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Old 08-27-2019, 01:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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J-15 pre-production photos are up on Hawkone’s site:
www.hobbymastercollector.com/HA6402.html


Looks like HM stepped up game with J-15, however there are still some homeworks to do:


1. Canopy interior behind the pilot should be grey, not light blue!
http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/atta...1ac451750c.JPG
http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/atta...1ac451c60f.JPG


2. Folding hinges on topsides
Hinges of folding wingtips on PLANAF J-15s are NOT grey as on HM model - they are boldly and clearly represented in distinctive metallic black (or dark grey).
http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/atta...1ac4512d0a.JPG
http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/atta...0138365877.JPG
HM already saved huge money on wings / tails being not foldable, so they should really take care at least to correctly replicate the hinges - don´t they?


3. IRST sensor color in front of the canopy
All PLANAF J-15s have front portion of IRST sensor in darker grey than rear part. Front part of HM J-15 IRST sensor should thus be painted darker grey (same shade of grey as nose cone/radome).
http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/atta...1ac451c60f.JPG
http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/atta...1ac451750c.JPG


4. Deflector ahead of front IRST sensor
J-15 uses special deflector in front of the IRST sensor. This deflector appears to be modelled on HM´s J-15 (... somehow), but should be painted (or tampo printed) flat black.
https://i.ibb.co/p1nZ0Pn/vfl-KJ-a-G8...Goeavn-Znc.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZawRPOzp2...1-1024x655.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEVb7RRXUAAi9ML.jpg
http://www.eastpendulum.com/wp-conte...e-Su-33-12.jpg
http://eng.mod.gov.cn/news/attacheme...8102571766.JPG
http://n.sinaimg.cn/mil/8_img/upload...rmp9919903.jpg


5. Nose landing gear

Apparently HM used SU-33 NLG for J-15, anyway nose landing gear of J-15 appears to be different:
https://news.usni.org/wp-content/upl...15_catobar.jpg
https://www.aviationsmilitaires.net/...ujVwAAEolN.jpg
http://www.eastpendulum.com/wp-conte...e-Su-33-12.jpg
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/...3a83324d4347c3



6. Tampos
Seems that HM made effort to improve otherwise rather boring J-15s greyish upper surfaces by using multiple tampos. The more is strange that some of the most visible tampos are still missing:

6a+6b. Big metallic color vent right to dorsal antenna + big metallic color canon vent near right canard are missing:
http://www.eastpendulum.com/wp-conte...e-Su-33-12.jpg
http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/atta...1ac451e811.jpg


6c. Tampo around dorsal antenna is missing:
http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/atta...1ac452e445.JPG


6d. Silver metal strip tampo around the windscreen base is missing:
https://i.ibb.co/p1nZ0Pn/vfl-KJ-a-G8...Goeavn-Znc.jpg
https://21stcenturyasianarmsrace.fil...april-2018.jpg


6e. Front part of vertical tails is of different shade of grey (also inner sides):
https://www.naval.com.br/blog/wp-con...Chinesa-11.jpg
http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/atta...1ac4511709.JPG
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-grwTakW5m...aoning%2B9.jpg
http://www.naval.com.br/blog/wp-cont...ning-new-8.jpg

6f. Red "x" is missing:
https://tiananmenstremendousachievem...ighter-jet.jpg

6g. LERX leading edges are of different shade of grey.
http://www.eastpendulum.com/wp-conte...e-Su-33-12.jpg

6h. Metallic plating around the canon spreads to underside:
http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/atta...1ac451dc10.jpg

6i. I dunno - is it too much to ask these tampos inside the NLG gear doors?
http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/atta...1ac451b10e.JPG


Like every Flanker, J-15 has arc angle scale in front of each rear horizontal tail. Question is: because its not visible on pre-pro photos, is this yellow tampo present on HM J-15?
http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/atta...1ac452c21f.jpg
https://www.modelaces.com/wp-content...e-Model-37.jpg





I´m personally very missing extended dorsal air brake possibility. I regret that HM decided to go this cheapo way. In case of Flanker its "way below expectations".


And final groan of Flanker´s fan:
Each and every HM Flanker new release I can´t believe how such an experienced company as HM could literally kill this beautiful airframe by the stupid reckless destructive stingy despicable and horrible decision to make front division line horizontal !!! ! Sorry me, but I really think that the "specialist" who in HM decided to make front division line horizontal should suffer in hell for ages !!!. For me he / she´s simply "The One-who-doesn´t-understand-Flankers"!
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Old 08-27-2019, 02:42 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Yeap everyone gets lazy after a while. They just basically want to copy over everything as much as they can.....

so basically they take the same su-33 mould and slap on the same chinese missiles from J-11, which is just a su-27 being copied over with different missile.

See the loadout for the HA6002 J-11:

also, i want to point out that the pylons for the su-33, su-27 are interchangeable. su-34 and su-35 pylons are interchangeable with each other. However, the su27/33 pylons are keyed completely different from the su-34/35 pylons so you can't put the weapons from su-34/35 onto su-27/33.

Which is really sad because as you can see, the su-27/33 currently only have the rocket pods as their air to ground weapons, while the su-34/35 has a lot more cool air to ground weapons, several which would make perfect anti ship weapons also.

not sure why HM didn't think about this beforehand....
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Old 08-27-2019, 04:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I have the Terebo version of this model, which I am quite happy with for the price:


https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Terebo-1...-/173268292566


Now that Hobby Master is moving into Soviet and Chinese aircraft, I have been upgrading (?) into their versions. While I can forgive the other manufacturer's versions their faults due their cheaper prices, I expect more from the premium brands and have not always been satisfied with their efforts.


Is it worth it this time, or should I wait for a later revision (if one comes out)?
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Old 08-27-2019, 04:21 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I have the Terebo version of this model, which I am quite happy with for the price:


https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Terebo-1...-/173268292566


Now that Hobby Master is moving into Soviet and Chinese aircraft, I have been upgrading (?) into their versions. While I can forgive the other manufacturer's versions their faults due their cheaper prices, I expect more from the premium brands and have not always been satisfied with their efforts.


Is it worth it this time, or should I wait for a later revision (if one comes out)?

not bad looking. are landing gears removable?

well, there's not gonna be many su-33/J-15 choices.

we are still waiting the the miracle jc wing su-34, which i have half gave up on and got an HM su-34....

i don't know why there is not much choice for ground ordinance for all these su-33/j-15.
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Old 08-27-2019, 04:32 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I have the Terebo version of this model, which I am quite happy with for the price:


https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Terebo-1...-/173268292566


Now that Hobby Master is moving into Soviet and Chinese aircraft, I have been upgrading (?) into their versions. While I can forgive the other manufacturer's versions their faults due their cheaper prices, I expect more from the premium brands and have not always been satisfied with their efforts.


Is it worth it this time, or should I wait for a later revision (if one comes out)?
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Old 08-27-2019, 06:56 AM   #6 (permalink)
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For wildpig:
No the landing gears and ordnance are fixed, but at least they don't need to be trimmed to fit, or glued in. Also the models have a satisfying weight to them.


Without expressing any political opinions, I can feel a genuine national pride being expressed in the Chinese models. It would be nice if a Russian manufacturer (are there any?) could do the same.


For JackHS:
If the "Premium" manufactures want my business, they need to provide a "Premium" product. I feel I have been wasting my money lately. Several of my pre-order models have been removed from my list today.
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I’m very tempted to buy this beautiful bird
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Old 08-27-2019, 02:02 PM   #8 (permalink)
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If I can add something:
all that are unhappy with pylons interchangeability, who are expecting more from premium or "premium" brands, who have any comments or suggestions, or simply all who want better HM models - whether this J-15 or any other - don´t wait and send your email to Hobby Master on [email protected] or to [email protected]

The more people will contact HM / the more emails we send, the more likely HM will finally deliver improved model. Every mail counts.
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Too late for this. William says it's already produced. Apparently, some of the defects were planned to be fixed, but the factory failed to do so. Not really sure how this kind of thing seems to keep happening.

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It turned up on a couple of Hong Kong sellers websites yesterday. The price is US $110, I think I will pass for the moment.
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Too late for this. William says it's already produced. Apparently, some of the defects were planned to be fixed, but the factory failed to do so. No really sure how this kind of thing seems to keep happening.

s¥€<%#* !!! - as says your Signature, Adour .

That hurts. Can´t believe.
And it only shows in how bad condition The Famed Hobby Master Company is these days. They must be perfectly aware of how bloody wretched work they perform in development phase of every single model. They must realize that collectors´ information are regularly saving them big mistakes on almost every model - and they release pre-pro photos after the model is produced.... (supposing the delay wasn´t on Hawkone’s side)

And on top of it all they even fail in fixing at least the mistakes they already know about!!! . Oh dear. Have they already reached the bottom? Something is wrong in HM. No hope.
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Now, with Hobby Master problems I´m aslo starting to consider Terebo version as dollfins posted ....

... although my dream remains this J-15 which I personally consider as the best J-15 ever, far better than HM and Terebo efforts:


Review with more photos:
https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...-72-scale.html


+: Overall shape: very good, almost excellent, sleek and dynamic look, correct NLG, slanted wingtips - it has everything what lazy Hobby Master refused to do
+: working dorsal air brake and nicely done foldable wings / rear stabs with realistic hinges
-: I like the yellow-red stripes on operational versions, which are not present on the AVIC J-15 (of course, decals can be used, together with stencils)
-: Not possible to find. Totally unavailable. Maybe on Taobao, but its difficult/impossible to buy there.
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looks nice! i like the wing folding for both main wings and hor stabs! haven't seen folding stabs before. they could be points of weakness if not carefully manufactured though.


the mixed full loadout is good! wondering if landing gears removable
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No...it's fixed...in reference to the terebo version

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looks nice! i like the wing folding for both main wings and hor stabs! haven't seen folding stabs before. they could be points of weakness if not carefully manufactured though.


the mixed full loadout is good! wondering if landing gears removable

that really sucks. All 1/72 should have removable gears as standard.
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Ladia
I own this model in mint condition, with box,
I plan to replace it with HM J15 version, if you are interested to get it....
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Many thanks. PM sent. L.
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Old 12-16-2019, 12:35 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Excellent video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqgw_tN6n4k

Looks like Chinese have mastered carrier operations already better than original Varyag builders ... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-latest-mishap


And again, everytime I see the real Flanker / J-15 I realize how troubled is that hapless HM mold with its horizontal division line in the front that spoils overal drooped appearance of the Flanker. Its frustrating that such an impressive aircraft still doesn´t have its diecast sibling without substantial issues; so far all diecast manufacturers failed to make correct Flanker (... apart from totally unavailable AVIC J-11/J-16 and "unknown chinese manufacturer´s" SU-35).
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This is one of the things I enjoy the most about buying a model. Hunting down patches to tie up with that particular model. They look cool displayed together imo. Found these on Ebay a while back. PLAAF J-15 Shark patches. Original pilot issues. Not cheap though, but very nice. I have many from this seller.


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Curious to see if the issues Ladia pointed out on the 1st release will be corrected on this one? Added to Feb 2020 list. #114

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Curious to see if the issues Ladia pointed out on the 1st release will be corrected on this one? Added to Feb 2020 list. #114

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Yeah, that would be nice, especially when correcting those issues actually does not require much of investments, basically just a little bit more love for the models from the Hobby Master side.
HM reportedly already wanted to correct some of the HA6402 mistakes at that time, but as Adour posted, it was too late. "It's already produced" said HM 1 DAY(!) AFTER PRE-PROS WERE RELEASED !!!!!!!!!!!
...even their own production doesn´t have HM fully under control?

Usually, later HM releases are often improved from the previous ones, however I´m bit afraid that HA6403 can be already produced too - it would fit in with HM´s split runs policy, especially when it comes to consecutive releases HA6402+03.
But I may be wrong - I would actually be happy of being wrong, or maybe HM painted them just partially, so the easiest way is if someone with good contacts with HM can ask if they are planning to make any corrections on HA6403 from the summary above.
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Yeah, that would be nice, especially when correcting those issues actually does not require much of investments, basically just a little bit more love for the models from the Hobby Master side.
HM reportedly already wanted to correct some of the HA6402 mistakes at that time, but as Adour posted, it was too late. "It's already produced" said HM 1 DAY(!) AFTER PRE-PROS WERE RELEASED !!!!!!!!!!!
...even their own production doesn´t have HM fully under control?

Usually, later HM releases are often improved from the previous ones, however I´m bit afraid that HA6403 can be already produced too - it would fit in with HM´s split runs policy, especially when it comes to consecutive releases HA6402+03.
But I may be wrong - I would actually be happy of being wrong, or maybe HM painted them just partially, so the easiest way is if someone with good contacts with HM can ask if they are planning to make any corrections on HA6403 from the summary above.
I hope so. Didn't want to spend $129.99us on a model I was not going to be happy with. I would really like to have this to go with my other PLAAF/PLANF aircraft.
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