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Old 03-02-2020, 11:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I have a reasonably large collection of HM Vietnam war US Navy Phantoms. They all come with wing fuel tanks. Looking at pictures it seems they were rarely used on navy operational missions. In your opinion, should wingtanks be included to represent an operational navy combat sortie?
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Apparently the Navy didn’t like them and it effected carrier landings. Or so I recall.
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Dear All,
I have a reasonably large collection of HM Vietnam war US Navy Phantoms. They all come with wing fuel tanks. Looking at pictures it seems they were rarely used on navy operational missions. In your opinion, should wingtanks be included to represent an operational navy combat sortie?
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Apparently the Navy used the center line tank only for most missions. As I recall (I could be wrong) the wing tanks put too much stress on the aircraft on launch......
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I have a reasonably large collection of HM Vietnam war US Navy Phantoms. They all come with wing fuel tanks. Looking at pictures it seems they were rarely used on navy operational missions. In your opinion, should wingtanks be included to represent an operational navy combat sortie?
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Centerline tanks were used on almost all Navy F-4 missions. Wing tanks were generally used only on BARCAP hops (that required longer endurance on station) and on ferry flights where longer range was needed.
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Thank you. So to recapitulate, if I wish to make HM navy F-4 birds look like on a ground attack combat mission (with AIM-9 and bombs on TERs on the inner pylons) it would make sense to discard the wing tanks and just leave outer pylons empty.

Actually it is not such a bad idea as the shape of the airframe would be more pronounced.

Will show a picture when I get to it.

Thanks again, much appreciated.
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Here're the rare shots!
All these pictures show land based aircraft!


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On 10/10/2013 at 4:17 AM, BradG said:
Oh hijack away Mark, I was interested in both USN and USAF aircraft. For the USN, Curt Dose's engagement over Kep on May 10th 1972 saw him carry only 2 sidewinder, firing both and was then out of ammo due to his RIO being unable to break out the MiGs on radar for a sparrow shot. Although later that day, 'Matt' Connerlly fired 3 sidewinders for 2 kills in Showtime 106. Why did he carry more? Cunningham and Driscoll fired 3 sidewinders too. Even few weeks later on June 2nd, Phil Handley (USAF) carried only 2 AIM-7 and two AIM-4 on his MiG killing mission. This is only known because he fired all 4 weapons and each failed, his kill was with the 20mm cannon.



There doesn't seem to be a pattern to me, making it hard to accurately model an aircraft before the engagement, which was kinda my idea here. Unless I was able to find a pic before the aircraft took off, it seems like I may be having to take a bit of an educated guess as the loads for some aircraft.

Hi. This is Curt Dose', pilot of the VF-92 F-4J in question on 10May1972. We were carrying 4 AIM-9 Sidewinders and 4 AIM-7 Sparrows that day with a centerline tank, and this was normal for that '71-'72 cruise. I attempted to fire 4 Sidewinders during the 2 F-4J v 7 MiG-21 engagement. The second Sidewinder fired shot down a MiG-21. The third shot attempt had a miss-fire on he motor and stayed on the airplane. Shots 1 and 4 tracked and exploded but could not manage the final high G turn to intercept. Randy in VF-96 would have had the same 4 + 4, centerline tank configuration. Exciting day!
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