witty, or AVIC how to make diecast models! See photos below.
I really don´t understand how HM can make opening canopies (...plastic on metal) to sit flush when closed, and they have problems to make air brakes (plastic on metal in similar size) so that some collectors are annoyed? Me not, to say it loud and clear.

So what will be next? This is the way to hell. If everytime when HM is not able or refuse to make something correctly, they just omit it? "If we are not able / too lazy / incompetent / too greedy to make some feature, lets simply skip it! Buyers like flock of sheeps swallow anything...." Missing HUDs are example....

I´m upset like never. I have amost all my Flankers displayed with deployed air brakes, because this feature simply gives them that special magic, its one of the most distinctive features on Su-30SM (and other Flankers).

So, Bravo Hobbymaster! You´ve reached another depth of mediocricity. But main thing you accomplished - you´ve saved another money for yourself! But we, slowly and continuously, are robbed of model beauty.
















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Old 08-04-2021, 09:51 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Yes, i certainly agree with you Ladia. I must admit the opening airbrake on the JC Wings Flankers are a damn big plus to these models, which add a great deal to the overall appeal of them. Yep. Pretty rubbish that HM refuse to do the same on theirs. Does not surprise me though, unfortunately.
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One of the great strengths of this forum is the wide variety of opinions. So I have very different opinion. Deleted air brake on SU-30SM annoys me. No, I´m piss*d off! With deleted air brake, HM managed to make the biggest piece of crap I've ever seen from this SU-30SM mold.

I actually consider this is one of the HobbyMaster´s dirtiest fouls ever. Air brake was present on prototype mold, and from some ill, silly, moronic, completely mindless or money-grabbing reasons they omitted it on pre-pro. Why exactly?
Calm down Ladia, I can pretty much guarantee it wasn’t a personal attack against you. In the past, I tried to get HM to delete it’s optional position airbrake from a jet tooling and failed. I can’t remember which one - it may have been the Su-27. The reason was because the F-15 airbrake is often a poor fit in the closed position. William said that he was sure they’d be able to do it well, so I dropped the subject. My guess, since this came up after the prototype shots were released, is that this was done in response to a collector request. In fact someone who’s a big Flanker fan. So no, not a “mindless, moronic . . .”, but a response to a request. Definitely not a request from me though, I have my hands full with other stuff. HM responding to collectors is a double-edged sword.

IIRC, in the conversation I had, he did say that if I didn’t like the result, the tooling could be modified. I’m sure that their Su-30 tooling can also be modified if enough collectors complain.
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IIRC, in the conversation I had, he did say that if I didn’t like the result, the tooling could be modified. I’m sure that their Su-30 tooling can also be modified if enough collectors complain.

I would like to spread this information to all diecast world! To all diecast forums, all diecast facebook groups, to every single diecast collector!

I wish EVERY SU-30SM fan would send an email to William on [email protected] or [email protected] with request to make air brake as a separate piece on SU-30SM (2-position air brake respectively).


While I generally can agree that less parts is better, for sure there are few exceptions. While movable rudders or movable flaps might be generally considered as redundant on diecast models, features like dorsal air brakes, folding wings / stabilators on carrier based aircraft should really be present on the models, so as openable canopies are. At least in the form of 2-position features.
Especially in case of Flanker as Flankers with deployed air brakes look undeniably sexy.

For sure, it also on depends on Hobby Master tooling / production precision. As I mentioned before, generally Hobby Master can make almost perfect canopy fit. Exceptions exist, but on most models there is really nothing to complain in the canopy fit area. For manufacturer with such a wast experience in diecast manufacture there really shouldn´t be problem to make dorsal brake flush, with nice and smooth fit. Other diecast manus (Witty, AVIC) have mastered it perfectly as photos above show, so why not HM?

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And separately on personal note:

Of course I´m still totally pis*ed off about this air brake!!! I´ve been emotionally stricken!
But not from any personal attacks - this actually even never crossed my mind, but by the sheer fact that HM wants to delete air brake, one of most attractive SU-30SM features, that was already present on the prototype.

Of course there are many different opinions about it, and all can be voiced here ... even the weird ones (such as wanting to delete air brake - just joking ...). I know you are among those who do care about how the coming HM models will look, Adour, and credits to you for it. So hoping its not all definitely lost with the air brake.


P.S.
My despair got much better yesterday with the news that Panzerkampf will make the SU-30
.... with deployable air brake!
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Sounds like a win for both of us. I can get the Hobby Master one and you can get another brand.
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