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Old 03-29-2020, 08:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This is my first post on this site. Never knew there was a forum for aircraft model collectors.

I emailed Mr. William at HM late last year about the potential for a U-2. Considering so many companies have made the SR-71 in a 1:72 scale, I was really surprised to find there is 0 diecast U-2 models in the same scale. I asked him about this, and he said "We indeed have the plan to make the U-2 in later next year."

He did not know whether it they would produced as an earlier model of the U-2 such as the "C" variant or a more modern U-2R/S. The better generation of the U-2 that is still flying today. Personally, I really hope they make the mold for the newer R/S models as HM primarily produces modern military aircraft models.

As of last week, the decision on which generation of U-2 that will be produced has been delayed until May. Either way I am excited for this model, the Herpa 1:200 simply doesn't cut it.

I hope you all remain healthy during this rather uncertain time.

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That would be sweet, the U-2 would have a big wingspan! The SR-71 would be a no brainer, I have a few Century ones!
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Maybe an Osan based one. I actually got to see that one land.
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Let’s see... I saw in this forum the same but of the Mi-24 helicopter... and nothing yet
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Let’s see... I saw in this forum the same but of the Mi-24 helicopter... and nothing yet
I would love to have a Hind Gunship in my collection! I shall continue to hope. On the subject of the main post, A U-2 for ME-2! That would be a long box. I hope the packaging would not require the owner to have to pop them out of the plastic cradle, like say an F-4 cradle.

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Let’s see... I saw in this forum the same but of the Mi-24 helicopter... and nothing yet
Yeah, I remember Mr. William saying that the Mi-24 would come out this year. I mean, who knows they have produced two new molds that look incredible in the last 2 months. I think they are taking more of the market share from Corgi and JC wings. Hopefully they transfer that momentum into new molds. As much as I love F-16s, Su-3#s, and F-4s, they really should branch out a bit more at HM.
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if they made a u2, it'd almost certainly be a U2C - taiwan was a user as was francis gary powers, making it the most historic and probably most saleable.

hind sounds interesting. by all accounts helicopters sell poorly, but i think most of us would go for a hind or two. plus, hm seems to be swayed by the czech resellers quite strongly, and if they czechs flew them (they did, with all sorts of crazy schemes) they'll probably go for it.

i still think the mcdonnell demon is a far better choice than most of this stuff, but che sera sera
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I think the long wingspan would be a production problem, but will hope for an early Cold War version
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I think the long wingspan would be a production problem, but will hope for an early Cold War version
as with a potential 1/72 B-29, C-130, the answer should be an environmentally, retailer, and collector-storage friendly system of user-attachable wings. however, it won't be because of "reasons."
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This is my first post on this site. Never knew there was a forum for aircraft model collectors.

I emailed Mr. William at HM late last year about the potential for a U-2. Considering so many companies have made the SR-71 in a 1:72 scale, I was really surprised to find there is 0 diecast U-2 models in the same scale. I asked him about this, and he said "We indeed have the plan to make the U-2 in later next year."

He did not know whether it they would produced as an earlier model of the U-2 such as the "C" variant or a more modern U-2R/S. The better generation of the U-2 that is still flying today. Personally, I really hope they make the mold for the newer R/S models as HM primarily produces modern military aircraft models.

As of last week, the decision on which generation of U-2 that will be produced has been delayed until May. Either way I am excited for this model, the Herpa 1:200 simply doesn't cut it.

I hope you all remain healthy during this rather uncertain time.

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Thanks for asking him! I'm curious to see what that would be like!
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Ya know, I would be satisfied with an early model U-2, but the R/S model is only 4 inches longer than the early version, and it just looks so much better than the earlier models in my opinion. Interestingly though, the U-2A-C is the exact same wingspan as the E-2 that HM already produces.
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I really hope they make the newer R/S model, but imagine how good a silver U-2A would look on a model shelf in 1:72. Either way I will be happy.
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That would be sweet, the U-2 would have a big wingspan! The SR-71 would be a no brainer, I have a few Century ones!
Yeah the SR is an obvious model of choice for many companies, but there isn't a more significant plane in all of human history questionably than the U-2. Think how knowledge from that plane really changed the course of history. From 1956 until today. Its a magnificent plane!
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but there isn't a more significant plane in all of human history questionably than the U-2.
laugh. ok, bub, whatever you say.
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Yeah the SR is an obvious model of choice for many companies, but there isn't a more significant plane in all of human history questionably than the U-2. Think how knowledge from that plane really changed the course of history. From 1956 until today. Its a magnificent plane!
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laugh. ok, bub, whatever you say.
Name a more significant plane for humanity. The plane literally helped deescalated the Cold War. It literally has provide intelligence in every conflict since 1956. And I mean every conflict. Even the ones the US had nothing to do with.
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A claim I am willing to defend, easily.
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A claim I am willing to defend, easily.
yes, but you're the same guy who claims in another thread that "the spey engine ruined the F-4. I talked to a navy pilot about it" or whatever, so, there's that and what that says about your ability to gather, interpret, and report on aviation matters.

meanwhile, back in reality, i googled a bunch of "lists of most important / influential aircraft" and the like and got a number of lists from a number of the usual sources - smithsonian / air and space, various british outlets, etc. they each had slightly different criteria and at the margins some certainly made some debatable inclusions. but, do you know what united them all? the U-2 wasn't on any of the lists as far as I could see.

again, back in reality, most people would probably put the "most important aircraft in history" tag somewhere in the space of

wright flyer
DC-3/C-47
B-707

and, perhaps slightly more far afield

Bleriot XI
Junkers F-13
Ryan Monoplane
B-29
B-52
B-737
C-172
B-747
Concorde
Predator
Space Shuttle (inasmuch as it was also an aircraft)

all of those have changed the world infinitely more than the U-2 have.
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And I mean every conflict. Even the ones the US had nothing to do with.
The U-2 played the following role in the Falklands conflict:
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The U-2 played the following role in the Falklands conflict:
Ah, you got me with one of the few examples where the U-2 couldn't and had no need to preform its all important role. Mostly because there was no intelligence gathering need for the conflict considering the good relationships the US had with both sides at the time. But yes, there was no US involvement in that conflict, well there was but... no U-2
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yes, but you're the same guy who claims in another thread that "the spey engine ruined the F-4. I talked to a navy pilot about it" or whatever, so, there's that and what that says about your ability to gather, interpret, and report on aviation matters.

meanwhile, back in reality, i googled a bunch of "lists of most important / influential aircraft" and the like and got a number of lists from a number of the usual sources - smithsonian / air and space, various british outlets, etc. they each had slightly different criteria and at the margins some certainly made some debatable inclusions. but, do you know what united them all? the U-2 wasn't on any of the lists as far as I could see.

again, back in reality, most people would probably put the "most important aircraft in history" tag somewhere in the space of

wright flyer
DC-3/C-47
B-707

and, perhaps slightly more far afield

Bleriot XI
Junkers F-13
Ryan Monoplane
B-29
B-52
B-737
C-172
B-747
Concorde
Predator
Space Shuttle (inasmuch as it was also an aircraft)

all of those have changed the world infinitely more than the U-2 have.
This is completely a chicken and egg argument. Every list will be made on its own basis and criteria. So let me refine my argument and reasoning. Since you claim I am unable to do that. My basis is of aircraft that have contributed to US foreign policy, defense industry, and global relations. Sure there are plenty of better know aircraft out there that have accomplished great things for the roles they were designed for. For example, if I said what was the most effect passenger plane... fighter... whatever you want. The fact that the U-2 makes none of those lists does not surprise me. Who wants to include an obscure spy plane that literally changed the world when there are so many flashy planes that the world knows everything about?

Here's why it is the most important plane. The aircraft was absolutely instrumental during the Cold War. Its flights produced so much intelligence on potential and actual adversaries that it directly effected world history. It is an unsung hero of potentially saving the world from nuclear war. In the mid 50's it deescalated tensions over none existent bomber and missile gaps. It even called out our closest allies bluff when they were invading
sovereign countries for monetary gain (Suez Canal Crisis). It literally discovered the Cuban Missile Crisis, and provided the information to avoid near nuclear war.

That is not all, the plane continues to make the world a better place. In the 90's it proved accounts of genocide in southeastern Europe that would eventually mobilized the west against terrible injustices. It has saved countless personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan since then. Not getting into politics here. Lastly, the plane has been instrument in the defeat of Daesh in recent year under Operations Sentinel Guard, Inherent Resolve...

In conclusion, no list will even consider a plane like the U-2. It was not the fastest, not the sleekest, it couldn't carry much at all, but it is an engineering masterpiece. It did a hell of a job for what it was designed to do, the plane and the brave men that tamed the dragon deserve recognition. SO I don't care what others may say, since planes have been flying the U-2 saved us all from potentially ceasing to exist in nuclear war. That is why I consider it to be the most important plane in the history of aviation.

About the spey engine, that was kinda funny. Maybe it was just some salty old F-4 pilot, but each is going to think his is better than theirs and so on...
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A claim I am willing to defend, easily.
I'm terribly sorry but I simply can't be bothered debating a topic that seems to stem from a root assumption that the Cuban Missile Crisis is the most important event in human history. Then there's the counter argument that the U-2 photographs actually precipitated the crisis.

That's all I have to say on the subject.

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I'm terribly sorry but I simply can't be bothered debating a topic that seems to stem from a root assumption that the Cuban Missile Crisis is the most important event in human history. Then there's the counter argument that the U-2 photographs actually precipitated the crisis.

That's all I have to say on the subject.
I agree fully with Adour. Look - I know we're being a bit mean to this guy - he seems like a well meaning and enthusiastic teenager with a "big boy's book of airplanes" grasp of history, but by the same token he doesn't seem to consider the fact that some of us here might know a thing or two about aviation history as well (and have a several thousand hours of flight time under our belts) and/or that there's a reason that no external sources, also staffed by professionals, seem to find nothing compelling in his choice.

So, i agree - i'm also not going to waste my time (more than I have already) countering his argument. At some point, you just gotta be cognisant of the fact that the greater fool sometimes can be the one who spends his time countering the flat-earthers of the world.

that said, inasmuch as he seems to be a well meaning, albeit severely naive and underinformed teenager, I do wish somebody with more time or interest might give him some guidance.
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I'm terribly sorry but I simply can't be bothered debating a topic that seems to stem from a root assumption that the Cuban Missile Crisis is the most important event in human history. Then there's the counter argument that the U-2 photographs actually precipitated the crisis.

That's all I have to say on the subject.
I would agree in the statement that the U-2 may have precipitated the crisis. Especially when Maj. Anderson was shot down in a CIA bird. A quite interesting story behind that.
You could even say that the action always seemed to follow the U-2 throughout its hidden career. Maybe the Cold War was not the most important event in human history, but you must agree it was an important one none the least, and the U-2 greatly contributed to that narrative.

You gents have gotten far more into this simple discussion than I expected. I used to debate a lot so I don't mind being called naive, or to have those above me mock a young mind that wishes to reason with others. Been through that one before. I would agree that this has gone far to long though. I know I am coming at this from a very abstract point of view, one that few can understand.
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Pilot Paul, thanks for sharing your enthusiasm for the U-2, i think it is highly worthy of becoming a release. I once built a Testors 1/48 U-2, and i wish i still had it. Perhaps if this one is made, i have another chance at getting one. I suppose for now, we have 1/200 U-2's from Herpa.
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Pilot Paul, thanks for sharing your enthusiasm for the U-2, i think it is highly worthy of becoming a release. I once built a Testors 1/48 U-2, and i wish i still had it. Perhaps if this one is made, i have another chance at getting one. I suppose for now, we have 1/200 U-2's from Herpa.
A couple weeks ago I was trying to make the call between the same two models. I ended up choosing the Herpa model knowing I would not have time to finish the kit. Ha Ha!
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Wow. This is a dumb thread. I was hoping for an HM U-2 update. Nevermind. Carry on.
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Wow. This is a dumb thread. I was hoping for an HM U-2 update. Nevermind. Carry on.
I think we all hoped that, I don't think we will get any news for a while due to the pandemic.
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Looks like calw is actually gonna do a u-2

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calibre wings is doing the long-nose u2s. this excludes the u2c of gary powers, for example and also the taiwan u2cs. so, this put the u2c right in hm's wheelhouse as the two companies by agreement or happenstance split the u2 world. good news for collectors if true.
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calibre wings is doing the long-nose u2s. this excludes the u2c of gary powers, for example and also the taiwan u2cs. so, this put the u2c right in hm's wheelhouse as the two companies by agreement or happenstance split the u2 world. good news for collectors if true.
This is a dream come true for me! haha
I really hope they can co-exist and expand the 1/72 market. The new an old U-2 being a prime example.
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We'll see. Far too early to start counting chickens. HM haven't announced anything officially. We know they move much faster than CalW and I don't think they're above spoiling things for the competition.
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Ref.... https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-She...560/u-2stu-2s/

So far in reading .... depending on the version .... wingspan 103ft U2 and 105ft U2S ..... if correct and you use for example the 105ft for scaling 1:1 to 1:72 ... a model should have a wingspan of:

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That’s gonna be a sizable boxed packaging .... unless to reduce box size .... the wings are detachable (just throwing that out there)

Would be nice to see finish product by either CW and or HM

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So far in reading .... depending on the version .... wingspan 103ft U2 and 105ft U2S ..... if correct and you use for example the 105ft for scaling 1:1 to 1:72 ... a model should have a wingspan of:

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That’s gonna be a sizable boxed packaging .... unless to reduce box size .... the wings are detachable (just throwing that out there)

Would be nice to see finish product by either CW and or HM

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Old 06-17-2020, 12:39 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I did a rough estimation on the "short nose" U-2, and it has a nearly identical wingspan to the E-2, so I am sure HM could just reuse that box infrastructure made for the Hawkeye.
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We'll see. Far too early to start counting chickens. HM haven't announced anything officially. We know they move much faster than CalW and I don't think they're above spoiling things for the competition.
I agree with that. I am not hold my breath for either co, I think it will be at least a year before we see either given all that has transpired. HM still hasn't decided if they are even going to make one, and if they did they have seemed to hint it will be the older U-2.
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Hopefully it's not another f-35 like project

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What a boring possible release.
Well if the U2 is all we have to look forward to, I think it's back to snakes and ladders
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sorry, but the previous two posts are a bit ridiculous.

there's no possible reason to suggest that HM's U-2 will repeat the mistakes of the F-35, which were basically "a one-off mistake, albeit repeated across 3 variants" tied to a specific feature of the F-35. We can much more reasonably expect a HM U-2S to be "hobbymaster standard", which means a competent mould and good model. with few options and some areas of low detail. Given that the U2s - are generally "clean" (like, say, the F-117), the HM "house style" complements it relatively well.

As far as this being a "boring" release, while it's not everybody's cup of tea, it's certainly different enough that it should qualify as interesting. Far more interesting than yet another identisukhoi, in my view.

I noted that it was a "pity" because with CalW showing pics of a long-nose (U-2S, etc) design, this implies that two manufacturers will be chasing after the same variants while the equally interesting if not more historically interesting early U2 models (B and C especially) remain undone.

Assuming they are not too far into it, at this point if I were CalW i'd leave this one to HM and work on something else. I truly don't see many collectors getting more than one or two of these, maximum and while CalW's model would likely be marginally better, it would probably also be more expensive and its sales would be seriously diluted by HM's offerings.

While I'm not sure HM's actions are in response to CalW's images (after all, rumors and chat about a HM U2 have been around forever), HM does have kind of a history of dickish moves to quelch competitors, its also not clear that from a business perspective that they are doing wrong. CalW, with its generally superior quality going forward, represents a real potential competitor.

One open question is whether if CalW announces an F-35, will HM immediately announce a retool of theirs?
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sorry, but the previous two posts are a bit ridiculous.

there's no possible reason to suggest that HM's U-2 will repeat the mistakes of the F-35, which were basically "a one-off mistake, albeit repeated across 3 variants" tied to a specific feature of the F-35. We can much more reasonably expect a HM U-2S to be "hobbymaster standard", which means a competent mould and good model. with few options and some areas of low detail. Given that the U2s - are generally "clean" (like, say, the F-117), the HM "house style" complements it relatively well.

As far as this being a "boring" release, while it's not everybody's cup of tea, it's certainly different enough that it should qualify as interesting. Far more interesting than yet another identisukhoi, in my view.

I noted that it was a "pity" because with CalW showing pics of a long-nose (U-2S, etc) design, this implies that two manufacturers will be chasing after the same variants while the equally interesting if not more historically interesting early U2 models (B and C especially) remain undone.

Assuming they are not too far into it, at this point if I were CalW i'd leave this one to HM and work on something else. I truly don't see many collectors getting more than one or two of these, maximum and while CalW's model would likely be marginally better, it would probably also be more expensive and its sales would be seriously diluted by HM's offerings.

While I'm not sure HM's actions are in response to CalW's images (after all, rumors and chat about a HM U2 have been around forever), HM does have kind of a history of dickish moves to quelch competitors, its also not clear that from a business perspective that they are doing wrong. CalW, with its generally superior quality going forward, represents a real potential competitor.

One open question is whether if CalW announces an F-35, will HM immediately announce a retool of theirs?
Yeah, I would rather have a u-2b/c and a u-2s(at least I think it is) than two of the same thing.

And personally I think the calw release would be better because calw includes more features in their models.

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Well something I always wanted. Ever since I read Francis Gary Power's Operation Overflight in the 1970s, I was fascinated with U-2.

I don't think any maker will do a U-2A, so I suppose a U-2S will do.

But I will wait until HM put a Senior Span/Spur communications suite on the plane.

Now, will ever someone do a 1/72 diecast B-29 Enola Gay!!
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Well something I always wanted. Ever since I read Francis Gary Power's Operation Overflight in the 1970s, I was fascinated with U-2.

I don't think any maker will do a U-2A, so I suppose a U-2S will do.

But I will wait until HM put a Senior Span/Spur communications suite on the plane.

Now, will ever someone do a 1/72 diecast B-29 Enola Gay!!
Yeah, it's my concern that we may now have lost any chance of seeing the smaller and more historically important U-2 versions.

As for this being a boring release, well it's a big U-2. You may as well describe a black F-117 as boring, a grey F-22 as boring etc. Most big U-2s are black. There's two NASA airframes. There's the dorsal Senior Span pod, it's IMHO hideously ugly, but no doubt it will turn up at some point. So yeah, can't see people getting many, but that doesn't mean it's boring.
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This is unfortunate news.
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May I ask where you found this? Maybe it is not too late for CalW, fingers crossed. They have not worked on any tooling yet, just plastic cad models. Maybe not all hope is lost for the short nose.
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