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Old 06-24-2021, 12:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default HM Su-27SKM, "305", Paris Airshow, 2005, HA6012

Attractive livery, anyway Hobby Master should really make themselves clear which model they actually want to release!





... because this "305" Su-27SKM didn´t have formation lights under the canopy and on the tails in Le Bourget, nor in MAKS in 2005.
It is well documented in many sources.
With formation lights, HA6012 will probably still be an attractive model, but not model of absolute sensation of 2005 LeBourget and MAKS, and surely not from 2005:



Oldest photo of "305" with formation lights is only from 2009 on Airliners.net.


"305" image from 2015 with formation lights: https://www.airplane-pictures.net/ph...eg-number-305/




Also, looking at HM artwork, the IRST size and position indicates that Hobby Master probably thinks that IRST is just forward of the cockpit as the first Flankers had. Anyway, "305" Su-27SKM had IRST offset to the right, and much bigger in size than HM artwork shows!





Last but not least: JfHMi (just for HM information) - "305" Su-27SKM also had digital cockpit, not the traditional cockpit of the first Su-27´s: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...i_Su-27SKM.jpg



And small notice for Hobby Master:
305 is not "Blue 305". Its "Grey 305"!
Look at it from whichever angle you want, its always grey ..... even on HM artwork above

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Old 07-29-2021, 02:39 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The only diecast for No.305 I can remember is the one from Witty Wings several years ago. It has the IRST module positioned incorrectly in the center.

I think we need not to worry about the positioning of the IRST on this one. Since HM managed to get it correct on the Su-27SM models they made. I'm pretty sure they can get the one for the SKM correct as well.

Personally I think it's not worth making a fuss over the 2D art they released, these are usually inaccurate, like with the one for the Russian Knights Su-35S.

I really have no idea why it's referred to as "Blue 305" this time, everytime I heard about this particular jet it's always "Black 305".

Anyway, I'm kinda excited that HM is finally making this model. This camo scheme is my second favourite from the Su-27 lineup, behind only the Ukrainian digital camouflage.
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Old 07-29-2021, 04:45 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I think we need not to worry about the positioning of the IRST on this one. Since HM managed to get it correct on the Su-27SM models they made. I'm pretty sure they can get the one for the SKM correct as well.

Personally I think it's not worth making a fuss over the 2D art they released, these are usually inaccurate, like with the one for the Russian Knights Su-35S.
Welcome to the forum, WENth100!

Having your account here already since Dec. 2020 I´d say you are definitely not a newbie, so you probably know how extremely bad is HM in new models and new color schemes research and preparation job. And that you probably also know that many mistakes - completely unnecessary/ easily avoidable mistakes - were made only from bad / lazy / botched or even fully omitted HM research. And pointing out errors on HM artworks is one of the few ways we have when trying to get our models right. Commenting mistakes on pre-pros is very often too late. Sometimes you even get reply from HM: "Sorry, the model is already produced" in the same or on next day after the pre-pro images were released. But even when there is theoretically still time to take action between pre-pro and production, the pad printing plates for example are already produced for the wrong tampos, so there are already costs being spent which HM definitely don´t want to throw away, and they'd rather release model with errors then to make another correct pad printing plates.


Honestly, I don´t know how important is artwork for manufacturing process in HM. But its much wiser to assume that its a reference point for many HM people in production (which I do believe it really is, otherwise HM would not bother to make them and would release monthly posters with photos of real birds instead of artworks). And I would even say that the same person who makes these artworks (graphic designer) is also preparing graphics for tampoprints, and much more.


All I want to say is that there are many good reasons to pointing out errors, even on HM artworks. I believe in HM its not like: Ok, artwork done (only for monthly release posters purposes), and now lets forget it and start on new model preparation without this artwork. The latter doesn't make sense to me. So for collectors who do care about how will their favourite model look like its much better to contact HM in case of clear errors, and even in case of having doubts.
Years of experience have proven that active informing / requesting HM by collectors is the big - if not the only one - factor to reduce the number of mistakes on HM models.


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Anyway, I'm kinda excited that HM is finally making this model. This camo scheme is my second favourite from the Su-27 lineup .....
I can only agree...
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Old 07-29-2021, 08:58 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Having your account here already since Dec. 2020 I´d say you are definitely not a newbie
Actually I do kinda consider myself a newbie, my collection is limited to mostly HM with a few Calibre Wings models. And I don't really consider myself a hardcore collector. I usually just grab whichever model that I find appealing, even Tiger Meet ones which most consider less valuable. And often times if the mistakes are minor enough I'll just overlook them. I just try to convince myself not to be a perfectionist, otherwise I'll never be satisfied.

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so you probably know how extremely bad is HM in new models and new color schemes research and preparation job
Actually I'm kinda aware of that. I'm looking at my Su-57 and Su-33 right now. These are the 2 with the most amount of mistakes I can find.

Another thing is the only a handful of brands I know of are actually better than HM. And they don't have as many castings as HM does. For many aircraft models it's either HM or cheaper ones like JC Wings, Air Force 1 or Herpa, and my single AF1 model told me that you get what you pay for. So I kinda grew to accept the amount of quality HM offers. If there are better brands out there, definitely let me know. Especially the ones that makes Flankers as a decent chunk of my collection consist of them.

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Honestly, I don´t know how important is artwork for manufacturing process in HM. But its much wiser to assume that its a reference point for many HM people in production (which I do believe it really is, otherwise HM would not bother to make them and would release monthly posters with photos of real birds instead of artworks). And I would even say that the same person who makes these artworks (graphic designer) is also preparing graphics for tampoprints, and much more.
Good point actually, it's just that personally I always found that the 2D graphics HM produces come off as rather lazy. A lot of the time they use the same template when there are no major differences between models, and even outright omit major details, such as with their Russian Knight Su-35S (a large part of the dorsal surface which is supposed to be dark blue they left white) or the prototype Su-34 (a large amount of minor details were missing).

But still I kinda find it impressive that you guys can spot the little differences and mistakes most of us "normies" simply overlook. Thanks a lot for keeping our diecasts accurate!
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Old 07-29-2021, 02:31 PM   #5 (permalink)
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But still I kinda find it impressive that you guys can spot the little differences and mistakes most of us "normies" simply overlook. Thanks a lot for keeping our diecasts accurate!

Naah, I can only help where I can.
Credits go to all the collectors who contact Hobby Master and request those changes !
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