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Old 12-22-2018, 02:22 AM   #1
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Interesting articles...... Could be a future model for manu's to consider producing.....

Boeing Pitches 'F-15X' Fighter Concept to US Air Force: Report

https://www.military.com/dodbuzz/201...ce-report.html

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USAF's Next Budget Request Will Include New F-15X Advanced Eagle Fighter Jets: Report - The Drive

And I thought the F-35 was to be the last manned fighter ......

If approved, looks like the F-15X will be on steroids

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Old 12-22-2018, 03:21 AM   #2
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Damn...a plane like that could turn the tide of battle for sure. Could you imagine an entire squadron of those planes in action? We may just have a new fleet defender on our hands. I wonder what the avionics would have to look like if each airframe can carry up to two dozen missles at once
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Old 12-22-2018, 05:44 AM   #3
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Interesting and thanks for posting.

The Trump Administration has always been of the view the F35 just does not provide the Strategic oomph, that USAF brass thinks it does in the Air Dominance Space.

The F15X, does in fact replicate, in many ways the advanced Russian Sukhois doctrine. Long range, massively powerful radar and shed load of missiles.

I really cannot say on whether that approach can compete the current USAF doctrine (as well as Australia, Britain and Japan) approach with stealthy aircraft that are fundamentally fused with every other platform in the Battle Space.

But it makes sense to have two doctrinal approaches to the Air Dominance space giving a redundancy and shed load of flexibility for Air Combat Planners.

If you can afford it of course. Japan is doing a similar thing, trying to find a platform that augments the F35 and replace its F15s. In a way Britain already does it with the Tiffie.

Whilst the F15X is likely not to have the Stealth capability of the F35, it will be fused with it, in a information sharing perspective, giving the type many of the advantages of the F35.

The reason why the USAF brass don't like it is because it may take money away from the F35 both in a capital procurement and sustainment sense.

Really interesting development. No deal is done yet,....but it will be interesting to see if BOEING get a bit of a win.

And at the end of the day,...lets face it, the current F15C fleet is just about cactus and will need a shed load of cash to keep the type operating.
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Old 12-22-2018, 11:09 AM   #4
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a relatively dated article this: http://amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/the-...ear?source=dam but the super raptor would most definitely provide tactical advantage that the advance eagle cannot. and it's true, the eagle makes for a more compelling case simply because it's also one of the most exported airframes thus spreading out the development costs. if israel and japan are given access to the super raptor (or the raptor), then the raptor would definitely be able to hold its own against the eagle. ok ok... i'm biased. the raptor looks awesome
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a relatively dated article this: Here?s The F-22 Production Restart Study The USAF Has Kept Secret For Over A Year but the super raptor would most definitely provide tactical advantage that the advance eagle cannot. and it's true, the eagle makes for a more compelling case simply because it's also one of the most exported airframes thus spreading out the development costs. if israel and japan are given access to the super raptor (or the raptor), then the raptor would definitely be able to hold its own against the eagle. ok ok... i'm biased. the raptor looks awesome
Yeah, but once again, the biggest obstacle is slowing the momentum of the F35,....which is nigh impossible. Too much has been invested in the type to divert money away from it now,...particularly when the order book is going gangbusters and its getting close to being a real capability.

Both Japan and Israel have invested in the F35 and realistically,...if Israel invested in a F22 derivative,...its actually US taxpayers paying for it anyway.

The big blunder was closing down the F22 in the first place.

The F15X,...however, is a distinct possibility. But if Trump gets the arse next election, then all bets are off.
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Here's some updated F-15X info including load out capabilities....

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...cement-fighter

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The F15 (C,D and E versions) have been and always will be my favourite military jet of all time! So any upgrades or new versions of this type will have my wholehearted enthusiasm from the onset.
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And I thought the F-35 was to be the last manned fighter ......

If approved, looks like the F-15X will be on steroids

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If i had 1 euro for every time i heard something like that... i would buy a lot more models .

in the 60s the manned fighters had to be replaced with guided missiles, now the manned fighters "will to be replaced" with drones....... i wonder what will replace the fighters in 2050....

anyway the f15E is already one of the more advanced units of the usaf, a further development for air to air missions would be probably effective and cheaper then replacing the whole fleet with f35s or new f22s, the USAF officiers might not like it but the US politician will go for it also to keep the boeing in the military aircraft business in a stronger position then keeping operative the F18E/F for USN would allow.

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Just bring back the Grumman F-14 Tomcat, do some honey joo joo voodoo magic, call it the Super Tomcat or whatever, and call it a day. The fear factor alone will win wars. No one dares confront a Tomcat and lives to tell the tale. Mwahaha!!!!
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in the 60s the manned fighters had to be replaced with guided missiles, now the manned fighters "will to be replaced" with drones....... i wonder what will replace the fighters in 2050....
IMO... the Honor and title "Ace" is already dead. Really, what would be the litmus test for a Fighter Pilot these days to be titled an "Ace"?

Let's see.....How many "kills" from the longest distance of launching your ordnance?

An enemy you don't see with your own eyes except for a radar, sensors, etc. screen.

Warfare is no longer Mano to Mano....you no longer see the eyes of your enemy.

Dog fights are dead....it used be exciting to hear about kills being racked up by Ace pilots....now it's crickets. Maybe I'm old and times have certainly changed because of technology.....I guess I just miss reading about the Dog fight day's.

The picture below is indicative of the times we live in......would you ever be able to call this or a pilot like this an Ace? There is no maneuver by maneuver and kills story the pilot below can tell that could make his long distance mission exciting.

The Ace is Dead....

The last Ace of Ace's was 1988! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aces_of_aces

So, what will replace fighters in 2050? Who knows....but it will probably be boring.



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IMO... the Honor and title "Ace" is already dead. Really, what would be the litmus test for a Fighter Pilot these days to be titled an "Ace"?

Let's see.....How many "kills" from the longest distance of launching your ordnance?

An enemy you don't see with your own eyes except for a radar, sensors, etc. screen.

Warfare is no longer Mano to Mano....you no longer see the eyes of your enemy.

Dog fights are dead....it used be exciting to hear about kills being racked up by Ace pilots....now it's crickets. Maybe I'm old and times have certainly changed because of technology.....I guess I just miss reading about the Dog fight day's.

The picture below is indicative of the times we live in......would you ever be able to call this or a pilot like this an Ace? There is no maneuver by maneuver and kills story the pilot below can tell that could make his long distance mission exciting.

The Ace is Dead....

The last Ace of Ace's was 1988! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aces_of_aces

So, what will replace fighters in 2050? Who knows....but it will probably be boring.



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you might be right ofc but all those theories about air combat are not yet tested, and there is no guarantee that things will go as the US strategists are planning; usually war disproves theories very badly.
Remember what happened in vietnam with the phantoms without cannons because dogfights were dead? then you fight an air war on the attacking side on enemy territory and everything change.
i really don't wanna see the stealth qualities and beyond visual attack capabilities of f35s and f22s tested in a war( really really don't) but if does happen... we'll see how it goes.

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i guess we will have to wait for quite a while before we will see stealth vs stealth air combat as only the US and its allies has deployed stealth jets. as for stealth vs non stealth air combat, that could happen a lot sooner...
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also, if you want a missile boat, given that f-35 will get drone control interface, maybe they should develop a drone missile boat that might be cheaper than f-15x
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also, if you want a missile boat, given that f-35 will get drone control interface, maybe they should develop a drone missile boat that might be cheaper than f-15x
that is really interesting but i wonder if the f35 as drone control platform doesn't need a two seats option, the workload on the pilot must be intense
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in other news .... of the standard F-15....

Cluster Bomb Toting F-15Es Are Patrolling The Persian Gulf To Counter Small Boat Swarms

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ll-boat-swarms

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