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Old 07-20-2020, 10:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Assuming the world is still rotating during this apocalyptic year by the beginning of next year, we should be seeing a U-2A/C from HM. For those who are begging for the "short nose" U-2 like the one Powers flew, here ya go. Overall, I am happy that HM is going to be focusing on the older version.
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Yes, the early U-2 is the one I am waiting for. Looking forward to seeing pics in the future.
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they should make this
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I’m looking forward to the Pre-Pros. I’ll be good with any from Beale AFB or a white NASA one!
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Assuming the world is still rotating during this apocalyptic year by the beginning of next year, we should be seeing a U-2A/C from HM. For those who are begging for the "short nose" U-2 like the one Powers flew, here ya go. Overall, I am happy that HM is going to be focusing on the older version.
Well that's a U-turn from William. I guess he just must have got tired of us all bitching at him! Great news.
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I’m in for a FGP U-2A model......if that is a scheme HM would do.

Still not finding a pic of the actual aircraft used by FGP 56-6693 before being shot down.

However... the second pic below caption states that the 56-6696 is the “sister ship” to FPG’s plane.

I define sister ... in this context .. as an exact twin except for tail number ....

So unless a picture of an actual FGP plane showing 56-6693 shows up...... my expectation on a FGP U-2A HM model should be as pictured below....that is to say a polished metal finish scheme and matching markings etc....showing the 56-6693 on the tail (and whereever else I can’t see on the plane in the pic)


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Old 07-24-2020, 11:06 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I love to have a copy of FGP U-2C.

And I bet this is the first U-2A/C HM will make, just like they chose to make the famous Victor Beleko's plane, their first MiG-25.

Well you can view 56-6692 U-2C here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...804730948).jpg

56-6692’ is on display in the newly refurbished American Air Museum, part of the Imperial War Museum, Duxford, Cambridgeshire, UK.

I will then wait for a fully loaded U-2S from Calibre Wings.
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I love to have a copy of FGP U-2C.

And I bet this is the first U-2A/C HM will make, just like they chose to make the famous Victor Beleko's plane, their first MiG-25.

Well you can view 56-6692 U-2C here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...804730948).jpg

56-6692’ is on display in the newly refurbished American Air Museum, part of the Imperial War Museum, Duxford, Cambridgeshire, UK.

I will then wait for a fully loaded U-2S from Calibre Wings.


Will the real 56-6692 please stand up .....

This link shows 56-6692 in different schemes throughout the years....

http://www.c-and-e-museum.org/Pinetr...2/56-6692.html

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One thing for sure is that FGP U-2C is painted black and not in metallic finish.

The remains of FGP U-2C is displayed in Central Armed Forces Museum, Moscow, Russia, and the plane is painted black with minimal markings. Not sure if it has the serial number on the fins. Maybe "360". Not easy for HM to work on.
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One thing for sure is that FGP U-2C is painted black and not in metallic finish.

The remains of FGP U-2C is displayed in Central Armed Forces Museum, Moscow, Russia, and the plane is painted black with minimal markings. Not sure if it has the serial number on the fins. Maybe "360". Not easy for HM to work on.
Ok.... having looked at museum pics....I can see it not metallic finish.

The color being black.....hmmm....under some of the lighting conditions of various color picture angles...it’s almost like a deep dark blue. (could be me ol eyes)

Perhaps it was metallic finish as a U-2A.....then it went black when converted to U-2C....

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is it only going to be the a/c or is it going to include models like the u-2f/g
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Old 07-24-2020, 06:59 PM   #12 (permalink)
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My eyes may not be that bad after all.... he is one example of others found (even plastic modelers) .... that the paint used was a blue black radar absorbing...

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A modelers post exchange about the blue-black color...

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/...-and-markings/

Consensus is Federal Standard 595 Color FS 25042 Sea Blue as the color

Then there is this....from a CIA doc...

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Old 07-25-2020, 12:14 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Thanks BB for the colour insights. Matte blue-black it is. Hope HM gets it right.

Now the hard part are the markings, since there is no photo of the actual plane.

As much as I like the model to come out asap, maybe it is better for HM to release FGP plane as a later release rather than the first. Get all the bugs out iron out first.
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Thanks BB for the colour insights. Matte blue-black it is. Hope HM gets it right.

Now the hard part are the markings, since there is no photo of the actual plane.

As much as I like the model to come out asap, maybe it is better for HM to release FGP plane as a later release rather than the first. Get all the bugs out iron out first.
I’m ok with a bug free plane in a later release just as long as it is a FGP version and before I drop dead of a hopeful old age....

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Well that's a U-turn from William. I guess he just must have got tired of us all bitching at him! Great news.
I was very surprised as well.
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I’m ok with a bug free plane in a later release just as long as it is a FGP version and before I drop dead of a hopeful old age....
Well, I am 67. Hopefully, I can still insert those wheels assemblies into the allotted holes when HM release the U-2s. That is main reason I hate buying JC wings/Witty, I don't know how many wheel struts I have broken.

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I just read an article by an Englishman, Chris Pocock, who has been doing research on U-2 for many years.

He had came to the conclusion the black or the blue black paint on the early U-2s was actually SEA BLUE, FS 35042, a paint that was widely used on US Navy aircraft at that time.

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I just read an article by an Englishman, Chris Pocock, who has been doing research on U-2 for many years.

He had came to the conclusion the black or the blue black paint on the early U-2s was actually SEA BLUE, FS 35042, a paint that was widely used on US Navy aircraft at that time.

https://dragonladyhistory.com/2019/0...2-black-paint/
I was looking for a free copy pdf of the that book ... “50 Years of the U-2: The Complete Illustrated History of the Dragon Lady” ..... since it was mentioned in the modelers thread....but didn’t find it.

Yes the FS 25042 is the semi-gloss sea blue .... whereas the FS 35042 is the flat sea blue...... that would be a better match to the CIA doc wording “standard blue-black” and “matte-finish”

Thx for contributing to what we now Both agree on and believe the color we should see .... at least for the HM FGP U-2C and that is at the very least.....a flat blue-black color..... definitely not just a black only color.

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does anyone know about the marking of Rudolph Andersons u-2?

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does anyone know about the marking of Rudolph Andersons u-2?

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It has been said ad nauseum never to use or at least be leary of decal sheets, for some maybe wrong... having said that...... there is this...take note of what is stated

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https://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/d...al_72065.shtml

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I was very surprised as well.
TBH, I suspect we should all be sending the Taiwanese distributor a Christmas card this year. He seems to have a fair bit of clout at HM, and I guess that when he heard they were doing the “wrong” U-2 there was an exchange of views.

I’ve emailed William to ask him not to make Gary Power’s blue-black U-2C the first (or the second) release either. The reply I got indicates to me that he’s not convinced. My reasoning is that the first couple of new tooling releases are often (not always), screwed up. I think most people will want the Powers release, and they’d rather it wasn’t somehow cocked up. Well, that’s my view anyway.

I’d really rather not see a re-run of the Belenko MiG-25 disappointment.
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I think an all black cia/usaf one like the one at the national air force museum would be a good first release
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........I’ve emailed William to ask him not to make Gary Power’s blue-black U-2C the first (or the second) release either. The reply I got indicates to me that he’s not convinced......
So, to extrapolate and confirm from your email to William and his reply.....it is a for sure thing that

1) A FGP U-2C .... WILL be released... no if’s or maybes (Whether it’s a first, second, third, run etc.)

2) A FGP U-2C .... WILL be blue-black... not black only

Is this correct?? If this is all written in stone... Excellent! we who would collect it, will buy it

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Maybe, the Taiwanese distributor already had William lined up with a couple of Taiwanese U-2s. Quite a few were shot down in China.

BB, why don't you do some research on the Taiwanese planes. Give William some leads.
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Maybe, the Taiwanese distributor already had William lined up with a couple of Taiwanese U-2s. Quite a few were shot down in China.

BB, why don't you do some research on the Taiwanese planes. Give William some leads.
My interest, albeit being selfish and bias is only for a FGP....or a Rudolf U-2 which have notable history....I would buy no others (I’ve made this known in another thread) Your question should be directed to Adour (who has been already in contact with William) or others who first suggested to William the U-2 being done at all by HM..... that collector was not me.

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Not to leave you completely hanging.....

Look at APPENDIX 2 Production Summary of https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/c...0150014963.pdf

There you’ll see pages of U-2’s produced.... each with a short history of its service. Search yourself for any histories mentioning Taiwan or Taiwanese then follow up further searching whatever serial numbers may have been connected to Taiwan on google for pictures of actual aircraft....then of course you know HM’s William email address [email protected]

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Maybe, the Taiwanese distributor already had William lined up with a couple of Taiwanese U-2s. Quite a few were shot down in China.

BB, why don't you do some research on the Taiwanese planes. Give William some leads.
Saw a Taiwanese u-2 in a hanger in china a few years ago

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Location...n-Beijing.html
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Thanks to Eric....museum link....google Taiwanese U-2 3512 a.k.a Article No.378 for other FYI

Lot’s written http://area51specialprojects.com/u2-pao.html

http://taiwanairpower.org/blog/?p=149

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Thanks BB for those info.

Here's another pic of U-2 3512. Wondered if it is the same sea blue paint on the body.

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Here’s a pic outside at some point taken during rain ....... absence of any other color withstanding..... I do not think it’s a stretch to think it to was sea blue. When not wet.... it’s color appears to be a washed out over the years.... a faded shade of blue....which could have been much darker in its operational life.

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Contrasting blue-black (sea blue) against black only......

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Moved to the OTHER u2 thread
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HM Pre pro pictures out.
Now I think HM missing a trick by not including a 1/200 chase car.

Many type used but i think this one...
Note full pic on Beale AFB website in hi res download. Now my wall paper.
Just to clarify, the pre-pros for the late model U-2 have leaked out, not the early model, which is this thread.
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Slipped into the middle of 2021 for early model U-2s, (late model Feb ‘21ish).
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