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Old 03-03-2021, 10:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Looking for opinions on the best overall Enola Gay and Bockscar B-29s. I know both Dragon and Corgi made 1/144s of these. I assume top honors would be between these two, but which one?
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I only have Enola Gay, one of those is enough. IMHO Dragon wins hands down. The Corgi tooling is gappy and crude. However Dragon painted the name on both sides, so you’ll have to get the non-acetone nail polish remover out and exercise a bit of care. Worth it though. Corgi has great looking, but completely fictitious de-icing boots, which would be a hell of a lot more to get rid of. My memory is hazy as to whether or not Dragon provided the radar. Mine doesn’t seem to have one (the box is buried somewhere in the loft), and I can’t find pictures with one. However, people assure me that their copies have the radar. Corgi certainly has the radar.

https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...-drw51001.html

Actually, looking at SKF’s pictures, Dragon did do the radar but it seems it can’t be displayed on the stand with it fitted. I’m not convinced it’s the right colour either - but at least it’s there.
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I need check my corgi production list
but I think they released 3x b29 enola gay over time.
This would be a good subject for corgi to do in 1/72.
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I only have Enola Gay, one of those is enough. IMHO Dragon wins hands down. The Corgi tooling is gappy and crude. However Dragon painted the name on both sides, so you’ll have to get the non-acetone nail polish remover out and exercise a bit of care. Worth it though. Corgi has great looking, but completely fictitious de-icing boots, which would be a hell of a lot more to get rid of. My memory is hazy as to whether or not Dragon provided the radar. Mine doesn’t seem to have one (the box is buried somewhere in the loft), and I can’t find pictures with one. However, people assure me that their copies have the radar. Corgi certainly has the radar.

https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...-drw51001.html

Actually, looking at SKF’s pictures, Dragon did do the radar but it seems it can’t be displayed on the stand with it fitted. I’m not convinced it’s the right colour either - but at least it’s there.
Yeah, I've been looking at some Dragon vs. Corgi photos online and the Dragon definitely does look more refined. I guess this is one model where you have to have one of those Flightpose stands to allow for the radar on the belly. And I guess you can display kit Portside out to hide the starboard name—pretty lame. I don't think I trust myself around nail polish!
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Here i am with my inevitable 1/72 b29 comment. Maybe wishing for corgi to make it is unrealistic... but... af1?
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Here i am with my inevitable 1/72 b29 comment. Maybe wishing for corgi to make it is unrealistic... but... af1?
Yeah, the size of the panel lines and rivets make the AF1 a deal breaker for me. Plus, I'm not too sure of what to make of the oversized "Little Boy"—unless you use a Flighpose stand or go wheels down.
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I just noticed a fairly silly but not immediately obvious error on the DW Enola Gay #51001 (unless they fixed it for the production models, which I doubt). I have a feeling many folks may not have noticed it. Can you spot it in the photo below?

They seem to have corrected it for Bockscar #51002.
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No one? Besides that mistake, Bockscar also correctly does not have the name on both sides like the Enola Gay does. I think if you were to get only one of these Dragon releases, Bockscar would be my choice. However, the bonehead thing I do see with Bockscar is that Fat Man is not painted yellow but green! How on earth do you overlook that? Guess I'll be displayin' bomb bay doors closed. !
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Should be no smoking within 100 feet I think. No problem because the closed nose gear doors aren’t stencilled and I’m a gear up guy.

You could try re-painting Fat Man. I far prefer the Enola Gay since the second mission was a bit of a self-inflicted disaster. After all the effort putting together and training the 509th, it really wasn’t a very impressive performance. Now that’s not my analysis, you just have to read Paul Tibbets’ comments.
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Should be no smoking within 100 feet I think. No problem because the closed nose gear doors aren’t stencilled and I’m a gear up guy.

You could try re-painting Fat Man. I far prefer the Enola Gay since the second mission was a bit of a self-inflicted disaster. After all the effort putting together and training the 509th, it really wasn’t a very impressive performance. Now that’s not my analysis, you just have to read Paul Tibbets’ comments.
Bingo! "...WITH IN..."

I do see the closed doors are not stenciled. Another mistake—they're supposed to be the same doors. The closed ones are stenciled on Bockscar.

I'm not intimately familiar with the missions. I will read up on them. It just seems like the Enola Gay model has errors that were fixed for the Bockscar release.

I could try painting Fat Man, but I would likely close the doors anyway.
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The book you want is “Flight of The Enola Gay” by non other than Paul Tibbets. That gives an excellent “at the time” view because Tibbets was kind of frozen in time. Certainly they picked the right man for the job. Of course other perspectives have changed, and other knowledge of the politics and science has come to light that he didn’t have back in the day.
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The book you want is “Flight of The Enola Gay” by non other than Paul Tibbets. That gives an excellent “at the time” view because Tibbets was kind of frozen in time. Certainly they picked the right man for the job. Of course other perspectives have changed, and other knowledge of the politics and science has come to light that he didn’t have back in the day.
Not a cheap book! I just put in an offer on EBay. I noticed there’s also, “Return Of The Enola Gay,” also by Tibbets.
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Not a cheap book! I just put in an offer on EBay. I noticed there’s also, “Return Of The Enola Gay,” also by Tibbets.
It says “Return of The Enola Gay” is the revised and updated version. Not sure what the changes are, but maybe that’s the one to go for now.
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It says “Return of The Enola Gay” is the revised and updated version. Not sure what the changes are, but maybe that’s the one to go for now.
Thanks, just ordered a used copy from Amazon. Suddenly I’m rather intrigued with the whole subject.
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Thanks, just ordered a used copy from Amazon. Suddenly I’m rather intrigued with the whole subject.
The other thing is the nose-art on these, of which my understanding is this. Enola Gay was added right before the mission when Tibbets took over Lewis’ aeroplane - but at least it was there for the mission.

Bockscar was at least partially added after the mission. Some sources state it was all added post-mission. I don’t know about that. I’m not sure what art was on it for the mission, as I say I’m not an expert. It was Charlie Bock’s aeroplane, and apparently known as Bockscar already - so I guess the name may have been on it, perhaps. The press thought it was The Great Artiste (there had been an aircraft swap), and it was the side numbers that were used to differentiate between them. That doesn’t sound like any art at all to me. If you look at the art, it was at the very least tweaked post-mission because how else could Nagasaki get on it?

Whatever the case, at the very least the full Bockscar nose-art isn’t what was on the aeroplane when it dropped Fat Man. To my way of thinking, that’s an important consideration.

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The other thing is the nose-art on these, of which my understanding is this. Enola Gay was added right before the mission when Tibbets took over Lewis’ aeroplane - but at least it was there for the mission.

Bockscar was at least partially added after the mission. Some sources state it was all added post-mission. I don’t know about that. I’m not sure what art was on it for the mission, as I say I’m not an expert. It was Charlie Bock’s aeroplane, and apparently known as Bockscar already - so I guess the name may have been on it, perhaps. The press thought it was The Great Artiste (there had been an aircraft swap), and it was the side numbers that were used to differentiate between them. That doesn’t sound like any art at all to me. If you look at the art, it was at the very least tweaked post-mission because how else could Nagasaki get on it?

Whatever the case, at the very least the full Bockscar nose-art isn’t what was on the aeroplane when it dropped Fat Man. To my way of thinking, that’s an important consideration.
Well, well, well, you are absolutely right! The nose art was added after the mission!

This from Wiki:

“After the war, Bockscar returned to the United States in November 1945. In September 1946, it was given to the National Museum of the United States Air Force at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio. The aircraft was flown to the museum on 26 September 1961, and its original markings were restored (nose art was added after the mission).”

Official USAAF photo dated 11 August 1945, two days after mission shows the aircraft with no nose art:
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As I said, I’d already ruled out Bockscar in favour of the Enola Gay. That photograph seals it for me. I want the atomic bombing mission appearance otherwise what’s the point?
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As I said, I’d already ruled out Bockscar in favour of the Enola Gay. That photograph seals it for me. I want the atomic bombing mission appearance otherwise what’s the point?
I see your point.
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As I said, I’d already ruled out Bockscar in favour of the Enola Gay. That photograph seals it for me. I want the atomic bombing mission appearance otherwise what’s the point?
However, on second thought the second bomb mission is the one that officially ended the war. So, my thinking is, display the Enola in flight, and display Bocks wheels down as it displays today at the National Museum of the United States Air Force, Dayton, Ohio?
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There is that. Not for me though. I’m very much into the “authentic for the operation” look for my collection, so I’d have to scrub the art and really can’t be bothered. Besides, one A-bomber is sufficient in my collection.
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There is that. Not for me though. I’m very much into the “authentic for the operation” look for my collection, so I’d have to scrub the art and really can’t be bothered. Besides, one A-bomber is sufficient in my collection.
Yeah, I hear ya, one of any mold is normally enough for me.
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