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Old 09-21-2020, 11:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Great great news
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Sukhoi Su57

The Russian «*stealth*» fighter, beautiful aircraft

Waiting impatiently for final result

Why not a J20....
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well, it was bound to happen, i guess. but i'm not interested at all in this. in fact, the entire release poster / month is below average, with little to no temptations other than the U2 (though I've pre-ordered the second, UK based one).
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Old 09-21-2020, 12:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Great great news
Hobby master collector website, just announced a new tooling
For a

Sukhoi Su57

The Russian «*stealth*» fighter, beautiful aircraft

Waiting impatiently for final result

Why not a J20....
I’m pumped. Sukhoi & KnAPPO make cool jets, and the SU-57 deserves some love. One could take its place on my mantle opposite my F-22.
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I’m pumped. Sukhoi & KnAPPO make cool jets, and the SU-57 deserves some love. One could take its place on my mantle opposite my F-22.
Why not just get a Sukhoi Superjet 100 and then a blank launchpad to represent the looming bankruptcy of roskosmos and you can have a whole theme of the imminent collapse of russian aerospace?

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Old 09-21-2020, 03:14 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Indeed very great news!! First fifth gen Russian fighter jet deserves more attention and to be honest I need to add it to my collection alongside with F-22. They’re both such a beautiful designs. Tnx for the info...
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Old 09-22-2020, 02:53 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Another Su-57? Hmm. I`d rather see a Mig-19/J-6, Mig-27, Su-7BMK or Chengdu J-10`s on HM`s list.

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Another Su-57? Hmm. I`d rather see a Mig-19/J-6, Mig-27, Su-7BMK or Chengdu J-10`s on HM`s list.
Another one?? Who else made it in 1/72 die cast beside Air Force 1 with that exposed screws on the underside such an eyesore...
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Yawn. Couldn’t be bothered.
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It's a great looking aeroplane, but I think this is premature. I think releasing this before it's even front line is a mistake. Everyone that's pressured HM into this has allowed their enthusiasm to get the better of their judgement and now we're going to have a tooling of a prototype. One can only hope that after such protracted development, and after so many development aircraft, Sukhoi don't go and make any mould breaking changes. If they do, I wouldn't bank on HM making the necessary corrections.

Patience is a virtue. I'd rather have seen them do a bit of back catalogue work whilst this matures. MiG-19, Su-9, Su-15 and Tu-22 etc.
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Yawn. Couldn’t be bothered.
Thanks for being bothered to let us know you can't be bothered.
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It's a great looking aeroplane, but I think this is premature. I think releasing this before it's even front line is a mistake. Everyone that's pressured HM into this has allowed their enthusiasm to get the better of their judgement and now wer're going to have a tooling of a prototype. One can only hope that after such protracted development, and after so many development aircraft, Sukhoi don't go and make any mould breaking changes. If they do, I wouldn't bank on HM making the necessary corrections.

Patience is a virtue. I'd rather have seen them do a bit of back catalogue work whilst this matures. MiG-19, Su-9, Su-15 and Tu-22 etc.
It’s a Russian aircraft. A mould breaking change is guaranteed by nature, because they are constantly changing their aircraft.
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Old 09-23-2020, 01:14 AM   #13 (permalink)
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@Adour what you say makes a perfect sense hopefully they won’t apply any drastic changes after all as stated in the media the first serial aircraft was produced last year but unfortunately crashed in late December 2019 so I guess only time will tell...
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Don`t get me wrong. I love to see new russian aircraft, but with three schemes to choose from, prototypes`s at that. (as previously mentioned). Seems manufacturers are trying to out do each other with the same aircraft, and same aircraft schemes. Getting to be boring. Give us something new.
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Don`t get me wrong. I love to see new russian aircraft, but with three schemes to choose from, prototypes`s at that.
I'm no fan of the Su57 or the "still flooding youtube comments sections as we speak with bs" country that produced it. But there have been more than three schemes, and the previous Su-57 diecast has been sub-par. It's a sensible choice by HM from a business standpoint.

now where's my 1/72 F3H demon?
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Old 09-23-2020, 11:20 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Something new ok
How about a decent

Rafale
Gripen
Su27ub
Su30
Mig31.....
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Something new ok
How about a decent

Rafale
Gripen
Su27ub
Su30
Mig31.....
Rafale - No, due the licence “excuse”/ reason, already explained about a million times.

MiG-31 - Aready in the works at Calibre, so 2025ish unless HM make their trademark move.

I’m sure they’ll get round to the two seat Flankers. As much as I like Flankers, and I do, actually I’d rather see one or two from Calibre without the horrible HM nose joint. As I mentioned above, I’d like some earlier Soviet types from HM.

Gripen - personally couldn’t care less. If it’s Swedish you’re after, I’d sooner see a really good Draken.

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Old 09-24-2020, 10:56 AM   #18 (permalink)
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All for more Soviet type`s. Give me Mandrake`s, Brewers and Firebars on my growing list. Agree. An accurate Draken would be sweet.

I really thought someone would start doing 1950,s early 60`s U.S. aircraft by now, Navy and Airforce. Loads to choose from. No 1/72 Panthers, Cougars, Starfire`s, Scorpions etc.
Must be a market out there.
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Old 09-24-2020, 12:06 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I think I'm failing to understand something fundamental about the diecast. I simply don´t understand this move from HM from a business standpoint.

I wonder how HM came to idea "hey, lets make Su-57". With basically just 10 flying machines in basically three color schemes the sales potential of this mold I see rather limited, moreover with enough diecast Su-57s already on the market. And don´t forget, this is a HUGE model: every collector runs out of a display space one day, and, obviously, large models eat space very agressively.

So I wonder how many releases of HM Su-57 will every prospective buyer buy? Imho just one, Su-57 addicts maybe 2-3 and finito. All who really wanted the Su-57 have already one from AF1, Unistar or Herpa (yes, they are basically same mold and the mold has its flaws, but shapewise is almost correct and with the rich stenciling of white shark scheme the model actually doesn´t look so bad in the flesh). Yes, Su-57 from HM will be probably a better model, but that better? We can assume HM will probably screw it somehow, same as they somehow screwed almost every new mold they´ve made in recent years. So I'm wondering how many Su-57 releases can HM sell before market demand subdue? Or are you guys really planning to buy 4-5 releases of Su-57?

From above reasons I simply don´t understand economics behind this mold. But maybe costs vs. profits are not a drama for HM. They must save huge money in research / pre-production (which cannot take more than 10 minutes for new releases and zero for new molds (just buying the worst plastic kit ever made, that with the most mistakes, and copy it), they must save on stenciling, on zinc content by making HM models hollow (and probably thats why we must eat all those disgusting HM typical front joints), they save on armament / weaponry molds, they save on details, on omitted antennas, pitot tubes, they save on pilot figures, tampoed details etc. So maybe they don´t have to care about the economy so much: Mig-25 has just 6 releases, Vigi 5 releases only (!), F-117 counts 7.... Wonder how many will Su-57 add.

As for me, from all the possible new molds that HM could do, Su-57 appears to me as a weird choice. I´d rather see molds that were never done before, I´d rather see the new F-4 Phantom that would be at the current level of technology, I´d rather see some Fuel Bowsers / Fuel trucks, I´d even rather see new pilot figures than the new Su-57.
(I intentionally didn´t mention Su-30SM here as I fully agree with Adour - I’d also prefer one from Calibre without the horrible HM nose joint.....)

That´s my opinion.
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Old 09-24-2020, 05:14 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Playing devils advocate, I can see an SU-57 being a popular option- especially for Russian customers.
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Old 09-24-2020, 05:39 PM   #21 (permalink)
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they probably got a good deal with sukhoi....lol..
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Old 09-25-2020, 04:15 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Rafale - No, due the licence “excuse”/ reason, already explained about a million times.

MiG-31 - Aready in the works at Calibre, so 2025ish unless HM make their trademark move.

I’m sure they’ll get round to the two seat Flankers. As much as I like Flankers, and I do, actually I’d rather see one or two from Calibre without the horrible HM nose joint. As I mentioned above, I’d like some earlier Soviet types from HM.

Gripen - personally couldn’t care less. If it’s Swedish you’re after, I’d sooner see a really good Draken.
Exactly! & despite this, posts keep on popping up suggesting HM should do this Dassault plane or that.
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Old 09-25-2020, 08:26 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I`ll stick with my AF1 Su-57. I wonder if the HM version will be able to be displayed on the stand with weapons bay doors open? Not holding my breath.

Come on manufacturers. Stop releasing identical aircraft with identical schemes. Are they releasing them for us? or just scoring points against each other?
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