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Old 05-17-2019, 06:46 AM   #1
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A few random questions / comments on recent releases:

EA-18G - Growler.

This is listed by Hobbymaster as as 'new tooling' and it has its own section on the HMC website. Can anybody please explain how different this is from the F-18F?

HA7740 P-51D Mustang "Jumpin Jacques"

This appears to be another stunning HM P-51 release.

1/48 P-40B/C

The mould is pretty much as expected, though it should come with ring sights. In general, I won't get any (i have all 3 carousel1 releases, which are better, rubber guns and all) but I will get one if HM makes one with a natural metal finish. A P-40B/C with a natural metal finish from HM would look great.

1/48 F4F Wildcat

HM has a decent but unspectacular F4F mould. There are many things that they can do with this, including a few british releases. One release that I'd love to see is the 'red cowl' guadalcanal version that Dragon released as a 1/72 model:



Mirage

The recent HM mirage release shows how far HM quality has fallen. While not terrible, just compare this with the old release with a similar livery and you'll see there is no comparison. While you might argue at the margins that the blue or grey color is slightly more accurate in the new release, overall the old release has a presence and subtle detailing that the new one can't approach. That said, there are a few places such as in a few small fine details where the new one is slightly better.

1/48 P-47

It's time for HM to step up with some more interesting 1/48 P-47s. They have some great moulds that have been underutilized thanks to poor livery choices ("silver lady", "penrod and sam", "pisanos", etc)

Hurricane

Let's hope the new night reapear and airshow SEAC livery versions open the floodgates of a host of new and exciting liveries for this very good mould.

Su-27

Ukraine splinter schemes are can't lose, superb releases. What is HM waiting for?

Phantom

I've been banging on about this without much effect recently, but HM better release some colourful JASDF phantoms before Air Commander beats them to the punch.

Tomcat

I saw the freelancers tomcat in person in japan. looks good. time for HM to make the splinter NSAWC bird ASAP though.

EA-6

We are still waiting for a playboy bunnies / cherry point one. This is arguably a top 2 or 3 iconic livery for this bird.. where is it?

Century wings birds

Surely it's time for HM to make a crusader and intruder, no? Century wings is on life support at best.


Helicopters

Helicopters continue to get nearly no discussion here or in other similar fora. Let's face it - as great as the releases are, they just don't generate the excitement that fixed wing aircraft do.

Calibre Wings

Rumour has it that CW's next su24 releases are imminent. The pitot (rubber plastic as it is) is not that bad - really. My friend the su24 expert has built metal replacements for his but honestly the included one is mostly fine and the idea that it isn't is a talking point tossed around the forums that's taken a life of its own mostly by people who havent acutally seen the real thing.

AFter being cool on it initially, I've become interested in their upcoming F-16. I like detailed models and it certainly qualifies. I just wish they chose more interesting liveries.

Calibre is essentially now the quality leader in the market. You might argue about Air Commander too, but they seem disconnected from the people.

Hobbymaster Sabre

Hobbymaster badly needs to create 'F' wings for their sabre so that they can release JASDF Blue Impulse and many many other liveries.

Air Commander

Their Vietnam camo releases aren't cutting it. Time to take their excellent moulds and house styles and find liveries that work with both.

Corgi

I don't really follow corgi any more, but I see that they have a new Halifax out. If you collect 1/72 bombers, corgi's halifaxes are just wonderful.
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Old 05-17-2019, 06:09 PM   #2
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A few random questions / comments on recent releases:
Su-27

Ukraine splinter schemes are can't lose, superb releases. What is HM waiting for?



Century wings birds

Surely it's time for HM to make a crusader and intruder, no? Century wings is on life support at best.


1. i agree

2. hell yes! (i am a crusader fanatic) i might add, a corsair II would be nice too, the jc wings aren't bad but not great either
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These schemes or similar

1/48 P-40B/C


1/48 P-47



Hurricane




Su-27

Ukrainian digital camo is a no brainer

Calibre


Note that the nose is also not cream and where the shark mouth extends to.

Hobby Master

Waiting on their MiG-29, again Ukrainian digital schemes are an obvious choice but seems like HM don't do obvious, they prefer to release stuff no one ever cared for and then wonder why sales are down. F-8, A-6 and A-7 have missed the boat, there would have been a time collectors bought the crap out of these but with the way things are now, I very much doubt that's still the case and I reckon HM from now on will be very cautious with their new toolings. They seem to release a few models and then that mould fades away once it's not the big hit they expected it to be. Again polls on their website or start a FB page would give them a clearer picture on what moulds / schemes to release.

Helicopters

Not interested in any of the plain olive green Apaches. The JGSDF has some very serious flaws in the scheme, I don't think HM are fixing it. Other then that, an Israeli Apache in two tone desert colours. Only other helicopter I'd bother with is the Hind.
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Speaking of the HM Mirage 2000, i still prefer the first HA1601 version because to me the grey color is both more correct & appealing IMO.. with the new version that just came out HA1614, the grey color has a lot of pink mixed in which i don't really like that much, it's very noticeable when you put both models side by side for color comparison, the grey in first version HA1601 has a slight 'green' to it whereas the new version HA1614 has definitely a pink/grey color combination, especially under certain light conditions..

But one minor flaw that is corrected on the new HA1614 version is that when the model is displayed in the flight mode, the front landing gear doors is not sticking out any more.. with the first releases HA1601 & HA1602 that was very noticeable, only if the models were displayed in the flight mode with all landing gears retracted..
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First HM MiG-29 scheme is out. Same as Herpa's first Soviet Fulcrum, only difference is they did White 52 and it looks like HM version might offer more markings.

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i've provisionally unblocked you as you've behaved.

glad the first mig29 scheme is one that i dont like. hopefully they'll get the bugs out.

the profile pic shows a fair amount of technical stencils let's see if reality will match this.
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the ef-18g takes the leading edge dog-tooth away and adds wing-blade

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the red parts are the differences
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I cant see the pic of the G so apologies if it shows this.
In addition to the leading edge and the wing fence there is also the "pizza box" receiver that sits just in front of the hori stab and behind the wing.

As for the Prowler...I think they will be hard pressed to release a Playboy bunny with all the licencing red tape that surrounds it,but I would love to see it. I've wanted one for as long as I've been collecting so may have to resort to doing my own.
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First Fulcrums scheme is defo not the best but if there aren't any major bugs with it and nothing else is out, I might pick it up.

The dangerous thing for HM now is, Herpa have a fairly competent release of their own, if the colours are off, it's gonna instantly look bad.

Herpa's version for reference

https://www.eztoys.com/russian-air-f...cale-1-72.html
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I dont think that actual copyright issues prevent the prowler scheme being made. However, HM's fear that there might be might.

So, the HM growler may have a few new parts. Great. This makes it about as 'new tooling' as the EF-111 for example. But, we all know that HMC/HM's calls of 'new tooling' are a bit arbitrary at times - all spitfires are in one category on the HMC website despite there being at least 2 or 3 end to end different toolings in there.

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I dont think that actual copyright issues prevent the prowler scheme being made. However, HM's fear that there might be might.

So, the HM growler may have a few new parts. Great. This makes it about as 'new tooling' as the EF-111 for example. But, we all know that HMC/HM's calls of 'new tooling' are a bit arbitrary at times - all spitfires are in one category on the HMC website despite there being at least 2 or 3 end to end different toolings in there.

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Try this one? I have the same question before when witty released their G, sadly witty just added the wing fence
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Photos of the Growler are up on the HM Collector website. https://hobbymastercollector.com/HA5150.html

First thoughts?
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Don't know about accuracy but it sure looks nice. Will wait for another scheme though.
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It appears that HM are also using Corgi apple green

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i've provisionally unblocked you as you've behaved.

glad the first mig29 scheme is one that i dont like. hopefully they'll get the bugs out.

the profile pic shows a fair amount of technical stencils let's see if reality will match this.
Likewise, I've also unblocked you now, granted we can let bygones be bygones. This hobby has an expiration date and it serves no purpose to butt heads over nothing, we both want the best models. If there's an issue, PM me instead.
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A few random questions / comments on recent releases:

EA-18G - Growler.

This is listed by Hobbymaster as as 'new tooling' and it has its own section on the HMC website. Can anybody please explain how different this is from the F-18F?

They have made a bit of a mess with the first release as it still carries its gun,....which the Growler, does not carry. The wingtip stations are also different.


HA7740 P-51D Mustang "Jumpin Jacques"

This appears to be another stunning HM P-51 release.

Kinda not getting into HM's P51s these days. There is a couple that I have my eye on,...for possible dumping. The wing gun insert issue still rankles with many collectors,...as its still a bit of a rough compromise.

But yes, the Jacques release is as 'Flash as a Rat with a Gold Tooth'.


1/48 P-40B/C

The mould is pretty much as expected, though it should come with ring sights. In general, I won't get any (i have all 3 carousel1 releases, which are better, rubber guns and all) but I will get one if HM makes one with a natural metal finish. A P-40B/C with a natural metal finish from HM would look great.

I personally think the latest AVG release is a debacle. The colours are just wrong,...by a fair margin in my view. However some lads do disagree with me. No one thinks they nailed it though.

For me Desert, RAAF and single Blighty based P40B will pry money from my wallet. But at this stage,...not particularly impressed with what HM has dished out so far.


1/48 F4F Wildcat

HM has a decent but unspectacular F4F mould. There are many things that they can do with this, including a few british releases. One release that I'd love to see is the 'red cowl' guadalcanal version that Dragon released as a 1/72 model:

Purchased my first HM F4F, the USS Cole release. Looks good in the pictures. The pad-printing is a touch off to the real thing (I tracked down a photo of the actual aircraft) but I love the colours. I must have a thing for US Atlantic schemes.

I too would like to see the "red cowl" release. Actually,....I am after a cheap FM F4F so I can do a comparison with the three toolings. FM, HM and C1.


Mirage

The recent HM mirage release shows how far HM quality has fallen. While not terrible, just compare this with the old release with a similar livery and you'll see there is no comparison. While you might argue at the margins that the blue or grey color is slightly more accurate in the new release, overall the old release has a presence and subtle detailing that the new one can't approach. That said, there are a few places such as in a few small fine details where the new one is slightly better.

I bought it. I now have two French Mirage 2000s and a 2000N. I've moved on.

The only Mirages that will get me excited is the Mirage III and Mirage IV. Neither of which is going to happen with HM. Which leaves Premium X. I have seen prototypes for both toolings. But in typical fashion for Premium X,......no one knows when they will be actually real??


1/48 P-47

It's time for HM to step up with some more interesting 1/48 P-47s. They have some great moulds that have been underutilized thanks to poor livery choices ("silver lady", "penrod and sam", "pisanos", etc)

I thought "Penrod and Sam" was a good choice. A NMF Razorback, with a high kill count and some flashy colours.

Would not mind a RAF SEAC scheme P47.


Hurricane

Let's hope the new night reapear and airshow SEAC livery versions open the floodgates of a host of new and exciting liveries for this very good mould.

Yeah,..not sure. Gary at Tiger Hobbies has invested in some airshow birds (three of them) recently,...which caused a big row over at the other place.

Particularly the Whalen SEAC IIc release,...without the damn filter, as seen with Hurricane PZ865. I tried to point out that aircraft was changing schemes for this years airshow season,....last year. Ouch!!

At anyrate,...a 1 SQN Night Reaper is coming soon,...so that will be exciting.

Ill await the IId and desert schemes before buying anymore (other than the Night Reaper),....and of course a proper Whalen release.



Su-27

Ukraine splinter schemes are can't lose, superb releases. What is HM waiting for?

Not really my thing. I bought an older JCW release,...because I saw it at RIAT last year. But other than that,....just about done for SU27s.

Phantom

I've been banging on about this without much effect recently, but HM better release some colourful JASDF phantoms before Air Commander beats them to the punch.

Well,...the latest farewell releases have been announced,..so your wish has come true.

Tomcat

I saw the freelancers tomcat in person in japan. looks good. time for HM to make the splinter NSAWC bird ASAP though.

My Tomcat shelf is full. I maybe be able hold one more. Love the CAT,...the most coolest looking fighter in the post was era. But I am just about done with the type.

EA-6

We are still waiting for a playboy bunnies / cherry point one. This is arguably a top 2 or 3 iconic livery for this bird.. where is it?

Been some discussion on playboy symbol and its possible trademark. No idea if it has legs though??

Century wings birds

Surely it's time for HM to make a crusader and intruder, no? Century wings is on life support at best.

Kinda moved on from them to be frank. They desperately need a new tooling,...in my view of course.


Helicopters

Helicopters continue to get nearly no discussion here or in other similar fora. Let's face it - as great as the releases are, they just don't generate the excitement that fixed wing aircraft do.

It gets plenty of discussion over at that other place. Lads are particularly excited with the HM Apache and the soon to be released Corgi Gemini X recovery SeaKing.

Calibre Wings

Rumour has it that CW's next su24 releases are imminent. The pitot (rubber plastic as it is) is not that bad - really. My friend the su24 expert has built metal replacements for his but honestly the included one is mostly fine and the idea that it isn't is a talking point tossed around the forums that's taken a life of its own mostly by people who havent acutally seen the real thing.

AFter being cool on it initially, I've become interested in their upcoming F-16. I like detailed models and it certainly qualifies. I just wish they chose more interesting liveries.

Calibre is essentially now the quality leader in the market. You might argue about Air Commander too, but they seem disconnected from the people.

When they release a dirty Soviet camo scheme, Ill get excited. Untill then,...the SU24, other than the first Russian release, will pass me by. I agree, my SU24 model is not too bad. Either I got a good one, or the issue were overstated a touch.

Hobbymaster Sabre

Hobbymaster badly needs to create 'F' wings for their sabre so that they can release JASDF Blue Impulse and many many other liveries.

Agree.

Air Commander

Their Vietnam camo releases aren't cutting it. Time to take their excellent moulds and house styles and find liveries that work with both.

Its better than HM's,...buy a country mile. We have discussed this before. But the latest D seemingly has some issues, so I will wait and see what the lads think.

Corgi

I don't really follow corgi any more, but I see that they have a new Halifax out. If you collect 1/72 bombers, corgi's halifaxes are just wonderful.

Its a shame you don't. The all black ME110 with antlers is a cracker of a model. The F4 is annoying some lads with the lack of detail and lack of extended nose gear. But it does look magnificent.

The think is,...HM no longer are into WW2. I believe the 88 SQN A20 is finally coming,.....but other than that HM seemingly have all but given up on WW2.

So Corgi is it,....and in the main they are still doing a pretty good job.

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HA7740 P-51D Mustang "Jumpin Jacques"
This appears to be another stunning HM P-51 release.
Kinda not getting into HM's P51s these days. There is a couple that I have my eye on,...for possible dumping. The wing gun insert issue still rankles with many collectors,...as its still a bit of a rough compromise.
But yes, the Jacques release is as 'Flash as a Rat with a Gold Tooth'.
so, i have an increasingly massive collection of 1/48 built models. in fact, most of my collecting energies in the last 3 years or so have gone towards this and away from diecast, at least for single-engine WW2 subjects. this has allowed me to get more interesting subjects at a higher quality than diecast typically offers. this includes a number of models of stuff that is availble in diecast. But when it comes to a few NMF birds - especially P51s - i really see little benefit to plastic. While an expertly built plastic kit does have some advantages, they are offset by the fact that no matter how well painted (and several dozen of my 1/48 collection were originally built for magazines), real metal still has that certain sheen. and yes, while the HM p51 isnt perfect, i happily place it in with my expert-built kits in a way that i'd never, say, put an HM p-40.


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I personally think the latest AVG release is a debacle. The colours are just wrong,...by a fair margin in my view. However some lads do disagree with me. No one thinks they nailed it though.
debacle is too harsh. i stand by my assessment that it's exactly as we expected a HM model in 2019: competent mould with absolutely no frills or love, colors slightly off, but overall basically ok. folks, this IS the reality of hobbymaster 2019.

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Purchased my first HM F4F, the USS Cole release. Looks good in the pictures.
i have a magazine-cover pro-built atlantic scheme one so am not touching the cole release. but, i did get the 2nd hm F4F release. it's fine. have covered its deficiencies elsewhere. maybe im just getting soft, but i look at the F4Fs that I have: HM, Corgi, and Carousel1 and they're all fine. C1 probably takes the slight nod overall, though. I do have some interesting releases like the one of a kind german hobbyshow Franklin Mint FM-2 somewhere


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The only Mirages that will get me excited is the Mirage III and Mirage IV.
Falcon Models made a mirage 3. for all its many faults, i'd still be happier with it than anything by premium x.

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Hurricane
i got the SEAC airshow hurricane in tokyo and now have it on a shefl. it looks ok. I like the HM hurri mould and it should have a lot of legs for a long, long time regardless of any short term releases of airshow birds rankling some feathers. As the hurri changed very little between versions, there's just dozens and dozens of liveries out there to be done.


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Been some discussion on playboy symbol and its possible trademark. No idea if it has legs though??
doub it, but HM has been scared by non-issues before. they tend to play it too cautious for such things.

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Kinda moved on from them to be frank. They desperately need a new tooling,...in my view of course.
that was my point. CW is essentially dead. I had code3s made of the two crusaders I really wanted (VF-111 sundowner and VF-84 'the one with the yellow flames'). There's a generation of collectors with no crusaders, no corsair 2s, and only the quite crappy recent release intruders.


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Its a shame you don't. The all black ME110 with antlers is a cracker of a model. The F4 is annoying some lads with the lack of detail and lack of extended nose gear. But it does look magnificent.
Corgi Me110 - i have i think 3 or 4 great ones from corgi. THey are indeed wonderful models and much more satisfying in hand than HM's, which never really had "it."

F4 - do you mean the phantom? i have not followed the 1/48 phantom talk. if a lack of detail is a thing with the corgi phantom, i can't imagine i'll bother.

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The think is,...HM no longer are into WW2.
in 1/72 i guess you mean. and a wise choice indeed given the number of 17.99 1/72 p40Ns around.

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So Corgi is it,....and in the main they are still doing a pretty good job.
I guess what i mean is that already have a decent example of every corgi ww2 mould and several in duplicates. I don't see any point personally in getting more. the last corgi aircraft i got was little miss mischief, which was fine.

what i'd really really like (and pay up to gbp 50 for) is for corgi to release the figure sets from its (9-0-9) b-17 and pbj (b-25) as separately purchaseable items. and, for that matter, its 1/48-1/50 figures as well.
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As the hurri changed very little between versions, there's just dozens and dozens of liveries out there to be done.
Yes, still waiting on Desert versions, with or without the anti tank cannons although my preference is for with them.

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There's a generation of collectors with no crusaders, no corsair 2s, and only the quite crappy recent release intruders.
Very true, these have been near impossible to find for awhile now and agreed the recent copies have not been CW's best. But I would be surprised if HM did them now, one would think you'd release those first before EA-18, T-38 or Su-33. Or they could be just waiting for the time to be right to charge more for those releases like they did with Soviet models after years of BS about not being popular.
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Yes, still waiting on Desert versions, with or without the anti tank cannons although my preference is for with them.



Very true, these have been near impossible to find for awhile now and agreed the recent copies have not been CW's best. But I would be surprised if HM did them now, one would think you'd release those first before EA-18, T-38 or Su-33. Or they could be just waiting for the time to be right to charge more for those releases like they did with Soviet models after years of BS about not being popular.
The Hurricane IVD, Corgi has one in 1:72 I have my eye on. There is also the RAF 274 SQD scheme which is nice although they flew IIB Trop and not the IVD (no 40mm anti-tank guns).
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The Hurricane IVD, Corgi has one in 1:72 I have my eye on. There is also the RAF 274 SQD scheme which is nice although they flew IIB Trop and not the IVD (no 40mm anti-tank guns).
That IVD from Corgi was one of my first models, still a lovely model to this day. Either version in desert camo would be welcome. Big fan of the Cane and I have nearly one of each scheme Corgi did. Just the one HM so far though, it's a mould just begging for more schemes.
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That IVD from Corgi was one of my first models, still a lovely model to this day. Either version in desert camo would be welcome. Big fan of the Cane and I have nearly one of each scheme Corgi did. Just the one HM so far though, it's a mould just begging for more schemes.
Yeah well,......its a singular tooling that is actually a MKII tooling. So all the BoB releases are wrong. BoB Hurri's are in fact MKIs,...with a shorter snout.

Desert and night fighter Hurris all require mods. The MK IIb/c (the c has the 4 x 20mm Hispano Cannons),...is sorted,.....Blighty based only.

The Desert MKIIb TROP, MKIIc TROP and MKIId,....is a different proposition altogether. They all need filter and the d requires the 2 x 40mm Cannon.

The MKIId was only utilised by one RAF SQN in the Desert,...6 SQN and 5 SQN in the Far East (there maybe one more Far East SQN, from memory).

HM have not released a filtered Hurri.

Can you see the problem??

HM have released MTO Spits,...with both types filters. But the Hurricane has been nudged along by the UK importer/distributer, Gary from Tiger Hobbies. And at this stage,....he has shown no interest, publicly in TROP Hurris.

I suspect everyone is watching the two Desert TROP Spits (neither of schemes I would have chosen, I might add) to see how they sell before investing in the TROP and MKIId Hurricanes.
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Old 05-30-2019, 08:51 PM   #23
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the Russian Naval ensign isn't black should this be corrected?

Ladia I note HMs weapons moulding seems to be getting worse or no attempt to hide it.

Otherwise I like it.


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in 1/72 i guess you mean. and a wise choice indeed given the number of 17.99 1/72 p40Ns around.
In many ways,...HM are the architects of their own failures with some of their 1:72 WW2 toolings. The P40 and A20 are two toolings so far wasted in the search for efficiencies and split runs.

So yes,....some releases are dumped,...but there are reasons for it and in my view its all about scheme selection.

HM have made a mess of it.
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I'm not an expert by any means, but I compared the Growler photos to actual Growler photos online, and there seems to be some issues. The rearmost antenna is angled incorrectly and the satcom antenna bulge (behind the 2nd antenna) is too prominent. I'm looking forward to one of our notable members to review the Growler once it comes out.
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In many ways,...HM are the architects of their own failures with some of their 1:72 WW2 toolings. The P40 and A20 are two toolings so far wasted in the search for efficiencies and split runs.

Sorry - i've been thrilled with the A20 plus or minus a few things like lack of P70. Can you elaborate on what you had in mind there?

The P40 likewise i think the livery choices have been fine. It's just that release in 1/48 would have been much better and we'd finally have a 'sing pao' to replace franklin mint's poor effort (fm's 'n' model p-40 was particularly weak).
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Sorry - i've been thrilled with the A20 plus or minus a few things like lack of P70. Can you elaborate on what you had in mind there?

The P40 likewise i think the livery choices have been fine. It's just that release in 1/48 would have been much better and we'd finally have a 'sing pao' to replace franklin mint's poor effort (fm's 'n' model p-40 was particularly weak).

So am I, but I am not the market.

Both the P40N and A20 were chosen, in part in the same scheme colours. A base OD scheme. Collectors, both insane and casual want more than that.

I don't think people fully understand that the A20 is the G model (or if you prefer MKIV/V). The earlier MK's with the stinger in the back (as opposed to the turret) had an incredible array of schemes,...such as the P70 (although some P70s were modified from the A20G,.....pictures are not easy though). The turreted model,...OD green,...every release bar two (all black). And one of those (RAF scheme) is actually a post war scheme.

However, regardless of what you think of HM's A20 (and lets be clear, I have 6 of them because I love the type), the fact that the most obvious Blighty scheme, 88 SQN with invasion stripes still has not been done.

That's silly. So when trade bitches about how the A20 has sold poorly,...and overall it has, that's number one example on why it has done not as well as hoped.

A second ETO USAAF day A20 with a bit of nose art and mission markings is a no brainer as well. Only one of them has been released as well.

P40N,....the first 6 releases and all the same OD green. There are plenty of schemes for the P40N. HM chose the first 6 in OD green because it would be cheap to manufacturer.

That's not how you sell models, not in my view. WW2 is not jets, a plethora split runs for WW2 does not work like it does for Jets. There is a decline in WW2 stuff. But in HM case,...in not just about the number of collectors buying less. Its about the schemes.

I am only banging on about this because HM is drifting away from WW2. It may disappear altogether. But if its going to go,....Id like it to go for the right reasons and not the wrong ones.
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Helicopters

Helicopters continue to get nearly no discussion here or in other similar fora. Let's face it - as great as the releases are, they just don't generate the excitement that fixed wing aircraft do.
Depends on the forum.

At anyrate,..the box art on the latest SH-3A SeaKing,...looks a peach. There have been plenty of changes and suggestions from the lads have been implemented, since the initial pictures of the model from Corgi. For a start,...they got the colour right. But also many of the unique markings for the Gemini X recovery have been added.

Its box art (of the model I might add),..so nothing is set in stone just yet.

But this one looking to be a cracker of a model,...associated with John Young (and Michael Collins) and the amazing mission that was Gemini X.

This is going to be the best SeaKing since Apollo II recovery Seaking.

Damn shame its not another diorama,...but hopefully this will be a great, release.
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