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Old 01-25-2021, 11:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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As much as i love the HM F-101 Voodoo`s, i would dearly wish to have some single seat early models. But more than anything, i would like HM or someone to produce the RF-101C versions. Especially the aircraft that took part in `Operation Sun-Run`. On Nov. 27, 1957, four USAF pilots of the 363rd Tactical Reconnaissance Wing successfully completed Operation Sun Run by establishing three new transcontinental speed records in a McDonnell RF-101C aircraft.

I think these schemes are really excellent. I have a Valom RF-101C ready to be built, though i`m not looking forward to masking the stripes! I hope someone picks up on this particular version soon. (I`ve e-mailed HM today to see if they will be producing these in the future). Fingers crossed.

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Old 01-25-2021, 03:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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As much as i love the HM F-101 Voodoo`s, i would dearly wish to have some single seat early models. But more than anything, i would like HM or someone to produce the RF-101C versions. Especially the aircraft that took part in `Operation Sun-Run`. On Nov. 27, 1957, four USAF pilots of the 363rd Tactical Reconnaissance Wing successfully completed Operation Sun Run by establishing three new transcontinental speed records in a McDonnell RF-101C aircraft.

I think these schemes are really excellent. I have a Valom RF-101C ready to be built, though i`m not looking forward to masking the stripes! I hope someone picks up on this particular version soon. (I`ve e-mailed HM today to see if they will be producing these in the future). Fingers crossed.

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Old 01-25-2021, 08:01 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Great wish, Carlo!

There are always discussions about which Voodoo is more popular among modellers - if the one with conventional radome, or the pointy and sleek recce version.
As for me, I have not a single "radome" Voodoo (and never want one), but would buy RF-101C in a heartbeat! Many of them.

Recce Voodoos have so much more of a history over all the "B" versions, but for profit oriented Hobby Master is crucial how many colors / schemes / releases they can make from this mold. Number of possible releases including available decals is something you should thoroughly proof to HM to support making RF-101C when considering the profitability of the mold.

Also, I would highly recommend you to research/find and already now to suggest to HM the most accurate plastic kit they can buy and copy, as HM is known to always have "very bad luck" in choosing the most mediocre plastic kit with many mistakes as a base of their new molds. By choosing the correct kit right now you can probably completely avoid this hapless Hobby Master´s "feature".


To help a bit, here is excellent, useful and very informative guide including measurements and hi-res photos of some of the differences between F-101B and RF-101C - credits to Michael Benolkin from Cybermodeler:
https://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraf...101_tale.shtml
Anyway good RF-101C plastic kit should include all of these differencies.


As for the schemes, I would instantly buy this:



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This is probably RF-101A.
Would probably need deeper research, or maybe someone knows by heart, but this is what I´ve briefly found about RF-101A / RF-101C differences:
- There were no external differences between F-101A and F-101C
- Using the (reinforced) airframe of the F-101C, the RF-101C first flew on .....
- The RF-101C was very similar to the RF-101A ...... it featured the higher G-load (airframe) of the F-101C and cooling scoops in the tail which would allow for extended afterburner use (> 2 minutes) without cooking off the drogue chute.

Sources:
http://vietnam.warbirdsresourcegroup...operation.html
https://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraf...101_tale.shtml

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Old 01-26-2021, 12:56 PM   #4 (permalink)
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As for me, I have not a single "radome" Voodoo (and never want one), but would buy RF-101C in a heartbeat! Many of them.

Recce Voodoos have so much more of a history over all the "B" versions, but for profit oriented Hobby Master is crucial how many colors / schemes / releases they can make from this mold. Number of possible releases including available decals is something you should thoroughly proof to HM to support making RF-101C when considering the profitability of the mold.

Also, I would highly recommend you to research/find and already now to suggest to HM the most accurate plastic kit they can buy and copy, as HM is known to always have "very bad luck" in choosing the most mediocre plastic kit with many mistakes as a base of their new molds. By choosing the correct kit right now you can probably completely avoid this hapless Hobby Master´s "feature".
Yes i agree totally with you. I`ve always liked the chisel nosed recce version over the other variants, although i would like to have some of the earlier versions to compliment my 1950`s USAF collection too. I have no detailed plans of the Voodoo myself but the Valom kit i have looks pretty good to me. Though i`m no expert on this aircraft, and i`m not sure on the accuracy of this kit without further research. I`ll have a look at the Cybermodeller site when i have time. Cheers for the info. There are certainly a great deal of schemes out there for the RF model to keep them in production for a while.
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Old 01-27-2021, 11:02 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Voodoo, you say? Well, let this self-confessed Internet medicine man join the discussion!

I’ve always been a fan of this aircraft , ever since seeing the F-101B at a USAF museum. It was ahead of its time , and contributed much to the defense of North America and US forces in Southeast Asia. How ironic that so few aviation fans know of her!

Anyways, back to the topic of the models. After reading some books about them, believe it or not the variants are actually quite distinct- although they don’t look it. For example, the F-101C has a different tail configuration from the F-101A, and the RF-101s have a different intake configuration from the F-101A and F101C. Some F-101Cs had a cannon removed with avionics substituted- but only in certain units like the one then-Colonel Robin Olds commanded.

The F-101B is longer than the single seat variants, and even within this group the EF-101 used in Canada is differently configured then the normal Air Defense versions. Then there’s the RF-101H, which HobbyMaster is releasing soon and incorrectly has a weapons bay & missiles equipped!

Which underscores what a nightmare making these would probably be logistically. One cannot just make an RF-101 mould and swap the noses for an accurate F-101C. In turn, one can’t make an F-101C single seat and simply change parts to make it an F-101A.
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Anyways, back to the topic of the models. After reading some books about them, believe it or not the variants are actually quite distinct- although they don’t look it. For example, the F-101C has a different tail configuration from the F-101A, and the RF-101s have a different intake configuration from the F-101A and F101C. Some F-101Cs had a cannon removed with avionics substituted- but only in certain units like the one then-Colonel Robin Olds commanded.

The F-101B is longer than the single seat variants, and even within this group the EF-101 used in Canada is differently configured then the normal Air Defense versions. Then there’s the RF-101H, which HobbyMaster is releasing soon and incorrectly has a weapons bay & missiles equipped!

Which underscores what a nightmare making these would probably be logistically. One cannot just make an RF-101 mould and swap the noses for an accurate F-101C. In turn, one can’t make an F-101C single seat and simply change parts to make it an F-101A.
Wow. I never knew there were so many differences between them! Excellent stuff Silversmok. I guess the only thing to hope for, is to begin with the variant with the most schemes/markings. (If only to boost the manufacturers profits), and start from there. There seems to be a lot of excitement and interest in the `RF` variants, from what i`m reading on this forum at least.

I`ve been taking a quick look at the various kit`s on offer that manufacturers could base their RF-101`s on and most have faults in some way. Interestingly the old Hasegawa kit comes out quite well, albeit slightly basic.

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Carlo4, from what I can tell the variant with the most schemes and markings is the F-101B. Unfortunately, this is basically a distinct aircraft from the F/RF-101A & C.

Fun fact- McDonnell initially proposed a designation of F-109 for the F-101B on account of how many substantial changes were made compared to the F-101A. The USAF vetoed that designation for funding reasons- it was easier politically to get Congress to pay for a modified F-101, instead of a totally new airplane.

So for model makers, it’s basically one or the other. Unfortunately I’m not sure there’s a business case for producing both F-101B and the single seat versions at the same time. I suspect it’ll be like the F-105, where changing the version means converting irrevocably to a different mould and production line.
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So for model makers, it’s basically one or the other. Unfortunately I’m not sure there’s a business case for producing both F-101B and the single seat versions at the same time. I suspect it’ll be like the F-105, where changing the version means converting irrevocably to a different mould and production line.
Yeah. I agree. I`m pretty patient. Knowing my luck though, i`ll probably just have my kit finished when they`ll come out with them! Interesting about the F-109. I`ll have to read up on them. Cheers!
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