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Old 10-18-2020, 03:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello all,

I could not figure out what was bothering me about the HM A-10C, but then I realized it is because the Hawg is just simply too clean. I am beginning to think I should try to add my own weathering around the gun area since HM will never do it due to quality control issues.

I honestly have no idea where to start with this. I have never really tampered with an HM model in any way, but I am starting to change my tune. What have you all done that has proven worthwhile? Has anyone attempted this before?

I am try to mainly focus on the A-10s gun exhaust weathering as seen below.

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I’m no expert. Most of my weathering has been on 1/32 and 1/48 models. I’ve found that such pristine large models look even “worse” than their 1/72 cousins. My advice is start small and work up to big. Do it in stages - which is how it happens in real life. I’ve tried using washes, but found them relatively unrealistic. I prefer Tamiya Weathering Master sets. If you screw up and haven’t left them on too long then they wipe off with a wet rag. I recommend set B which contains “soot”, or set D which contains “oil stain”. I don’t find them that different. Do read the instructions and watch a youtube video or two. It’s not that hard.
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I use the dry brush method quite a bit on most of mine, and i prefer enamels for this personally. I use washes mainly to accentuate panel lines. I would highly, highly recommend buying a cheap built kit/die-cast from e-bay or similar and practice on that until you are happy to apply your results to a loved model. If you leave the paint too long to dry before wiping off, you may have to use spirits to remove it. Beware. This can leave your beloved diecast with a glossy patch where the spirits have also removed the top varnished coat. Okay if you have a gloss finish. Not good if your aircraft has a Matt finish! So definitely practice on something you`re not bothered about.

Remember. Practice makes perfect! and Good luck. A well weathered aircraft model looks awesome.
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I am try to mainly focus on the A-10s gun exhaust weathering as seen below.
Look at the photo and See how the gun exhaust has also discolored the panels and panel lines too. It`s not black, just a slightly darker shade of grey. If i was to weather this myself i would start by getting the closest shade of grey i could to the model. Then i`d mix a very small amount of black with the grey until i get the contrast just right. (I start with a matching grey so the `shade` is correct. If you used just any dark grey it may look wrong: say too much blue in it or not, as the case may be).

I would then `dry brush` in and just around the panel lines until i`m happy with the result as it looks in the photo. When it`s dry i would add the darker soot from the exhaust over that, using the photo as a guide. As Adour says: "start small" and build up.

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I just use the black and oiled earth acrylic washes from Vallejo on my HM planes. it works beautifully
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Il use Weathering master. It work great for exhaust and other things.



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Old 10-18-2020, 02:31 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Diecast models weathering actually looks quite easy ... at least on videos by insiders who know:

A step by step "weathering" tutorial by Calibre Wings.


Side note:
Own weathering - and generally any mod to a diecast model - usually increases personal satisfaction with the model, the drawback is that every own weathering and generally any modification from standard production usually also substantially decreases collector´s value and selling price of such model in case collector wants to sell it one day. With this I´m not saying that own weathering is a bad thing, I personally prefer weathered models too, just that its good to know and consider all aspects...

Anyway, looking forward to photos of your weathered A-10
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Thank you all very much for the wonderful advice. I look forward to trying my hand at this. I will probably try it on a cheaper plastic model, then work my way up to one of my beloved HM A-10s. Thank you all again!
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If you can get a pilot liquid ink pen with an 0.5 size ball point, you can get some really nice weathering on that A-10. I'll find the link to a thread i started several years back.

Found it!
https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...eathering.html
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Old 11-21-2020, 06:43 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I started my own weathering of my HM models when I purchased them. I didn't use any online tutorials'but just did them using my own weathering imagination.
I've done these models as I went along and I'll see if I can post pics of them in time. Just means having to get them out've their individual boxes. Glad to see I wasn't the only one who contemplated weathering my own models. These are the ones I've weathered so far:

Corgi Bucc. Grey one
Mirage 2000 Desert Storm
Greek F-4
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I started my own weathering of my HM models when I purchased them. I didn't use any online tutorials'but just did them using my own weathering imagination.
I've done these models as I went along and I'll see if I can post pics of them in time. Just means having to get them out've their individual boxes. Glad to see I wasn't the only one who contemplated weathering my own models. These are the ones I've weathered so far:

Corgi Bucc. Grey one
Mirage 2000 Desert Storm
Greek F-4
USAF F-4 Robin Olds
Luftwaffe F104 ( orange tanks)
I was really glad that CalW started weathering models, but I was sad to see the communities response. I guess I will have to learn it myself. Some historically awesome models just seem wrong completely clean. If I may ask. What method did you use?
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If you can get a pilot liquid ink pen with an 0.5 size ball point, you can get some really nice weathering on that A-10. I'll find the link to a thread i started several years back.

Found it!
https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...eathering.html
Here is a small update. I used the pilot pen technique and got the following results. I will admit I probably over did it a bit, but I was try to get down the method.
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Here’s what I did with my EasyModel Mi-17. To create the dusty engine effect, I used black chalk mixed with water. The right shade of silver may work on your A-10



Please excuse the rough paint work on my improvised clamshell doors


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I was really glad that CalW started weathering models, but I was sad to see the communities response. I guess I will have to learn it myself. Some historically awesome models just seem wrong completely clean. If I may ask. What method did you use?
Just model paints and weathering effect paints and in some cases,just permanent marker pens ( fine line). Will try upload some pics.
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Here is a small update. I used the pilot pen technique and got the following results. I will admit I probably over did it a bit, but I was try to get down the method.
I think it looks good!! And to quote you on an earlier post,I do agree that the models are released in too clean an option. Good thing with Calibre is they offer clean and weathered options. I leave some of my HM and Corgi in the standard 'new look' and some I choose to weather.
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Here is a small update. I used the pilot pen technique and got the following results. I will admit I probably over did it a bit, but I was try to get down the method.
ha that's the same craptacular gemini a7 that i posted a weathering sequence about some years ago. that truly is an awful model that needs ... a lot and is also first in the queue to be sacrificed for experimentation.
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ha that's the same craptacular gemini a7 that i posted a weathering sequence about some years ago. that truly is an awful model that needs ... a lot and is also first in the queue to be sacrificed for experimentation.
It had been sitting in a box somewhere for years. Pylons glued on cause they would not stay on the model. Missing the gear panels. I didn't have much to lose. Its a fun canvas. I am going to try to experiment with some oil paints soon.
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Here’s what I did with my EasyModel Mi-17. To create the dusty engine effect, I used black chalk mixed with water. The right shade of silver may work on your A-10



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What happened at the back? Looks like its been cut out?
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Diecast models weathering actually looks quite easy ... at least on videos by insiders who know:

A step by step "weathering" tutorial by Calibre Wings.


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Own weathering - and generally any mod to a diecast model - usually increases personal satisfaction with the model, the drawback is that every own weathering and generally any modification from standard production usually also substantially decreases collector´s value and selling price of such model in case collector wants to sell it one day. With this I´m not saying that own weathering is a bad thing, I personally prefer weathered models too, just that its good to know and consider all aspects...

Anyway, looking forward to photos of your weathered A-10
Could the solution be to use a temporary staining solution of some kind that can be cleaned off if you want to sell the model?
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I use the dry brush method quite a bit on most of mine, and i prefer enamels for this personally. I use washes mainly to accentuate panel lines. I would highly, highly recommend buying a cheap built kit/die-cast from e-bay or similar and practice on that until you are happy to apply your results to a loved model. If you leave the paint too long to dry before wiping off, you may have to use spirits to remove it. Beware. This can leave your beloved diecast with a glossy patch where the spirits have also removed the top varnished coat. Okay if you have a gloss finish. Not good if your aircraft has a Matt finish! So definitely practice on something you`re not bothered about.

Remember. Practice makes perfect! and Good luck. A well weathered aircraft model looks awesome.
I also highly recommend honing your techniques on a cheap model first. BUT I would recommend it being diecast, as that is the material you will be eventually working on. And remember—shine can always be removed with Tamiya matte spray, and a dull finish can always be slicked up with Tamiya gloss spray.
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