Re: Attention mugs who bought TSM 1/72 Top Gun Tom
Y'know despite my blatant love for Top Gun, the fact that it turned me into a bonafide fan of aviation and the F-14 in general....I can't say I've ever desired the fictional squadron markings from the films...I'm too much of an enthusiast of actual squadrons that this kind of thing doesn't do much for me. I'll take a VF-101 grim reapers or VF-213 or even a VF-301 Tomcat over any fictional tomcat squadron any day of the week
Re: Attention mugs who bought TSM 1/72 Top Gun Tom
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Y'know despite my blatant love for Top Gun, the fact that it turned me into a bonafide fan of aviation and the F-14 in general....I can't say I've ever desired the fictional squadron markings from the films...I'm too much of an enthusiast of actual squadrons that this kind of thing doesn't do much for me. I'll take a VF-101 grim reapers or VF-213 or even a VF-301 Tomcat over any fictional tomcat squadron any day of the week
I totally agree... hence my post was (a bit good naturedely trollishly) aimed at the people who were so desperate for top gun tomcats that they spent actual money on the tsm rubbish.
meanwhile, I'm still in shock that nobody - not HM, not CalW, not CW.. have released a splinter NSAWC tomcat - an instant top seller if only for the distinctive library i honestly can't understand this.
meanwhile, i scored at low price a century wings tomcat that has evaded me a bit. first, i didnt buy it because i dont like the livery so much, but then i saw the price go up and up and for whatever reason i pulled the trigger when i saw it for bargain price - the blacklions one. and, well, whoever says that century wings has never made a bad tomcat really has to see the glossy, low detail, big gap abomination that is their black lions tomcat. it makes hobbymaster's "bedeviler's" dipped in gloss varnish affair look reasonable.
Re: Attention mugs who bought TSM 1/72 Top Gun Tom
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I totally agree... hence my post was (a bit good naturedely trollishly) aimed at the people who were so desperate for top gun tomcats that they spent actual money on the tsm rubbish.
meanwhile, I'm still in shock that nobody - not HM, not CalW, not CW.. have released a splinter NSAWC tomcat - an instant top seller if only for the distinctive library i honestly can't understand this.
meanwhile, i scored at low price a century wings tomcat that has evaded me a bit. first, i didnt buy it because i dont like the livery so much, but then i saw the price go up and up and for whatever reason i pulled the trigger when i saw it for bargain price - the blacklions one. and, well, whoever says that century wings has never made a bad tomcat really has to see the glossy, low detail, big gap abomination that is their black lions tomcat. it makes hobbymaster's "bedeviler's" dipped in gloss varnish affair look reasonable.
Me being me, I don't even like the century wings VF-213 because of the light blue stripe and high viz markings. My first introduction to the 213 was from the Carrier: Fortress at Sea documentary that discovery aired back in the 90's. The production of that documentary happened to occur during the Black Lions deployment aboard the USS Carl Vinson and their F-14D's had low viz markings at the time.
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Me being me, I don't even like the century wings VF-213 because of the light blue stripe and high viz markings. My first introduction to the 213 was from the Carrier: Fortress at Sea documentary that discovery aired back in the 90's. The production of that documentary happened to occur during the Black Lions deployment aboard the USS Carl Vinson and their F-14D's had low viz markings at the time.
I just googled a low vis vf-213 f-14 and......... oh my god why didn't anyone do this yet, someone should ask william or noel about this
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I just googled a low vis vf-213 f-14 and......... oh my god why didn't anyone do this yet, someone should ask william or noel about this
Eric
Yeah the markings were quite nice. I think they had a low viz paint and livery scheme but the modex numbers and the squadron insignia were trimmed in gold if my memory serves me right. All I can remember for sure is that it was while they were stationed aboard the USS Carl Vinson during their 1994-1995 deployment
I remember seeing Top Gun as a kid when it first came out. I laughed outloud in the theater when when they encountered their first "Mig-28". Don't get me wrong, the F-5 is an awesome jet and one of my favorites, I just had a hard time taking the rest of the movie seriously. Since they must have made some small models to blow up in the movie, I wish they had made some flying filming models that more closely resembled real Russian aircraft. So I guess nobody ever made any diecast "Mig-28's"?
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I remember seeing Top Gun as a kid when it first came out. I laughed outloud in the theater when when they encountered their first "Mig-28". Don't get me wrong, the F-5 is an awesome jet and one of my favorites, I just had a hard time taking the rest of the movie seriously. Since they must have made some small models to blow up in the movie, I wish they had made some flying filming models that more closely resembled real Russian aircraft. So I guess nobody ever made any diecast "Mig-28's"?
No we've gotten some of those. I believe Corgi made some "Mig-28's" before. and I think TSM made some as well.
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I remember seeing Top Gun as a kid when it first came out. I laughed outloud in the theater when when they encountered their first "Mig-28". Don't get me wrong, the F-5 is an awesome jet and one of my favorites, I just had a hard time taking the rest of the movie seriously. Since they must have made some small models to blow up in the movie, I wish they had made some flying filming models that more closely resembled real Russian aircraft. So I guess nobody ever made any diecast "Mig-28's"?
there were no "russian" aircraft during the cold war. there were only soviet ones. yes, the difference matters, and if you're pretending to be a stickler for accuracy, you might want to try to get it right.
it's a no-win situation: use models (or, these days, cgi) and it looks like models / cgi. use repainted nato aircraft, and you get people like you complaining. do you remember how bad the model scenes in firefox or tora tora tora were?
that said, iron eagle, a movie made at about the same time, used the more plausible exotic Kfirs for the "MiG-23s" - but that's because the film was shot in israel with the cooperation of the Israeli Air Force.
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Re: Attention mugs who bought TSM 1/72 Top Gun Tom
I heard the company didn't do so hot after the first top gun models materialized. Lots of delays in production, factory flaws upon release...it was a clusterf*ck
FortunateSon,
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. I enjoyed Top Gun as much as the next guy and was glad to see F-5's on film. My Dad made training films at Randolph AFB for the T-37 and T-38. The T-38 is one of my favorite planes, but other than in adversary training I cannot take it seriously as a brand new top secret Mig-28.
Plenty of movies have done a fantastic job using models before CGI, including: Empire of the Sun, the original Star Wars and the original Red Dawn. They had to use models for the scenes where an airplane is destroyed anyway, so why not? Iron Eagle was great for witnessing Israeli aircraft in action, but beyond that it was a very implausible story line and an anti-Arab propaganda movie.
As for the "Soviet Union", there never was one unless you believe the propaganda that the "United Soviet Socialist Republic" was anything other than a Russian led dictatorship. It wasn't united by choice, wasn't a Republic and wasn't really Socialist either. They never got out of the first step of Communism which is the Dictatorship of the Proletariat. So we can agree to disagree and I will continue to refer to the aircraft from there, at that time as Russian.
You are entitled to your opinions and I am entitled to mine, but I found the attitude in your post unfriendly, therefore I will have nothing more to say on the subject and you can go about nit picking other people's posts if that makes you happy.
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FortunateSon,
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.
you didn't. you were just wrong.
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Empire of the Sun, the original Star Wars and the original Red Dawn.
1. a warbird P-51
2. fictional stuff
3. a helicopter kitted out with vaguely hind-like bodykit
is not the same as asking for high performance jets to be materialized and made to fit to a us navy generously provided shooting schedule.
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As for the "Soviet Union", there never was one unless you believe the propaganda that the "United Soviet Socialist Republic" was anything other than a Russian led dictatorship.
Of course it was. Just like the country where I now find myself is entirely controlled by southern england. Tell you what, champ - why don't you go tell a regiment of scottish soldiers in a bar and ask them how proud they are of their ancestors that they fought for the English Air Force or English Army in WW2? See what kind of *** kicking that gets you? Likewise, by calling Soviet Stuff "Russian", not only are you fellating putin, you're also just historically wrong and also disrespectful of millions of non-russians who worked, fought, and died for the soviet union.
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So we can agree to disagree and I will continue to refer to the aircraft from there, at that time as Russian.
Willfully ignorant and disrespectful of other's sacrifice? Committed to your "opinion" of wrong history because your butt is hurt because you got called out on it? Going to tell me that because Empire of the Sun used a warbird P-51 and because star wars had spaceships that looked plausible to you that therefore ... something?
Re: Attention mugs who bought TSM 1/72 Top Gun Tom
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As for the "Soviet Union", there never was one unless you believe the propaganda that the "United Soviet Socialist Republic" was anything other than a Russian led dictatorship. It wasn't united by choice, wasn't a Republic and wasn't really Socialist either. They never got out of the first step of Communism which is the Dictatorship of the Proletariat. So we can agree to disagree and I will continue to refer to the aircraft from there, at that time as Russian.
Maybe you guys should be having your disagreement in private, but since you’re airing this in public. Throughout recorded history many, sometimes the majority of the occupants of certain states have been it’s reluctant subjects. This is far from being an unusual state of affairs, after all, democratic governments elected via universal suffrage are not the historical norm. There is zero requirement for a nation’s residents to like its name for it to be such. There is zero requirement for a nation’s residents to be willing subjects for it to be legitimate - sadly.
The correct full name of the USSR from 1922 to 1991 was, translated into English “The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics”. You may argue with how accurately you feel that reflected that nation’s politics, but I’m afraid I cannot agree that the name is a matter of opinion. It is quite simply a matter of historical fact. The occupants of said nation were Soviets, some, but only some of whom were of Russian ethnic origin. Fact, not open to opinion, as facts are not.
We like to say everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That is only true about subject matter that is in fact open to opinion. No-one is entitled to their own opinion on facts. They are provable.
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"Corgi made some MiG-28's before"
That would be a resounding 'no'
Well if it wasnt Corgi, some company made some in 1:200 scale for one of those commemorative postage stamp collections. I assumed it was Corgi because they used to make a lot of other fictional craft like the batmobile, vehicles from Star Trek and so on and so fourth...And these models were produced about 10-15 years ago too
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Well if it wasnt Corgi, some company made some in 1:200 scale for one of those commemorative postage stamp collections. I assumed it was Corgi because they used to make a lot of other fictional craft like the batmobile, vehicles from Star Trek and so on and so fourth...And these models were produced about 10-15 years ago too
TSM made the "mig-28s" from top gun
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Re: Attention mugs who bought TSM 1/72 Top Gun Tom
[QUOTE=Aviaction;2775656]bit insulting to other buyers of models criticising what they buy.
totally agree Steffi. after all how were the 'mugs' supposed to know Calibre would do one? especially as I think Calibre were NOT AROUND when TSM did theirs.
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No one has the right to call anyone a mug for buying models they like.
imagine being so butthurt over it being pointed out that a given chinese-made entertainment item was rubbish that you decided to respond by calling into question the underlying premise of western democracy - the right to freedom of expression.
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"Corgi made some MiG-28's before"
That would be a resounding 'no'
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Well if it wasnt Corgi, some company made some in 1:200 scale for one of those commemorative postage stamp collections. I assumed it was Corgi because they used to make a lot of other fictional craft like the batmobile, vehicles from Star Trek and so on and so fourth...And these models were produced about 10-15 years ago too
Re: Attention mugs who bought TSM 1/72 Top Gun Tom
The OP might wish to re-read the rules of this and other forums.
Nope I'll save you the bother,
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The OP might wish to re-read the rules of this and other forums.
Nope I'll save you the bother,
. By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.
My post was none of those things. Why do you hate freedom of speech so?
do yourself a favor, "aviaction" - please go visit a country where freedom of speech is actually limited. I've been to many, in many capacities. I am sure you'd not be so eager to advertise your authoritarian tendencies if you came to appreciate the freedoms you so clearly take for granted.
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My post was none of those things. Why do you hate freedom of speech so?
do yourself a favor, "aviaction" - please go visit a country where freedom of speech is actually limited. I've been to many, in many capacities. I am sure you'd not be so eager to advertise your authoritarian tendencies if you came to appreciate the freedoms you so clearly take for granted.
I don't get it either. You were a bit cynical & sarcastic, snarky maybe, but I don't see how you broke or even bent any of the rules as listed by aviaction.
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I don't get it either. You were a bit cynical & sarcastic, snarky maybe, but I don't see how you broke or even bent any of the rules as listed by aviaction.
i'd go on a rant about the snowflake generation and their fascist tendencies, but I'd ratther show this cool VFC-111 livery:
newly released from danmodels as a plastic kit, this would be a great subject for hobbymaster and it vaguely fits in with the 'top gun' theme.
more on topic - have calw announced whether the top gun release will be 'clean', 'normal', or 'weathered?' with a very plain livery, these top gun cats would look better with at least a basic degree of weathering.
Bullies love being rude and puting others down to build themselves up. Then when they are called on it, they cry freedom of speech and make you out to be a tyrant when all you are asking is for them to be civil. You can say whatever you want whenever you want. I'm certainly not going to stop you, but I will call it what is with my own freedom of speech.
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Bullies love being rude and puting others down to build themselves up. Then when they are called on it, they cry freedom of speech and make you out to be a tyrant when all you are asking is for them to be civil. You can say whatever you want whenever you want. I'm certainly not going to stop you, but I will call it what is with my own freedom of speech.
That's true, but aviaction accused FS of transgressing forum rules that he listed, which he did not.
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Coming back to the topic, I’m not enthused about either TSM or Cal Wings’ offering. I’m not paying for a movie prop “Top Gun” F-14 when there’s the VF-26 Tomcatsky- which ACTUALLY flew for the Topgun unit.
That said, Cal Wings has to make money and they’ll sell every last “Maverick” F-14, so more power to em I guess.
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That said, Cal Wings has to make money and they’ll sell every last “Maverick” F-14, so more power to em I guess.
Tomcatsky is a great calw model. very happy with it. But OTOH i'm also quite happy with the fictional "mona cat" JASDF tomcat that CalW did and i am in the early stages of actually repainting a CalW tomcat into another fantasy scheme.
Buy what you like, like what you buy.
In other news, I love the ignore feature of these forums and encourage those who don't want to hear me or any other individual speak to make use of them. Nobody is "bullying" anybody here, but surely a line must be drawn at those playing internet lawyer in order to.. and try to let this sink in - to suppress the free speech of people giving their opinions of the quality of toy airplane models made in china and the judgment of those (unnamed and unspecified) collectors who have been lured in by certain offerings. I mean, FFS, if we can't discuss this, then what is the point of this forum?
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i'd go on a rant about the snowflake generation and their fascist tendencies, but I'd ratther show this cool VFC-111 livery:
newly released from danmodels as a plastic kit, this would be a great subject for hobbymaster and it vaguely fits in with the 'top gun' theme.
more on topic - have calw announced whether the top gun release will be 'clean', 'normal', or 'weathered?' with a very plain livery, these top gun cats would look better with at least a basic degree of weathering.
It would be weathered
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if that's a pic of the calw offerings, daddy like. but that to me looks like another "custom weathered" version that somebody at calw hq did with oil paints, which i keep saying i think is a bad idea since customers will start to get the idea that that's what they get in the box. noel really has to stop showing images of "models that are better than what he is selling" because it's not going to end well.
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if that's a pic of the calw offerings, daddy like. but that to me looks like another "custom weathered" version that somebody at calw hq did with oil paints, which i keep saying i think is a bad idea since customers will start to get the idea that that's what they get in the box. noel really has to stop showing images of "models that are better than what he is selling" because it's not going to end well.
Noel said it would have the same treatment as the model in this thread
Re: Attention mugs who bought TSM 1/72 Top Gun Tom
I spent a decent bit of time looking this up prior to reserving mine and it is a pain to find the right answer since there's a number of editing errors in the movie that make it difficult.
114 is Maverick/Goose and 104 is Iceman. 203 is actually Cougar/Merlin, from the encounter with the 'MiGs' early in the movie, up to when Cougar nearly blows the carrier landing. 203 should be basically the exactly same as 114 save for the number & names.