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Yak-130 News:

Calibre Wings appears to have announced (if this is old news, I apologize) a 1/72 Yak-130. I don't know much about the Yak-130 other than it made an impression as a pleasant little airplane a few years ago at RIAT before the Russians were disinvited and aesthetically it's one of the few Russian airplanes I actually like. Happy to have a copy in 1/72 when it eventually comes. I suspect that Calibre is doing it to exploit some commonality in parts (weapons?) with their other Soviet and Russian releases, though that's just a wild guess as otherwise this is an odd choice, with all of the very limited set of existing Yak-130 users being non-entities as far as major diecast markets go (Bangladesh, Myanmar, etc). I suspect that from a business standpoint any of a number of trainers slash light attack aircraft would have made a lot more sense (L-39, MB339, even Kai T-50, and several more) would have made far more sense but, as I said, happy to have one when it comes:



B-58 News

The good news is that a 1/72 B-58 is still on the radar. Calibre has released some 'initial 3d models' of this. The bad news, as it were, is that this 3d model is a low-poly affair on which absolutely no work has yet been done to turn it into a cad engineered diecast aircraft. its literally like they plucked a 3d model from some B-58 model from some flight-sim add-on and de-skinned it. Still, I'm happy to wait to see this bird in metal, and if Calibre's past is any indication, we may have to wait a bit but the end result will be worth it.



US Navy / USAF Aircraft?

Calibre could really beat hobbymaster to the punch if it went into the space of 1950s-1980s US Navy and USAF jets instead of wasting their time on Yak-130. There are a few subjects left that only one manufacturer, max will do. This includes re-runs of old Century Wings subjects that still could have life in them.
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Well we still waiting for the SU-22, so these models would be released around 2055
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Yak-130 News:

Calibre Wings appears to have announced (if this is old news, I apologize) a 1/72 Yak-130..........
No need to apologize, but yeah - this is pretty old news. Almost a year now in case of Yak-130 and maybe half a year in case of Hustler .
First Yak-130 (3D) drawing was published on Calibre´s facebook page beginning of 2019, B-58 was announced ibid back in June 2019, then as a hint saying "Big, bad, beautiful, 1/72 scale" with heavily blurred Hustler image.

Next were B-58 and Yak-130 confirmed in the beginning of November (...about a month ago) on Calibre Wings fb in this announcement:


We would like to take a moment to address our fanbase and collectors on our deliverables this year which didn't hit the marks.
We had faced challenges with production partners and had to "re-calibrate" with others in order to deliver the best models possible.
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The F-16 comprises of the most parts we have had to contemplate with. This meant that the tooling required more time than initially anticipated to get everything to fit properly.
The SU-17/20/22's tooling is completed and undergoing testing of parts.
The SU-24's wave 2 is on hold as we are currently tooling a new part to solve the issue of the balance of the swing wings.
We are also going to introduce a totally clean Fencer as part of wave 2 for those who prefer the model to be in such a condition. This will be the Ukrainian version of wave 2.
As for new toolings, the B-58 Hustler and YAK-130 are being drawn up in 3D again after an unfortunate incident where our initial files were "lost".

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... which has been already mentioned here on DAC forum:
https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...calibre-4.html

But ok, at least we have a B-58 / YAK-130 dedicated thread from now on.




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Calibre could really beat hobbymaster to the punch if it went into the space of 1950s-1980s US Navy and USAF jets instead of wasting their time on Yak-130.
I cannot agree: same as Noel I really don´t think that releasing Yak-130 is a wasting of time. On the contrary. Yes, B-58 has all the chances to become The-most-amazing-model-of-72-scale-diecast-world, but Yak-130 with all its operators and various multirole clones (Aermacchi M-346 Master, L-15 Falcon*) have much larger sales potential.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M..._operators.png

Not mentioning that Yak-130 is simply beautiful advanced training and light combat aircraft:











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I'm aware of B58 having been announced a long time ago. I was simply reporting on the new 3d images.

With regards to Yak-130 yes I may have missed that this was previously announced. I also agree, grudgingly, that it is indeed a nice looking aircraft. I disagree with what you say about the users of it though - the other users of the Yak-130 itself are not popular diecast countries. I dont think many people are dying for a bangladeshi aircraft.

But, as to your other part - are the 'clones' really identical enough that a single mould can be shared without significant modification?
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The 2 tons green/grey looks really nice...
Algerian have interesting camo too


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Potential?!?! Trainer,.....a new modern one with some cross nationality appeal vs the B58,..arguably the most spectacular jet ever produced.

Old markets (Anglo-Saxon/US) vs new markets. Its arguable, which has the most sales potential.

It will be an interesting to see how they go.

One would think the YAK130 would be considerably cheaper. I personally have very little interest in the YAK 130 (and all its myriad of possibilities).

The B58,..on the other hand, will be very hard to beat for model of the decade (2020s),....maybe a 1:72 Boner will give it a run (if its ever produced). But if CalWings nail it,...with good NMF variation, it will be an incredible looking model.

You cannot say that about the YAK130!!
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Potential?!?! Trainer,.....a new modern one with some cross nationality appeal vs the B58,..arguably the most spectacular jet ever produced.

Old markets (Anglo-Saxon/US) vs new markets. Its arguable, which has the most sales potential.

It will be an interesting to see how they go.
It will be interesting. William at HM said to me recently that sales of trainers are low, but I think that maybe it's wrong livery choices.
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calibre has announced a tomcatters (vf-31) red tail. nice plane, but amazingly still around from century wings.

a black-tail-yellow-circle, yellow tail, or rainbow tail vf-31 bird would have been a far smarter choice from calibre. the black tail yellow circle century wings releases sell for quite a bit and HM hasn't made any of these yet.
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Potential?!?! Trainer,.....a new modern one with some cross nationality appeal vs the B58,..arguably the most spectacular jet ever produced.

Old markets (Anglo-Saxon/US) vs new markets. Its arguable, which has the most sales potential.

It will be an interesting to see how they go.

One would think the YAK130 would be considerably cheaper. I personally have very little interest in the YAK 130 (and all its myriad of possibilities).

The B58,..on the other hand, will be very hard to beat for model of the decade (2020s),....maybe a 1:72 Boner will give it a run (if its ever produced). But if CalWings nail it,...with good NMF variation, it will be an incredible looking model.

You cannot say that about the YAK130!!


I agree that trainers may have generally lower sales potential, but I´m not sure if you and me are reading the same thread?

Trainer?!?! Does Calibre´s drawing look as a trainer? Or photos above? Does Calibre invest all that money and time to release just a trainer? Of course not.

You say trainer because you want to see trainer in it, but I believe most of the collectors will percieve and buy YAK130 as a strike/attack aircraft. As a cute small strike/attack aircraft.


Also I really still do think that Yak-130 has good sales potential, far better than B-58, also from price and space reasons.

But obviously it has no sense at all to compare these two models - Calibre´s B-58 has good chances to became maybe the best diecast model .... ever? We´ll see.

Will be costly, that´s for sure, the worse will be decision which release to buy ....
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Any news about the SU-22?
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I agree that trainers may have generally lower sales potential, but I´m not sure if you and me are reading the same thread?

Trainer?!?! Does Calibre´s drawing look as a trainer? Or photos above? Does Calibre invest all that money and time to release just a trainer? Of course not.

You say trainer because you want to see trainer in it, but I believe most of the collectors will percieve and buy YAK130 as a strike/attack aircraft. As a cute small strike/attack aircraft.


Also I really still do think that Yak-130 has good sales potential, far better than B-58, also from price and space reasons.

But obviously it has no sense at all to compare these two models - Calibre´s B-58 has good chances to became maybe the best diecast model .... ever? We´ll see.

Will be costly, that´s for sure, the worse will be decision which release to buy ....
Agreed, this is more then just a trainer.

The B-58 will dump harder then Tomcats with Swiss cheese wings. 1 operator, 1 scheme and too big for such a bland model, it'll take up the space far more attractive or smaller/cheaper models could take, like the Yak130 which could be bought in multiples.

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Yep, the plans are still saved in Auto CAD for the next time Calibre want to hype up the release
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The B-58 will dump harder then Tomcats with Swiss cheese wings. 1 operator, 1 scheme and too big for such a bland model, it'll take up the space far more attractive or smaller/cheaper models could take, like the Yak130 which could be bought in multiples.
Not likely.

The B-58 will sell just as well as Century Wings’ 1/72 SR-71 - 18 Releases and counting!

YAK-130 is actually a much bigger gamble.
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I agree that trainers may have generally lower sales potential, but I´m not sure if you and me are reading the same thread?

Trainer?!?! Does Calibre´s drawing look as a trainer? Or photos above? Does Calibre invest all that money and time to release just a trainer? Of course not.

You say trainer because you want to see trainer in it, but I believe most of the collectors will percieve and buy YAK130 as a strike/attack aircraft. As a cute small strike/attack aircraft.


Also I really still do think that Yak-130 has good sales potential, far better than B-58, also from price and space reasons.

But obviously it has no sense at all to compare these two models - Calibre´s B-58 has good chances to became maybe the best diecast model .... ever? We´ll see.

Will be costly, that´s for sure, the worse will be decision which release to buy ....
Interesting. Oh I am reading the same thread,...perhaps we have different aircraft in mind.

The Soviets cancelled the YAK131 program,...all its YAKs are trainers. I'm not quite sure how many countries have bought the thing as a dedicated Light Attack aircraft? But it seems the total orders, outside of Russia, is around a 110,....many of which have not been delivered,...then perhaps the reality of a Light Attack Aircraft, is still someway off,....if it ever eventuates.
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Just to add to the discussion above. Just because the YAK130 designers have released photos of the thing carrying a 'supposed' warload, does not make it an effective attack aircraft.

The YAK130,....is just one of a plethora of advanced jet trainers capable of carrying a secondary warload. Even the RAF enable a number of its Hawk Trainers to be secondary fighters to back up the F3 in the 80s. Its not a new concept.

Another example is the venerable Macchi 326 performed such a role (or as a FAC aircraft as the RAAF utilised it back in the day) and like many other advanced trainers, a single seater aircraft was developed for such a role (Impala, in case of the 326). Clearly the T/A37 is another fine example,...….in fact, historically one can argue the T/A37 has been the most effective jet trainer (in this case basic jet trainer) converting to an attack,.....or COIN aircraft.

However, the single seater YAK131 has no orders and its been shelved by the Russians as a SU25 replacement as they have chosen to start from scratch and develop a specific dedicated SU25 replacement,...not a half arsed add-on development of an Advanced Jet Trainer. So,...at least for the moment, that's out.

The YAK130 is an advanced jet trainer,....it was designed specifically as a advanced jet trainer. All Russian Regiments equipped with the type are advanced jet training regiments. All countries (bar perhaps one) have purchased the type,....for advanced jet training.

Still, one has to admit,....the YAK130 manufacturer promotional photos are very effective.

Its an Advanced Jet Trainer. If CalWings want to pack a heap of ordnance on to entice buyers in buying it as an attack aircraft,...who I am I to say they shouldn't.

But its still an advanced jet trainer and oddly,.....that is what it is employed by the nations who have purchased it. Not a Light Attack Jet.

Still,...lets look at the countries the aircraft serves with. Russia,..well there is a couple of sales there I guess. Another one with bombs on it, for those who like such things.

Then there is Algeria, Bangladesh, Belarus, Laos, Myanmar and Syria. Syria,...has not even received theirs yet. They may make it an attack aircraft,....its their sort of thing. Cheap,...….and operating over a benign environment.

Half of this thread is about an advanced jet trainer!! How people interpret what the aircraft is and its purpose is the problem,...not an opposing view, who apparently are reading a different thread.

Just my opinion of course. Still,..funny,..but unsurprising.

Ill put a fiver on the B58,...over the advanced jet trainer.
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Thankfully the YAK-130 has been given the arse for the moment.

CalWings has moved on from the tooling and has allocated its resourcing to another tooling,...namely the B58.
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Thankfully the YAK-130 has been given the arse for the moment.

CalWings has moved on from the tooling and has allocated its resourcing to another tooling,...namely the B58.
Awesome. I'd take the B58 over the Yak-130 any day. Again, not that I'd mind a Yak-130 (I much prefer one over yet another near identical flanker variant), but a B58 by CalW should be awesome.
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Since Noel making a b-58, YAK-130, and an u-2, do you guys think he is going to make things like the b-1b, f9f-8, f7f, a decent 1/72 or 1/48 sbd dauntless, a-6, or a f-8?
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Since Noel making a b-58, YAK-130, and an u-2, do you guys think he is going to make things like the b-1b, f9f-8, f7f, a decent 1/72 or 1/48 sbd dauntless, a-6, or a f-8?
- a cougar would be great in any scale (as would a banshee). but so far calw has shown interest in pointier and/or larger aircraft.
- yak-130 apparently is on hold (i am just repeating what was reported above)
- f7f tigercat probably is a poor choice for a company like calw. there just isnt the interest / variation possible. then again, oxford made the sea hornet...
- b1b is very large. i dont think it has the widespread popularity to support the risky mould.
- as problematic as hm 1/72 sbd is, it's hard to imagine that this would be the smartest move for calw
- 1/48 sbd - i'd love one, but calw has not as yet shown any interest in 1/48 or ww2, so this is highly speculative.
- a6 or f8 are potentially more realistic for calw, but i think f35 is a better choice.
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- a cougar would be great in any scale (as would a banshee). but so far calw has shown interest in pointier and/or larger aircraft.
- yak-130 apparently is on hold (i am just repeating what was reported above)
- f7f tigercat probably is a poor choice for a company like calw. there just isnt the interest / variation possible. then again, oxford made the sea hornet...
- b1b is very large. i dont think it has the widespread popularity to support the risky mould.
- as problematic as hm 1/72 sbd is, it's hard to imagine that this would be the smartest move for calw
- 1/48 sbd - i'd love one, but calw has not as yet shown any interest in 1/48 or ww2, so this is highly speculative.
- a6 or f8 are potentially more realistic for calw, but i think f35 is a better choice.
Calw could make their own versions of cws aircraft since most of their moulds are showing their age and they listen to us consumers slightly more than cw.

A decent f-35 would sell amazingly well since calw tries to cram tons of features into their mould and since (at least i've heard) the hm mould is terrible.

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A decent f-35 would sell amazingly well since calw tries to cram tons of features into their mould and since (at least i've heard) the hm mould is terrible.

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Yeah, HM wanted to see how cheap they could make a model and get away with it. One of the many reasons why they are falling out of favor with collectors. The panel lines are terrible, the inside is hollow, and it just feels like a toy. I would love to see Caliber Wings make an F-35, but they are quite busy for the future.
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Yeah, HM wanted to see how cheap they could make a model and get away with it. One of the many reasons why they are falling out of favor with collectors. The panel lines are terrible, the inside is hollow, and it just feels like a toy. I would love to see Caliber Wings make an F-35, but they are quite busy for the future.
Yah right

Meanwhile Hobby Master have sold thousands upon thousands of F-35s.

I see no evidence of HM “falling out of favor” with Collectors - they still announce more releases every month than Calibre and Corgi release in a year!
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Yah right

Meanwhile Hobby Master have sold thousands upon thousands of F-35s.

I see no evidence of HM “falling out of favor” with Collectors - they still announce more releases every month than Calibre and Corgi release in a year!
Its true calw and corgi don't release many models a year, but corgi releases heavy bombers like the b-17, b-24, the lancaster, and other bombers and calw releases higher quality models(at least most of the time) and toolings that hobby master would never do in a long time like the su-24, the b-58, the yak-130(even thought no one asked for it) and the u-2.

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Yah right

Meanwhile Hobby Master have sold thousands upon thousands of F-35s.

I see no evidence of HM “falling out of favor” with Collectors - they still announce more releases every month than Calibre and Corgi release in a year!
You are correct in that statement, but quantity, in my opinion, can not replace quality. I view the F-35 as a bad prediction for the future of HM, but I hope that I am wrong here. I only hope for healthier competition in the future. I would love to see more companies like Calibre in the next few years, or maybe decades at the pace some of these companies go.
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For sure the HM F-35 was a swing and a miss. But they have also had their share of fine models. I thing each manufacturer has had examples that didn't hit the mark, some arguably more than others. We as collectors always have the option to buy or not. Some of us can tolerate imperfections more than others. It's an individual decision. The marketplace should sort out the good from the bad over time.
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For sure the HM F-35 was a swing and a miss. But they have also had their share of fine models. I thing each manufacturer has had examples that didn't hit the mark, some arguably more than others. We as collectors always have the option to buy or not. Some of us can tolerate imperfections more than others. It's an individual decision. The marketplace should sort out the good from the bad over time.
There's always someone who rolls those lines out. Years ago it used to be me.

Trouble is the toy aeroplane business is not a normal market. It's very small and there's a tiny number of manufacturers; compared to say automobiles, or TV sets. So yes, you can decide not to buy; but its only a perhaps that a better version will eventually be released. If so that may be in two decades time. By then the marketplace may have totally changed. Hence why so many resort to "gap fillers" and plastic.
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