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Old 04-20-2019, 01:54 PM   #1
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Nothing 4 me but the Mig 23 is very tempting



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Mig-23 over afghanistan... i dive !
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for something to excite me.....

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J-15 and the F-117 the Serbs shot down for now.

As for the MiG-23, I'll wait for pre pros before getting excited. Although a scheme without the shark face would have been more desirable.
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I lobbied HM since many months in order to have ML version and especially this version with sharkmouth...


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I lobbied HM since many months in order to have ML version and especially this version with sharkmouth... too bad for you
Nothing against the shark mouth, I have roughly 12 models with them, none are Soviet so maybe there is a place for this, of course once I see the colours

Did you suggest it using the Kovozavody Prostejov kit?
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I suggested any kit... HM is gonna modify actual mould MF into ML.
MF version will be stopped.
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That's abit disappointing, there was still Romanian, Hungarian, Indian and a few more Polish MFs to do.

So that leaves, Syrian, North Korean, Cuban, Soviet and Czech.

Seems like this mould never reached its full potential.
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Nothing on there that I would possibly want. Maybe one of the new Hawks (they're the Squadron Wings ones, btw- HM made them for SW & has taken over the mould) at a later date, if they do an armed RAF weapons trainer in grey or camo.
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That's abit disappointing, there was still Romanian, Hungarian, Indian and a few more Polish MFs to do.

So that leaves, Syrian, North Korean, Cuban, Soviet and Czech.

Seems like this mould never reached its full potential.
True. Maybe William can do a big run of blanks for future use before machining the mould to the new one. A Romanian would have been nice. In machining we say 'You can take off material, but you can't put it back on!'
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J-15 and the F-117 the Serbs shot down for now.

As for the MiG-23, I'll wait for pre pros before getting excited. Although a scheme without the shark face would have been more desirable.
Hoping the J-15 will be more of the light grey 'ala JCW's' instead of the blueish light grey their J-11 had. Then it's a must have for my PLAAF collection.
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j15 and mig only things even vaguely interesting here on one of the weakest hm release posters in memory.. after the total failure of squadron wings 1/48 hawks, I have to ask is the hm announcement some sort of unfunny late April fools joke?
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j15 and mig only things even vaguely interesting here on one of the weakest hm release posters in memory.. after the total failure of squadron wings 1/48 hawks, I have to ask is the hm announcement some sort of unfunny late April fools joke?
Nope. Gary at Tiger Hobbies has confirmed that HM (who made them for SW) has taken over the mould under its own name. The reason why SW failed was because they were poorly represented, promoted & distributed.
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That's abit disappointing, there was still Romanian, Hungarian, Indian and a few more Polish MFs to do.

So that leaves, Syrian, North Korean, Cuban, Soviet and Czech.

Seems like this mould never reached its full potential.

Maybe sales of Mig-23 sales are too weak... But, that's true, romanian and hungarian would have be cool. My warsaw pact in diecast won't exist !


But, now, i hope to see an Ukrainian too...
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j15 and mig only things even vaguely interesting here on one of the weakest hm release posters in memory.. after the total failure of squadron wings 1/48 hawks, I have to ask is the hm announcement some sort of unfunny late April fools joke?
Nope. Gary at Tiger Hobbies has confirmed that HM (who made them for SW) has taken over the mould under its own name. The reason why SW failed was because they were poorly represented, promoted & distributed.
There’s prob some sense in this I guess. Still I’m not sure poor distribution was the problem. The primary market for these was is the uk and they were highly visible at events, usually on deep discount

Anyway since the mould is there they might as well use it I guess
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True. Maybe William can do a big run of blanks for future use before machining the mould to the new one. A Romanian would have been nice. In machining we say 'You can take off material, but you can't put it back on!'
I hope that's what they will do. They did make one more A-26 in between the two B-26K they modified the mould to.

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Hoping the J-15 will be more of the light grey 'ala JCW's' instead of the blueish light grey their J-11 had. Then it's a must have for my PLAAF collection.
Yep, JCW colour was unusually spot on that time.

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Maybe sales of Mig-23 sales are too weak... But, that's true, romanian and hungarian would have be cool. My warsaw pact in diecast won't exist !
The really bad colours probably contributed to that, I would have bought 4-5 of them if they were right, instead just the first release and now it's going for +$200 on eBay.

Same here, it all fell apart with the Polish and Czech camo releases.

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But, now, i hope to see an Ukrainian too...
TBH even I am less interested in these, they were just rebadged once the Soviet Union collapsed, I'd still probably take one but a modern Ukrainian airforce with Fulcrums, Fencers and Flankers is much more interesting.
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soviet mig 21 for me, and maybe the mig 23, maybe.
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Maybe sales of Mig-23 sales are too weak... But, that's true, romanian and hungarian would have be cool. My warsaw pact in diecast won't exist !

But, now, i hope to see an Ukrainian too...
That maybe true mate. Perhaps they chose the wrong MK of MIG23 initially. Add to the poor colours and some more obvious schemes, like more Soviet and DDR schemes then perhaps you are onto something.

The whole MIG23 thing has been a tad disappointing. There have been 8 releases thus far (plus this one). I still have only the one. Although I am considering the Iraqi release. But the colours and scheme selections really put me off.

Quite enthused with this current release,...somewhat thanks to you cheesecake,....its a cracker of a release. Pretty cool history for this airframe and a cracking scheme.

If they tone down the colours though. If its a bright spark like some of the ARAB releases,...then forget it.
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j15 and mig only things even vaguely interesting here on one of the weakest hm release posters in memory.. after the total failure of squadron wings 1/48 hawks, I have to ask is the hm announcement some sort of unfunny late April fools joke?
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There’s prob some sense in this I guess. Still I’m not sure poor distribution was the problem. The primary market for these was is the uk and they were highly visible at events, usually on deep discount

Anyway since the mould is there they might as well use it I guess
Gary had been talking about distribution for the models soon after release. For whatever reason, the owner of the original tool did not go through distribution chain. So some context is appropriate to add to the conversation.

However, regardless of the context, Gary probably is onto something,...to some degree anyway.

When it was first announced, I always thought (and posted) that he chose the wrong tooling and a 1:48 Lightning would be a heap better choice (more expensive to develop, no doubt).

These days there is a bunch of RAF 1:48 jet models, with more coming, so perhaps it will be sold in a better environment.

I personally am not interested in these two releases. In fact, Red Arrows and some camo schemes would be the only one's to leverage my credit card (I already have the 208 SQN Hawk from SW,...which I think is a beaut).

I feel sorry for SW,...and its owner (which was a retailer in Blighty). It was a brave effort,...perhaps too brave. He had plans for more toolings. Alas,...for whatever reason, his three releases did not do well.
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The Spark Vark EF-111 would be tempting to get if it were the same tail code as the example in the USAF Museum. I try to collect models representing what's in their collection. Also, the Spark Vark is really not an attractive aircraft even at full scale.
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j15 and mig only things even vaguely interesting here on one of the weakest hm release posters in memory.. after the total failure of squadron wings 1/48 hawks, I have to ask is the hm announcement some sort of unfunny late April fools joke?
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There’s prob some sense in this I guess. Still I’m not sure poor distribution was the problem. The primary market for these was is the uk and they were highly visible at events, usually on deep discount

Anyway since the mould is there they might as well use it I guess
Gary had been talking about distribution for the models soon after release. For whatever reason, the owner of the original tool did not go through distribution chain. So some context is appropriate to add to the conversation.

However, regardless of the context, Gary probably is onto something,...to some degree anyway.

When it was first announced, I always thought (and posted) that he chose the wrong tooling and a 1:48 Lightning would be a heap better choice (more expensive to develop, no doubt).

These days there is a bunch of RAF 1:48 jet models, with more coming, so perhaps it will be sold in a better environment.

I personally am not interested in these two releases. In fact, Red Arrows and some camo schemes would be the only one's to leverage my credit card (I already have the 208 SQN Hawk from SW,...which I think is a beaut).

I feel sorry for SW,...and its owner (which was a retailer in Blighty). It was a brave effort,...perhaps too brave. He had plans for more toolings. Alas,...for whatever reason, his three releases did not do well.
I agree. I gave sympathy too but it was an increasingly odd choice probably made as a “safe first attempt” that died a death due to distribution issues, subject issues, and behing ahead of the game a few years on scale. Plus, that big canopy exposes the weaknesses of a hm cockpit on full display
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I believe that is the same f-117 squadron where one got shot down by the Yugoslavia army.
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True. Maybe William can do a big run of blanks for future use before machining the mould to the new one. A Romanian would have been nice. In machining we say 'You can take off material, but you can't put it back on!'
Its possible they can still use the modified mould for the MF etc, if you check out the latest batch of MiG-21Bis, they just plugged up the hole where the PFM centre nose antenna was and use it again for the later variants.

That said, the nose section on the Fishbeds are really rough now, adding that plug just makes it worse so it may as well be the last time they use those moulds.
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Its possible they can still use the modified mould for the MF etc, if you check out the latest batch of MiG-21Bis, they just plugged up the hole where the PFM centre nose antenna was and use it again for the later variants.

That said, the nose section on the Fishbeds are really rough now, adding that plug just makes it worse so it may as well be the last time they use those moulds.
Yes, I guess you could do that and just go back and forth with both versions. I have yet to purchase a MiG-23 for my collection. I have been trying to talk myself into buying the Polish bird from a year and a half ago. I may still hold off for an example I am 100% happy with.
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Yes, I guess you could do that and just go back and forth with both versions. I have yet to purchase a MiG-23 for my collection. I have been trying to talk myself into buying the Polish bird from a year and a half ago. I may still hold off for an example I am 100% happy with.
If you find a reasonable price for the grey Russian Flogger, I suggest you get it.

The problem with the Polish Flogger is not just the SEA colours but the brown parts used for the intakes and Wings do not match the colour used for the body, plus the small antenna (?) located near the cockpit is an unfinished silver piece, I've noticed they did not paint that part correctly on a lot of the floggers. I know it's a small thing but it all adds up.

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I agree. I gave sympathy too but it was an increasingly odd choice probably made as a “safe first attempt” that died a death due to distribution issues, subject issues, and behing ahead of the game a few years on scale. Plus, that big canopy exposes the weaknesses of a hm cockpit on full display
Its an interesting one. HM hold the tooling,...and are able to release Hawks off their own bat. These two releases are all Gary (Tiger Hobbies).

Gary bought all the old SW stock, some he managed to code 3 into other schemes.

If these two schemes don't do well,....then its going to be hard to produce more.

Gary is organising the licencing with the Red Arrows, which will be exclusive to him,......so the Red Arrows stuff will be all him.

I am not sure what HM are planning? Its probably unlikely we will see a Finn, Indonesian or Rhodesian Hawk. Although I did manage to match up a Finland hawk with similar colour to a RAF Hawk (for a possible split run),...all over Grey. But slightly different tone. Unfortunately, the SW hawk that fared the worst was the Grey one.

However, there is the USN Goshawk. But that would require some changes,.....or you can give one a punt and watch the lads squeal as the differences are noticeable.

But,...to complicate matters further,......SW still own the tooling, so HM and presumably Gary is paying them a tithe (or whatever,...I just like the word). Because SW still own it,...then mods and plastic additions are problematic. Obviously lads want to see RAF Hawks armed with 30mm Aden Cannon, Sidewinders and SNEBs.

It has to be one of the most complicated toolings/situations in our Hobby in a month of Mondays.
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I lobbied HM since many months in order to have ML version and especially this version with sharkmouth...
too bad for you

And look how it turned out!!

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HM have really improved the colours on this one. Be joining my Hanger for sure!!
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Colors are a success... the best since the beginning.

UF has noticed an error on the mould...







A notch (translated from google) missing on HM models.

But after some checks, it seems it's a particular model, MLD flogger K which present this particularity.

So, i guess HM can't modify ML mould for just this MLD...
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Colors are a success... the best since the beginning.

UF has noticed an error on the mould...



A notch (translated from google) missing on HM models.

But after some checks, it seems it's a particular model, MLD flogger K which present this particularity.

So, i guess HM can't modify ML mould for just this MLD...
Not sure?? The picture of the similar aircraft (over at that other place),..does show a small notch. Nothing like the model above. But its there. Mind you,...there are also plenty of photos (again over at that other place) of MLDs with no notch at all.
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Out of curiosity, has anyone received HA5309 and modified the dog tooth part successfully to their model ?
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i had the model, but without dog tooth... i'm gonna try to ask to HM some pieces.
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So the dog tooth pieces were not supplied with the model ? Seems like HM didn't come good with their promise to include the pieces with the model.
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So the dog tooth pieces were not supplied with the model ? Seems like HM didn't come good with their promise to include the pieces with the model.
The replacement parts didn't come with the model. HM had sent them separately to my distributor and my distributor sent it to me upon my request.
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The replacement parts didn't come with the model. HM had sent them separately to my distributor and my distributor sent it to me upon my request.
That issue is a deal killer for me, sorry but I pass on this model
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The replacement parts didn't come with the model. HM had sent them separately to my distributor and my distributor sent it to me upon my request.
Ok so basically if you were unaware of the issue, you'd never know any better. Do you have any photos you could share with us of what it looks like after the modification ?

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As was it for me, which was a shame coz the colours looked plausible compared to most camo schemes HM do.
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Ok so basically if you were unaware of the issue, you'd never know any better. Do you have any photos you could share with us of what it looks like after the modification ?



As was it for me, which was a shame coz the colours looked plausible compared to most camo schemes HM do.
Sorry,but I haven't tried fixing it yet. I saw photos of the parts and modifications made to the model in another forum. Seems that its was an easy process. I dare not try for fear of damaging the model.
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Yeah that's what I thought, looks easy enough but probably damages the model in the process as the current incorrect part is glued to the model and the dog tooth is a smaller part exposing the area once hidden. In any case it looks like most people are unaware or didn't get the model.
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The replacement parts were sent to all the distributers, so some of the onus to distribute the spare parts is on the distributer and retailers.

Tiger Hobbies has ensured all official retailers have the parts. So that's the UK all sorted.

The Flying Mule has not been a bit tardy,...to give an example on the other side of the spectrum.

Your best bet is to specifically ask for them from your retailer.

I have not done it with mine,....mainly because the Mule did not send a set along with the model.

I have seen the end result of the change,....its looks pretty good and its a relatively simple affair. Although the bits taken out can be damaged.
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