well, it was bound to happen, i guess. but i'm not interested at all in this. in fact, the entire release poster / month is below average, with little to no temptations other than the U2 (though I've pre-ordered the second, UK based one).
I’m pumped. Sukhoi & KnAPPO make cool jets, and the SU-57 deserves some love. One could take its place on my mantle opposite my F-22.
Why not just get a Sukhoi Superjet 100 and then a blank launchpad to represent the looming bankruptcy of roskosmos and you can have a whole theme of the imminent collapse of russian aerospace?
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Indeed very great news!! First fifth gen Russian fighter jet deserves more attention and to be honest I need to add it to my collection alongside with F-22. They’re both such a beautiful designs. Tnx for the info...
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It's a great looking aeroplane, but I think this is premature. I think releasing this before it's even front line is a mistake. Everyone that's pressured HM into this has allowed their enthusiasm to get the better of their judgement and now we're going to have a tooling of a prototype. One can only hope that after such protracted development, and after so many development aircraft, Sukhoi don't go and make any mould breaking changes. If they do, I wouldn't bank on HM making the necessary corrections.
Patience is a virtue. I'd rather have seen them do a bit of back catalogue work whilst this matures. MiG-19, Su-9, Su-15 and Tu-22 etc.
It's a great looking aeroplane, but I think this is premature. I think releasing this before it's even front line is a mistake. Everyone that's pressured HM into this has allowed their enthusiasm to get the better of their judgement and now wer're going to have a tooling of a prototype. One can only hope that after such protracted development, and after so many development aircraft, Sukhoi don't go and make any mould breaking changes. If they do, I wouldn't bank on HM making the necessary corrections.
Patience is a virtue. I'd rather have seen them do a bit of back catalogue work whilst this matures. MiG-19, Su-9, Su-15 and Tu-22 etc.
It’s a Russian aircraft. A mould breaking change is guaranteed by nature, because they are constantly changing their aircraft.
@Adour what you say makes a perfect sense hopefully they won’t apply any drastic changes after all as stated in the media the first serial aircraft was produced last year but unfortunately crashed in late December 2019 so I guess only time will tell...
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Don`t get me wrong. I love to see new russian aircraft, but with three schemes to choose from, prototypes`s at that. (as previously mentioned). Seems manufacturers are trying to out do each other with the same aircraft, and same aircraft schemes. Getting to be boring. Give us something new.
Don`t get me wrong. I love to see new russian aircraft, but with three schemes to choose from, prototypes`s at that.
I'm no fan of the Su57 or the "still flooding youtube comments sections as we speak with bs" country that produced it. But there have been more than three schemes, and the previous Su-57 diecast has been sub-par. It's a sensible choice by HM from a business standpoint.
Rafale - No, due the licence “excuse”/ reason, already explained about a million times.
MiG-31 - Aready in the works at Calibre, so 2025ish unless HM make their trademark move.
I’m sure they’ll get round to the two seat Flankers. As much as I like Flankers, and I do, actually I’d rather see one or two from Calibre without the horrible HM nose joint. As I mentioned above, I’d like some earlier Soviet types from HM.
Gripen - personally couldn’t care less. If it’s Swedish you’re after, I’d sooner see a really good Draken.
All for more Soviet type`s. Give me Mandrake`s, Brewers and Firebars on my growing list. Agree. An accurate Draken would be sweet.
I really thought someone would start doing 1950,s early 60`s U.S. aircraft by now, Navy and Airforce. Loads to choose from. No 1/72 Panthers, Cougars, Starfire`s, Scorpions etc.
Must be a market out there.
I think I'm failing to understand something fundamental about the diecast. I simply don´t understand this move from HM from a business standpoint.
I wonder how HM came to idea "hey, lets make Su-57". With basically just 10 flying machines in basically three color schemes the sales potential of this mold I see rather limited, moreover with enough diecast Su-57s already on the market. And don´t forget, this is a HUGE model: every collector runs out of a display space one day, and, obviously, large models eat space very agressively.
So I wonder how many releases of HM Su-57 will every prospective buyer buy? Imho just one, Su-57 addicts maybe 2-3 and finito. All who really wanted the Su-57 have already one from AF1, Unistar or Herpa (yes, they are basically same mold and the mold has its flaws, but shapewise is almost correct and with the rich stenciling of white shark scheme the model actually doesn´t look so bad in the flesh). Yes, Su-57 from HM will be probably a better model, but that better? We can assume HM will probably screw it somehow, same as they somehow screwed almost every new mold they´ve made in recent years. So I'm wondering how many Su-57 releases can HM sell before market demand subdue? Or are you guys really planning to buy 4-5 releases of Su-57?
From above reasons I simply don´t understand economics behind this mold. But maybe costs vs. profits are not a drama for HM. They must save huge money in research / pre-production (which cannot take more than 10 minutes for new releases and zero for new molds (just buying the worst plastic kit ever made, that with the most mistakes, and copy it), they must save on stenciling, on zinc content by making HM models hollow (and probably thats why we must eat all those disgusting HM typical front joints), they save on armament / weaponry molds, they save on details, on omitted antennas, pitot tubes, they save on pilot figures, tampoed details etc. So maybe they don´t have to care about the economy so much: Mig-25 has just 6 releases, Vigi 5 releases only (!), F-117 counts 7.... Wonder how many will Su-57 add.
As for me, from all the possible new molds that HM could do, Su-57 appears to me as a weird choice. I´d rather see molds that were never done before, I´d rather see the new F-4 Phantom that would be at the current level of technology, I´d rather see some Fuel Bowsers / Fuel trucks, I´d even rather see new pilot figures than the new Su-57.
(I intentionally didn´t mention Su-30SM here as I fully agree with Adour - I’d also prefer one from Calibre without the horrible HM nose joint.....)
Rafale - No, due the licence “excuse”/ reason, already explained about a million times.
MiG-31 - Aready in the works at Calibre, so 2025ish unless HM make their trademark move.
I’m sure they’ll get round to the two seat Flankers. As much as I like Flankers, and I do, actually I’d rather see one or two from Calibre without the horrible HM nose joint. As I mentioned above, I’d like some earlier Soviet types from HM.
Gripen - personally couldn’t care less. If it’s Swedish you’re after, I’d sooner see a really good Draken.
Exactly! & despite this, posts keep on popping up suggesting HM should do this Dassault plane or that.
I`ll stick with my AF1 Su-57. I wonder if the HM version will be able to be displayed on the stand with weapons bay doors open? Not holding my breath.
Come on manufacturers. Stop releasing identical aircraft with identical schemes. Are they releasing them for us? or just scoring points against each other?
Maybe not necessarily, Prowlus.
I believe that strictly speaking HM can´t be blamed for incorrect colors on HA6801 (of course judging just from these pre-pro photos) as it looks to me spot on comparing the first two photos below.
Seems that HM made "clever choice" with the 053 - at least from painting point of view - as everything from snow white to current "greenish" seems to be correct, depending on light conditions. So HM has very wide margin available in this case to get the colors right, and whatever mistake they make would still fall within the range of "correct" colors .
But I agree with you that most "053" photos show less greeny and more blueish / whiteish shades of basic color. These colors would also look better on the model imho.
This photo shows even more greenish shade than HM pre-pro.
I'd say the color looks mostly correct. Whether outdoors with the real thing or indoors with a model, lighting conditions and camera settings will affect the actual tint.
Generally though I'm not sure I'm in love with this particular scheme. Will be a 'wait and see' for me.
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As I´m not buying this color scheme anyway, I´m more concerned about the canopy. And the nose. And the stinger. And the dorsal antenna.
1. Canopy WTF is Hobby Master inventing with that third section of the canopy?
Yep, good ol´ Hobby Master....
2. Nose:
What I really dislike on this mold is blunted tip of the radome. See photo above how nicely pointy is original SU-57s radome at the front, and how ugly rounded is tip of the radome on HM model.
Better photo of blunted HM radome: https://www.hobbymastercollector.com.../HA6801r-1.JPG
Technology reasons? No way - its PLASTIC! Safety reasons? Are all Su-57 and T-50 Scale Model kits dangerous with their pointy radomes? Were Herpa / AF1 57s withdrawn from the market for safety reasons? No.
Really don´t understand HM´s decisions.
Nice pointy AF1/Herpa radome: (also note the correct rear part of the canopy)
3. Stinger:
Here´s not much to add - the stinger is just completely wrong for 053 - too short, too stubby, too rounded.
"Dear collectors, for your big money we are going to deliver you somehow innacurate model. We apologize. But as for us, we saved a fortune as we can use one mold for prototypes and future operational releases. Many thanks, sincerely Yours HM.´
4. Dorsal antenna:
Just noticed this:
Why, in the name of ever-loving crap, HM has made the antenna behind the canopy centered when it clearly should be off-center? - see photo above and this one: https://www.hobbymastercollector.com.../HA6801r-3.JPG
Too bad
This company bring us so nice models well builded
And excellent quality compared to others.....
Better to emphasize those models than criticize them too often
In my opinion,
They certainly do their best and they hear our comments
Only company....
Better to emphasize those models than criticize them too often
I respect your opinion, Tomcat; you can start to emphasise anytime. It will be beneficial for the balance of the discussions here on DAC forum.
Just please lets don´t forget that "criticizing" as you call it can be actually beneficial for the quality of the models. Yes, sometimes I can´t avoid personal remarks to relieve my frustration, but I´m mainly pointing out those mistakes in the early phases of artwork and pre-production stage, so not without a reason. Sure, I could just summarize all errors into one email and in all silence send it to HM, but this doesn´t work. One email usually means nothing. But send HM many emails and voilá - countless errors were improved this way so that in the end also you can better enjoy excellent quality of HM models.
And we don't have to go far for the examples - note corrected NLG and engine louvres on this very SU-57 (check my post). Or improved instrument panel on all HM Phantoms. And there´s of course much more what HM has improved based on notes / observations / remarks / criticism / requests / emails - call it what you want - of collectors from DAC and other forums: corrected canopy, tail and nose on HM Tornados, increased amount of stencils in general, lightning strips on SU-35s radomes, correct placement and correct appeareance of F-105s Cherry Girl etc, etc., I could go on for hours. So "criticism" can be very useful. I firmly believe that without constant "improvement pressure" from collectors, HM models would look dramatically worse.
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They certainly do their best and they hear our comments.
Only company....
They certainly do their best:
Honestly - here I have quite different opinion. Yes, maybe they do their best, but so many mistakes in research and pre-pro phase makes no other from the big manufacturers imho. And I´m speaking about real (easily avodable) mistakes, not about Profit Maximization and Cost Minimization decisions (which also doesn't make the models any good....)
They hear our comments:
Yes, sometimes. And sometimes not. But with this number of mistakes we can only speculate if this is a willingness or simply just a need.
Only company....
Actually there are also other manufacturers that hear our comments.
Anyway, lets just hope that Su-57 wil be nice model in the end.
Already pre-ordered this. My point of views; its the most accurate modelizations of the aircraft compared to what are currently available in the market.
Aviation Megastore website in Holland. Currently the site offers pre-order price of Euro 82.60 (around USD$100; cheaper than the AF1 model which carries the price of USD$134 at Amazon) for the model excluding shipping. Sorry I am yet to be allowed to provide link in the reply since I have only made less than 3 postings.
Will you buy this model? When Hobby Master will release this model?
Around March for the rest of the world, I believe. It's already available in Asia though since I found one sold at Ebay from Japan but for a whooping price of USD$337 plus $25 shipping fees outside of Japan. However, it was already sold.
Already pre-ordered this. My point of views; its the most accurate modelizations of the aircraft compared to what are currently available in the market.
“Currently” is the operative word. The Mig-23s been out for decades, and HM still missed a detail about the Flogger-Ks they later corrected. As preliminary as the Felon is (and Russia’s habit of making thousands of incrementally different prototypes) , it’s a safe assumption some details will inevitably be wrong.
“Currently” is the operative word. The Mig-23s been out for decades, and HM still missed a detail about the Flogger-Ks they later corrected. As preliminary as the Felon is (and Russia’s habit of making thousands of incrementally different prototypes) , it’s a safe assumption some details will inevitably be wrong.
.... agree. Like the tail stinger now, for example.
On diecast chances of getting 100% accuracy to the real thing are practically zero. For this HM Su-57/T50, at least for now, it’s the best there is in the market.
Which means "New Tooling" regarding Hobby Master Su-57?
At this stage probably yes.
Manufacturer who cares would probably think ahead and would go the exchangable stinger piece way. Let´s don´t forget that on the long run there were only few prototypes, and the operational history of Su-57 hasn´t even started. Which means that all your future operational SU-57 models will be with totally wrong stinger....
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