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Old 01-02-2019, 01:25 PM   #1
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WOW!! Canards! Ladia will think he's died and gone to heaven

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I'm telling Ladia and people on here, HM have gone canard crazy lately with this and the upcoming SU-33 already in advanced prototype stage. We will get our SU-30SM soon. I just have that feeling.
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don't think monsieur ladia would appreciate the laurentian abyss on this... and that gun panel!
but what the hey... we'll wait for the actual model to see how jcw does, eh?
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Ladia, what's your opinion on this mould compared to HM's ?

Impressive array of weapons of offer from JCW, I wonder if that will come with the model or as a seperate pack.

And magnets for gears AND weapons !!

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Wow, what a great looking model! What a news!

Many thanks, Tim, for posting these photos to this forum!

To BB:
Pleased about your concerns about my life , but sorry, not this time - this JCW SU-34 is already known project and I will be in real heaven only when we will see pre-pros of decently done Syrian SU-30SM without any substantial mistakes.

However I´m actually very pleased by the look of JCW SU-34 pre-pro so far.

Btw, JC Wings have made good timing with these shots - if HM will paint their first release any less than absolutely perfect, or if the mold will look somehow strange, we have very good option with this. However concerning painting it will be similarly difficult task for JCW - correct paint. And looking on their recent releases I´m afraid that JCW still have quite a way to go. But lets wait and see. I think they know very well that here is no place for mistakes.

Anyway this JCW SU-34 pre pro looks maybe even better than HM to me. What a level of detail on the landing gears! What an ordnance offered! Weapons on magnets!
Also canopy shape looks better than HM´s, and whole model looks sleekier from profile, just as the original Fullback.

There´s no APU in the stinger but this is probably ok as this JCW 34 looks to be an earlier variant than HM´s effort.

Tim, do you know please if these photos are of clay model or already photos of zinc? In other words - is it still time to point out some mistakes to JCW?

I hope tomorrow I´ll have bit more time to check details better, anyway at a first glance:
- pitot tube needs to be corrected - its too short, it looks somehow strange (maybe this is not final spec?) but mainly - it shouldn´t be horizontal when the Fullback is at static, but forward slanted - see drawing below.
- tips of the vertical stabs look like being rather incorrect on the tops (too sloped down?)
- would be nice to confirm if the wingtips rails are correctly slanted down a bit - see SU-34 drawing below.


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Regardless of which tooling or painting turns out to be better, it looks like I'll be getting one of these - if only for the weapons.
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Will definitely buy if they add this.



I meant the Kh-35U missile.
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It's better.
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The hunchback of Sukhoi has finally arrived i see!!

I was eyeing the HM version but now this JC Wings version comes along, i don't know which one to get now. the JC version seems more correct to me especially the weapons loads is so much more attractive...
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Wow, what a great looking model! What a news!

Tim, do you know please if these photos are of clay model or already photos of zinc? In other words - is it still time to point out some mistakes to JCW?
I think that's pretty much it Ladia. It's probably zinc mostly. No way to tell. Also I just took the pics from the other forum and shared it here. I've no way of contacting JCW as well. You guys might have a better shot than me
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Hi Max, welcome back after a long time! Nice to hear from you again, I´ve missed your avatar photo

Good comparison from you and I must agree with you: the more I look on this JCW effort, the more I like it - it looks more correct to me.


So here are some of my thoughts:
To start with - most probably both models will look good in the display cabinets (if colors are ok ). There´s no clear loser in shape and tooling area. Few details are better on HM model, some details are way better on JCW´s. Anyway judging from the prototype photos I would also prefer JCW as their SU-34 seems to have more accurate outline and better depicts the real beast. But again, I think that crucial will be final coloring and attractive scheme choice selection. Even when JCW tooling probably looks better, it won´t guarantee success if JCW spoils the paintjob or choose less attractive scheme.

JCW tooling pros:
- Maybe the best landing gears and wheel wells in diecast ever. Imho even much better detailed than premium Calibre Wings F-14s. Awesome details.
- Magnetic gears and weaponry
- Absolutely impressive array of ordnance
- Correct canopy windscreen (with flat outline). Gives JCW SU-34 better shape and sleeker look. HM SU-34 looks a bit fatty with its bulging windscreen.
- Better detailed tires including treads. Small detail for someone, but somehow it makes me feel that someone really cared about this model and wanted to deliver really detailed piece. Not like "pay and shut up".
- One piece design of the rear stinger. Edited: On their finished product, HM finally also opted for one-piece design.
- Clean, one piece construction of the front / nose area resulting in smooth front end with nicely hidden or completely avoided gaps. There´s absolutely no gap between fuselage and radome on JCW SU-34.
- Correct angle of the rear stinger. HM stinger aims slightly downwards, rather looking as if tired.
- Detailed canon gun. HM apparently preferred cheap production over accuracy, and yes, they succeeded - HM canon really looks cheap.
- Detailed refuelling probe. HM probe is only outlined and painted.

Items equally wrong on both toolings:
- Wing tip rails should be slanted down in the front. Maybe minor detail for someone but this "tiny detail", together with slanted underwing hardpoints / weapons, gives the SU-34 its typical angry look.
- Difficult to judge from photos provided, but the nose/radome panel line (joint line) seem to have wrong angle compared to real Fullback. On HM model it looks worse, on JCW effort this is not such an awfully wrong angle as on their SU-30 mold, where it is often a reason and deal breaker for many collectors.
- Pitot tube is horizontally on both models, but should be slanted down when SU-34 stands on the wheels. Moreover, JCW pitot tube is much too short, almost as it would be 1/144 scale. JCW pitot tube also looks differently from the original.

JCW "To Do´s":
- Please JCW, can you slant down the pitot tube and fix the lenght and shape of pitot tube?
- Please JCW, can you change wingtip rails angles to make them more canted down? (JCW / Witty SU-30 has the wing tip rails correctly canted down, including hardpoints and weapons).
- Please JCW, is it still possible to tweak the gun panel to make it more flush with the fuselage?
- Height of the rear upper edge of the vertical stabilizers is little bit lower than scaled.

So, which one to pick? JCWings really stepped the game up, but zinc prototype is just the first step. So maybe its just too soon to decide and let´s wait for colors. In the end, most of the collectors will probably decide upon scheme / attractivity and paintjob accuracy. Good news for HM: SU-34 isn´t about stenciling, not at all, there are practically zero stencils on the real jet.

Sidenote to JCW paintjob:
As well known among the collectors, several recent JCWings / Herpa Flankers suffered from somehow much too vivid colors, which also influenced the sales a little bit. But let´s not forget JCW F-14s, where JCW made excellent paintjob including good looking panel wash. So lets wait and see.

Either way, I´m really looking forward to many new SU-34s coming!


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I would add that the glass to the rear of the canopy is almost a 90 degrees on the actual and not angled as shown on both prototypes....




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The area you mentioned is designed to be painted over on the final products, BB.

Check the Final Product Photos (released just yesterday):




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Final Product Photos are up on Hobbymastercollector site:

Hobby Master 1/72 Air Power Series HA6301 Su-34 Fullback Fighter Bomber Red 03, Russian Air Force, Syria, January 2015

See also the two images I´ve posted just above.

Good news - HM has improved some details from pre-pro stage, the best news is that the rear stinger is now one-piece construction, they also added canon.

But the second most annoying mistake they didn´t improve:

Bort numbers are hopelessly WRONG:
- too thin, almost anorectic
- wrongly placed - should be horizontally


I´m sure this release will sell quickly as colors are really fine, but personally I´m not sure whether I´ll have enough powers to bring myself to buy it . OMG. In my eyes these bort numbers take too much from the attractivity of this otherwise nice model.

- If I buy, I´m afraid I´ll end up staring only on those two absurdly skinny numbers all the time.
- Waiting if JCW will release similar colors includes risking that this HM release will be sold out with no similar colors from JCW.
- Ask somewhere if JCW will release similar colors in the future? - But are there any contacts to ask JCW?
- Buy aftermarket decals and try to hide those ugly bort numbers under the decals? But are there any RuAF "03" decals on the market that are so thick to cover original bort numbers without being transparent?

OMG.

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- Ask somewhere if JCW will release similar colors in the future? - But are there any contacts to ask JCW?
Try contacting them through their Facebook page, that is where the original pics came from
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Try contacting them through their Facebook page, that is where the original pics came from
Johan has answered pm's by me on here before. One more way to get in touch with them.
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Johan has answered pm's by me on here before. One more way to get in touch with them.
Yep there's that option as well.

Although I'm pretty sure JCW just make the model the way they see fit, They don't make last minute corrections. That is why they announce a new wave only a month before they hit shelves.
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It's better.
Excellent picture Max.

Different period represented by the two manufacturers,....although I suspect both of them will have releases representing a time period that does not quite match the tooling,....but hey ho.

Both of them seem to like over large canopys.

At the end of the day, I have two Gaincorp releases, so just the one for me,...a Syrian conflict dark grey scheme (eggplant??).

Who ever nails the colours best will get my moolah.

Expensive tooling to produce I would imagine,.....two manufacturers giving it a go. A type already done in Diecast,...with only a very small number in service.

Still,...its a type that looks very pleasing to the eye,....but I suspect it will end up in tears for one of the manufacturers.

Mind you,...JC Wings is no start up company.
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It's better.
Just out of curiosity,...how does Gaincorp's SU34 fare against the above??
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Does the canopy open?
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No, cannot be. Crew enters from below on SU-34, note ladder on the front landing gear.

Maybe whole canopy piece will be detechable to allow you to put pilots in, but I don´t see pilots in JCW prototype photos. We´ll see. You can ask Esvees how is it with HM SU-34 detechable canopy.

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if the canopy is fixed and the pilots entered from below, then how does the ejection seat work? Do the whole pilot compartment eject?
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Do the whole pilot compartment eject?
No, individual Zvezda ejection seats. The "onside" canopy panel containing the side/ overhead window is jettisoned.
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the jettisoned canopy is not in view, but this provides an idea of how the ejection seats work: Trials of Russian Su-34 Fullback's NPP Zvezda K-36dm Ejection Seat | Global Military Review
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Max, what´s your opinion on Gaincorp´s SU-34 mold?
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I think it's full of mistakes.


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Yeah,..the Gaincorp effort really has nothing on the upcoming toolings. I am going to have to rethink what I am going to do now,...as I am seriously thinking of ditching the two Gaincorp SU34s. They are that bad compared to HM's and JC's effort.

Brilliant picture Max.
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If the canopy can be removed like HM's, then this could give Hm's version a run for its money- depending of course on the paint finish & cost.
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If the canopy can be removed like HM's, then this could give Hm's version a run for its money- depending of course on the paint finish & cost.
i guess it would be reasonable to expect removable canopies not only for the placement of the pilots/navigator, but also because of the apparent tabs at the back of the canopy.
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If the canopy can be removed like HM's, then this could give Hm's version a run for its money- depending of course on the paint finish & cost.

I have several Gaincorps and since the SU-34 side-by-side canopy is quite wide, the whole cockpit inside is nicely visible through the windows without need to detach canopy every time you want to admire canopy details. I suppose that also with HM/JCW efforts inside canopy details will be well visible trough the windows imho.
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From the JC WINGS Military facebook. Hoping they start the production soon.

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Pretty BIG picture Ladia.......(screenshot from Ipad)

It now makes all text at magnifier scale

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This is actually old news and there haven't been any updates since January.
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Pretty BIG picture Ladia.......(screenshot from Ipad)

It now makes all text at magnifier scale

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I feel so sorry, BB . But probably there must be something with your ipad when displaying large images.
Normally, DAC system automatically resizes all large pictures to 1024 × 576 (I guess). There should be yellowish bar above every large photo "Click this bar to view the full image / Click this bar to view the small image" .
But I don´t see this bar on printscreen you posted. Something with your ipod setting, or something to discuss with admins?
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I feel so sorry, BB . But probably there must be something with your ipad when displaying large images.
Normally, DAC system automatically resizes all large pictures to 1024 × 576 (I guess)...... Something with your ipod setting, or something to discuss with admins?
It may or may not be the Ipad and or settings as you elude to. I do see on my regular desktop PC display the Yellow bar to enlarge and then un-large back for normal viewing.

Well based on my PC (not Ipad) pixel stats here are some FYI figures.

The JCW picture...Your default PC viewing size is 1152x528 (12"x5.5")...the Yellow bar enlarged size is 3024x1386 (31.5"x14.43")

Further down the thread post #14 the Camo SU-34 your default PC viewing size is 1152x757 (12"x7.88")...the Yellow bar enlarged size is 4134x2717 (43"x28.3")

It seems to me that at least for standard PC display viewing a 12" width is maximum...I believe that's whats killing the display of the picture view on an Ipad.

Because of max width which appears to be 12" for standard PC's, it has viewing priority over the text on the entire webpage and posts for that thread, on smaller devices like Ipads and phones...I suspect causing all text to shrink.

It could be the DAC re-sizer is not functioning to compensate for use with smaller devices. Perhaps even Laptops.

I tried to contact admin more than once...all I got was Crickets....


It appears to me that the max width on an Ipad that a DAC posted picture can be displayed normally and the text readable normally is pixels width 1024 (10.6"). At least that's how I see it on my Ipad.


I suppose if I was to do ask a general plea for all forum members (that is to say this forum,) that when posting pictures perhaps re-size large pictures to a 1024 (10.6") pixel width or less and constrained of course for proper measurements before posting.... I will still get Crickets


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so this appears to be better than HM. how long should i wait? should i just forget buying the HM ver and just get a cheap $60 ver for now?

I mean they are really going to make this right?
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so this appears to be better than HM. how long should i wait? should i just forget buying the HM ver and just get a cheap $60 ver for now?

I mean they are really going to make this right?
I´m asking myself the same question.
I was able to resist the blue-green HA6301 because of those horribly anorectic bort numbers, but the dark grey HA6302 have them improved - unbeliavable difference btw.
So I´ll probably get the dark one - despite the bulged out windscreen which makes whole HM Fullback a bit fatty. Its really noticeable difference, you see it at first glance. Original SU-34 as well as JCW effort looks much sleeker.

Anyway since first photos no news from JCW. Only months of silence. I think JCW made tactical mistake here. If they really wanted to release their SU-34, they should have posted pictures of painted prototypes before ppl started buying HA6301 and 6302. If collectors would know what are they waiting for, they would happily wait several months ....
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I'm starting to wonder about that.
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Old 05-15-2019, 07:15 PM   #41
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Default Re: JC wings Su-34 Early photos

JCW don't issue pre pros and release quarterly so this is nothing unusual.

Of probably more concern is HMs Growler and Su-33. And their MiG-29 which was rumoured months ago and nothing has materialised.
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Default Re: JC wings Su-34 Early photos

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I'm starting to wonder about that.
Or i could just get the HM ver now and then sell it later....

This jc wings rel seem to include the most number of weapons and options. even more weapons than FOV F-15E or witty wings F-15E.

Anyone else seen another rel with even more number of weapons?
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