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Old 09-22-2020, 12:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 09-22-2020, 01:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Italian 104 for me.
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we need a Belgian Air force F104 !
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Italian 104 for me.
Me too, provided it really is a 104S. We’re not talking MiG-21bis here. A nice paint job alone won’t cut it.
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Excellent! Thx HM..... this closes out my MvR, Hartmann, Richthofen theme. Nice way, at least for me, to end the year

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Old 09-22-2020, 02:12 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Centennial Viking for me - but that's a soft commitment and I don't expect this to be popular.

The BF109G6 will probably be ok too, but I'll pass on it.

The phantoms are particularly dull. As are the F-16s. Bad choices there all around.

There's a new USAF "Viper Demo Team" livery called "Venom" about that I think will be very popular for whoever does it first. Not really my thing, but I can see it selling. Also, for modern USAF liveries, "BDU Splinter" is pretty cool.

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Old 09-22-2020, 02:53 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Glad to see the PACAF Wild Weasel Viper in the mix.
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Old 09-23-2020, 11:22 AM   #8 (permalink)
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the asa-m for sure, nothing else i think....another f4 in grey?
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Old 09-23-2020, 01:35 PM   #9 (permalink)
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The A-10 is going to be a must have for me, I do not know if I will get the WW Viper though with CalW second wave coming soon.
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Old 09-24-2020, 12:39 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Excellent! Thx HM..... this closes out my MvR, Hartmann, Richthofen theme. Nice way, at least for me, to end the year

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I appreciate your input on this release, BB, especially with the Snoopy, and I´m glad for you. I think I won't resist the power of JA+111 !

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Old 09-24-2020, 04:46 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Well, it took just 5 minutes to rise a question if HM wants to release JA+111 F-104G model or some fantasy scheme.

You can easily check for yourself by simple comparing the differences between these three images:

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1. Ejection seat Warning triangle should have letters outside the triangle in white color, not red as on HM artwork. Won´t waste my time on deeper research, but most probably the text outside the triangle reads: GEFAHR / DANGER / DANGER
Moreover, both lower DANGER words are actually UPSIDE DOWN (!) on HM artwork.

2. Ejection seat warning triangle has three lines of text inside the triangle, not two as on HM artwork. Won´t waste my time on deeper research, but most probably the text inside the triangle should read:

UPWARD
EJECTION
SEAT

3. White outline around the JA and 111 letterings is tooooo thin on HM artwork. The outline should be waaaaay thicker. From the photos it looks like the white outline around the JA and 111 on this particular Starfighter is visibly thicker than on any other standard Luftwaffe Starfighter.

4. From the photo it looks like the flying "Snoopy" mascot should have RED rocket flames behind his doghouse, not brown / poo / brick red or whatever color is on HM artwork. But judging this only from logic and this one photo. BB may say something to this point.

5. Won´t waste my time on deeper research, but on the photo JA+111 I don´t see any red outline around the big rectangular black / yellow sign "Push Button to Open Door" under the Rescue arrow / under the canopy.

6. Letters ´Rescue´ in the yellow arrow under the canopy are normal font, not like "Spray painted" military alphabet as HM artwork shows.

7. Tan colored dorsal plate behind the canopy has missing "dark dot" (to put is simply) ..... has missing Upper Formation Light (for us - airplane experts )

8. Second and third section of the canopy have whiteish stripes around the lower frame.

9. There should be MANY MORE stencils on the model - on the nose, on the radome, under the canopy, all over the aircraft.

10. Would be nice if HM could finally smoothen the radome / pitot transition to save collectors from the current embarrassing toy-level "stepped" nightmare. This is the point that is just asking to make radome / pitot area in the same way which HM made in those happy times when they were producing models honestly and with love .....


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Old 09-24-2020, 05:40 PM   #12 (permalink)
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This is what I had in mind in my point 9. above about lack of stenciling:

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Old 09-24-2020, 05:40 PM   #13 (permalink)
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jan 2021 poster please!
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Old 09-24-2020, 08:46 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Quite a list Ladia quite a list. You know as I know that there are times where drawing colors don’t always translate to being exactly the same on the model in hand. I agree, the Snoopy rocket fire is not flame red as one might expect..just so you know, the Snoopy marking was hand drawn and colored just for the competition time frame...it is a dull red...on the HM drawing...

If you look, the leather helmet is brown and does not look that color on the flames. The drawing of the Snoopy was approved, as best remembered, by the pilot who was the pilot in the cockpit pictured in the actual pics. It is up to HM to translate that as best as possible. By the way....William has all the pictures possible of this particular aircraft and it’s scheme to reference.

I cannot account for your entire list of what you find as needing correction. I can tell you, I cannot twist William’s arm for every little detail. And as you know, you can get way more detailed than I

You either buy or not, that’s your choice. Or as I have mentioned previously to you...If you list it, then you be the one to send your long list to William instead of having someone do the work for you. You have solutions? Fine, you mitigate it, you submit it...you get the well deserved credit for it and we all applaud you for it. You get em Tiger

So, the color scheme/ camo of the overall plane looks to be similar to the scheme used for HA1008 https://www.hobbymastercollector.com/HA1008.html ...for sure no orange on the wing tank and instead of a bottom half nose cone in gray...it will be white.

We shall see what the pre-pro’s look like.

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Old 09-25-2020, 08:06 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Quite a list Ladia quite a list. You know as I know that there are times where drawing colors don’t always translate to being exactly the same on the model in hand. I agree, the Snoopy rocket fire is not flame red as one might expect..just so you know, the Snoopy marking was hand drawn and colored just for the competition time frame...it is a dull red...on the HM drawing...

If you look, the leather helmet is brown and does not look that color on the flames. The drawing of the Snoopy was approved, as best remembered, by the pilot who was the pilot in the cockpit pictured in the actual pics. It is up to HM to translate that as best as possible. By the way....William has all the pictures possible of this particular aircraft and it’s scheme to reference.

I cannot account for your entire list of what you find as needing correction. I can tell you, I cannot twist William’s arm for every little detail. And as you know, you can get way more detailed than I

You either buy or not, that’s your choice. Or as I have mentioned previously to you...If you list it, then you be the one to send your long list to William instead of having someone do the work for you. You have solutions? Fine, you mitigate it, you submit it...you get the well deserved credit for it and we all applaud you for it. You get em Tiger

So, the color scheme/ camo of the overall plane looks to be similar to the scheme used for HA1008 https://www.hobbymastercollector.com/HA1008.html ...for sure no orange on the wing tank and instead of a bottom half nose cone in gray...it will be white.

We shall see what the pre-pro’s look like.

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Yes, its only an artwork at this stage, but we should really abandon this "Lets wait on Pre-pro’s" approach. If waiting on pre-pros is often too late. The same day when they appear on HMC site, the same day you send an email about mistakes to HM, and the same day you´ll get reply "Too late for corrections" or "We are terribly sorry but its already produced." If collectors want to change anything, they really should inform HM immediately / as soon as possible / much sooner than pre-pros appear.

And obviously, I´m far from expecting or wanting to someone "do the work for me". Even, instead of "doing the work for you / me", I´d rather see it as "doing the work for us" - all collectors will get inaccurate model if the mistakes are not corrected. In the end of day, how model finally looks (in terms of correcting mistakes) can often be influenced by sheer number of emails. One email means almost nothing, 10-20 emails mean there is a serious problem with the model. But I know well why I haven´t sent it to HM, believe me, I have the reason. And its not like me being lazy / shy or whatever ... After all, the most time-consuming "work" I´ve already done - I mean finding all those mistakes and writing them down - so sending subsequently an email to HM would be a 1 minute job.


But after I saw all those mistakes on JA+111, adding to that the horrible nose / pitot join which HM "tops" their late Starfighters, I´m really not sure if I will want this release.
So actually after I found those mistakes, I wanted to point out the sad reality, that - as you said:
- William had all the pictures possible of this particular aircraft
- he had extremely good hi-res images available
- he had even Snoopy drawing approved by the actual pilot
.... and the result is this?

This is what really sucks. It actually only reveals how miserably HM works in research / pre-pro phase, how inaccurate they are. Nobody should twist William’s or whoever´s arm to avoid every little mistake they make. Person who is making HM artworks should see for himself / herself that Danger letters should be white and not red, that white outline around the JA and 111 is visibly thinner than on the photos, that bort numbers "34" on HA6301 SU-34 are too thin. They were too thin on the artwork and too thin on the model. Etc, etc.

Hobby Master performs really poorly in research / pre-pro phase, this obviously translates into so many mistakes on their models, and then they even wonder that collectors are sending them emails and that sales are not so good? I just don´t understand this.
I´d say that only the time spent on processing all those complaining emails must be much higher then to give, say, 1-2 hours more to research to make model correctly.
But hey what do I know, I´m just a stupid graduate diploma mechanical engineer, stupid diecast collector ....
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But hey what do I know, I´m just a stupid graduate diploma mechanical engineer, stupid diecast collector ....
Ladia, your far on the intellect than from being stupid....

I respect your tenacity to dig deep...but somethings are just not in everyone’s control.

Some collectors are... not magnifying collectors....

Some collectors...ask for 100% in detail, but if only over 50%or 60% or etc is what’s given...it is settleable in the mind, versus 0%.

Some collectors get their models in hand after unpackaging, give the model a “walk around” eyeballing inspection .... then onto the shelf where it is then seen from a distance of 1.5 - 3.0 ft.

I could see you always wanting a level of exact detail given your formal training discipline of mechanical engineering, if in principle you use this for each and every model....

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.....and that’s ok. But all collectors don’t simply fit your mould.

For me personally, if it’s not 100% ... it’s ok, I’ll get over it and yet have a model on my shelf that I like and that may not, by overall scheme, ever be produced again. I, at least will be satisfied.

There is also the realization that this hobby of ours, these models, our models..... are classified as “Toys”

And as such....you won’t get all Manu’s to follow real world specs and standards when producing toy’s.... they don’t care much for information like from this book below or others to be exact in their products...(and it goes for paints and markings)

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Ladia, your opinions, critique, etc.....counts ..... it just doesn’t count for all.

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Old 09-25-2020, 07:01 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I believe that you are not going to get a 100% accurate diecast model. Period. As much as this would be great in an ideal world. Unless you build, paint and finish the model yourself, it isn`t going to happen. I can`t say i`m 100% happy with any die cast model i have at the moment in some way, but i`m satisfied with the way they look. And that`s the point. If it looks good enough it`s fine by me. I don`t have the time to build and paint many plastic models nowadays, which is why i turned to die-cast. However it hasn`t stopped me from improving them with a bit of filler and paint now and again. (I`m currently removing the spine from a HM Mig-21PFM to replace onto the non accurate Corgi Predator Vietnamese Mig-21PF, and replacing the non accurate pitot). I get Ladia`s frustration. A manufacturer spends money developing a new mould, markets it, makes money. We should expect a decent replica of that particular aircraft. Let`s face it, they`re not cheap! They should be accurate. Some minor faults are easily rectified, paint wise. Others not so. Point in hand:- I`ve just bought a brand new HM Chinese J-7III in camo. All good so far. The forward fuselage is from a PFM with the earlier top mounted short pitot. Actual photo`s of this particular aircraft show it with the longer side mounted pitot of MF standard onwards. Weird. I didn`t get any pitot with this model either(?) Not happy but I`ll sort it though. Criticism is good. At the end of the day we spend a lot of money on products that should be, at the least, be up to par, but on the other side of the coin, we shouldn`t expect total perfection, from what are in effect massed produced items.

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Slight price hike on that F-15E. TFM is selling it for $119.95 instead of the usual $107.95
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Oh wow, didn't see the SD ANG F-16! May need that one...
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will probably get the first s-3
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Being a "nitpicker" myself from time to time, I can understand Ladias frustration.

However, nitpicking the stenciling for ejection seats etc. is taking it a bit far IMO. Yes, that particular airframe had it different on that particular flight where pics were taken. But those stencils were everything but standard. Same goes for other parts of the airframes.

I remember building a scale model of the airframe I worked on 8h a day (F-4F). I picked the airframe in my unit that had its stabilizers the way the kit had it (triangular reinforcement plates on top side IIRC) - guess what? Yes, a few weeks later we got this exact airframe in with stabilizer cracks. The replacement stab had triangle plates to both sides... and our paintshop guy had decided to spray on some stencils in dark red instead of the expected grey...
To top it all, nose gear tires were changed and the rims now were silver, not white... (due to two different rim types in use)

Btw.. can I have a 104G with JD+.. markings please?
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Just seen the `Spirit of America` Raptor in the flesh. Must admit i`m tempted. Looks very nice indeed. Would be my first F-22 in my collection.

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