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Old 12-08-2019, 02:01 PM   #1
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I’ve recently started building a modest collection of 1/48 warbirds and so far have about a half dozen models from HM that I’ve generally been pretty happy with. My latest addition is John Voll’s P-51D American Beauty (HA7739). Oddly, this model only represents a total of four .50 cals in the wings, rather than the proper 6 for a “D”. Most of the photos I can find of this model are the production ones provided by HM and they show the correct 6 gun configuration. I did find someone selling a used copy on eBay and their plane has the same issue as mine.

Does anyone know if Hobby Master screwed up the entire run of this model or was it only some of them? I’m wondering if my only options are to either get a refund or decide to live with it, or if it’s possible to find one of these with the right gun configuration?
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Personally I don't know, but in general if you or anybody feel it's a missing parts or broken parts issue when it comes to HM.... Try contacting them.... It's been my experience they will ship at no cost to you, ....missing or replaceable parts from newly released or quasi current releases possibly within the last 2 years if not older.

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Good catch. I just checked mine has 4 as well. Not my favourite livery so I guess i rarely had it out of the box enough to notice.
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It looks like the gunports are interchangeable between the B/C and D models from the production photos. Probably just installed the 2-gun ports instead of the 3-gun ports by mistake?
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It looks like the gunports are interchangeable between the B/C and D models from the production photos. Probably just installed the 2-gun ports instead of the 3-gun ports by mistake?
I’m sure that’s exactly what happened. Problem is that, as far as I can tell, the module with the gun ports is glued in place at the factory. There’s no ability to just swap for a three-gun module. What I’m wondering is if they made this mistake with the entire run.
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Personally I don't know, but in general if you or anybody feel it's a missing parts or broken parts issue when it comes to HM.... Try contacting them.... It's been my experience they will ship at no cost to you, ....missing or replaceable parts from newly released or quasi current releases possibly within the last 2 years if not older.

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That's not what this is though. HM have released the plane with the incorrect gun inserts fitted in the wings,but the production sample on their website shows the correct ones.
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That's not what this is though. HM have released the plane with the incorrect gun inserts fitted in the wings,but the production sample on their website shows the correct ones.
if you turn this into an issue, them HM's eventual response would be to stop pre-pro pics. none of us wants this.

anyway, hm is the least to blame for this. the stuff that corgi puts on their box tops compared to what's in the box would probably see them fined by the trading standards act if anybody bothered taking them to task for it. hm is hardly a serious offender in this.
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if you turn this into an issue, them HM's eventual response would be to stop pre-pro pics. none of us wants this.
That’s completely absurd. This has nothing to do with pre-production models vs retail. This is 100% an assembly mistake by HM. Pre-production photos or not, releasing a P-51D with only 4 guns is just flat out wrong. Someone on the assembly line grabbed the wrong bin of parts, simple as that.

Sadly, HM either doesn’t have anyone doing QC, or by the time they caught it they decided it was too much work to correct and knowingly sent out bad product. Either way, I’m not exactly thrilled over having spent full price on a model with such a glaring inaccuracy.
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if you turn this into an issue, them HM's eventual response would be to stop pre-pro pics. none of us wants this.

anyway, hm is the least to blame for this. the stuff that corgi puts on their box tops compared to what's in the box would probably see them fined by the trading standards act if anybody bothered taking them to task for it. hm is hardly a serious offender in this.
This wasn't a pre-pro though- according to the OP this was the final production sample that had the correct guns which the model you actually get doesn't have. A different issue from Corgi's box art too, as Corgi does not claim it's a pic of the 'final production model' on any of the boxes.

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This wasn't a pre-pro though- according to the OP this was the final production sample that had the correct guns which the model you actually get doesn't have. A different issue from Corgi's box art too, as Corgi does not claim it's a pic of the 'final production model' on any of the boxes.
so, I've always taken the HM picture labels of "pre pro" and "production model" with a huge grain of salt. often the "pre pro" has effectively been the production model and often what is listed as "production model" or "final model" ends up not being the same as what is in the box. what i do mean is that HM has a history of choosing to disengage with the public as the business maxim of "one bit of bad publicity is more bad than 10 bits of good publicity" took hold, and i'd hate for them to stop putting out photos via the HMC website and such.

as far as "as Corgi does not claim it's a pic of the 'final production model' on any of the boxes" goes, that's odd reasoning. if the consumer sees a pic on the box of a model, he/she is reasonable to assume that that's the model inside. as i said, i dont fault corgi for what they do - this is a small industry and they do their best. i just do mean to say that if somebody was so inclined to take them to task for it, they'd have a legitimate case. the pic of the model of one vampire i recall for example bore no resemblance to the item inside as they photographed the clay master or whatever. quick fixes would include adding a clear disclaimer to the boxes or just using representative art that is clearly not a model on the box covers.
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This wasn't a pre-pro though- according to the OP this was the final production sample that had the correct guns which the model you actually get doesn't have. A different issue from Corgi's box art too, as Corgi does not claim it's a pic of the 'final production model' on any of the boxes.
Leaving Corgi's fantasy box art aside, people need to remember that the Hobby Master Collector site isn't a Hobby Master owned site. It's not "their site". It's a privately run resource for collectors, and doesn't always have all the information. Some of us have even donated money to help with its running costs. This is far, far from being a unique case. Bricks and mortar model shops have mostly gone the way of the Dodo. The only ways to be certain about what product you're getting, are to see genuine collector pictures or buy it yourself.

If the site starts to be seen by HM as a source of complaints there's a very real chance they'll stop supplying it with any information. I'm afraid I have to say that Asian face saving and conflict avoidance psychologies are at play. Whether people like it or not, think it's sensible or not - is completely irrelevent.

HM, like all diecast manufacturers, screws up regularly. Welcome to collecting diecast. Dragging HMC into it as somehow being partially culpable is not helpful.

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if the site starts to be seen by hm as a source of complaints there's a very real chance they'll stop supplying it with any information. I'm afraid i have to say that asian face saving and conflict avoidance psychologies are at play. Whether people like it or not, think it's sensible or not - is completely irrelevent.
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If your intent was to warn other collectors it started out okay but then degenerated into a mess. It was suggested that you contact HM to see if they could/would do something.

BTW, while P-51Ds left the factories with six wing guns, some in the PTO were field modified to swap one gun per wing for more ammo or more speed. Four guns were enough against lightly protected Japanese aircraft. Not that American Beauty was so modified, but just saying that all P-51Ds did not have six .50cals.

And on another note, I used to collect NASCAR diecast and one of the most valuable pieces was a Dale Earnhardt Silver Monte Carlo where the mold was cut so that the diecast was too tall, resulting in a bubble-top appearance. Even when released with the correct dimensions the wrong car continues to command a much higher price.
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BTW, while P-51Ds left the factories with six wing guns, some in the PTO were field modified to swap one gun per wing for more ammo or more speed. Four guns were enough against lightly protected Japanese aircraft. Not that American Beauty was so modified, but just saying that all P-51Ds did not have six .50cals.
To your point....yes, the P-51D armament is stated to have used 4 (.50's) or 4+2 for 6 (.50's) with specific rounds per gun (RPG) required ammo stores quantity .....presumably for different types of missions.

Also as pictured, is a replica, or restored...not sure, no additional info to support either way. What is seen are 6 gun ports, 4 (.50's) of which are appear be installed (or mocked) and then 2 (.50's) missing and or blanked off ports (?).

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To your point....yes, the P-51D armament is stated to have used 4 (.50's) or 4+2 for 6 (.50's) with specific rounds per gun (RPG) required ammo stores quantity .....presumably for different types of missions
....this drawing shows a P-51B 4 gun version...

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The aircraft 44-15459 that was American Beauty is not known to survived the war or postwar scrapping. Two tribute aircraft were painted as American Beauty, 44-73436 in Olympia Washington, and 67-22581, a Cavalier Mustang built for service in South America later sold into private hands that was painted as American Beauty for many years but is now painted as Lou IV and is based at the Mid American Flight Museum in Texas.
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The aircraft 44-15459 that was American Beauty is not known to survived the war or postwar scrapping. Two tribute aircraft were painted as American Beauty, 44-73436 in Olympia Washington, and 67-22581, a Cavalier Mustang built for service in South America later sold into private hands that was painted as American Beauty for many years but is now painted as Lou IV and is based at the Mid American Flight Museum in Texas.

On the Joe Baugher website....regarded by some to be an authority of documented serialized military aircraft.....states the following for the P-51D 44-15459.....

He crashed on my bday (not byear)

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Blues, Thanks for that info. This guy is great and his site was an instant bookmark.
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