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Old 11-22-2018, 02:52 AM   #1
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Maybe something for Hobby Master ? Would be very nice side by side with their Flanker !
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Not usually a fan of prototype planes but this does look really nice, especially that scheme,

Chances of it ever being made by HM, next to zero but hey, we can all dream right
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It's already coming in 1/72 diecast, Herpa announced one for next year.

I'd like one but I'm patient. I'd like an operational configuration and livery, not developmental. Also, I'd like it to be based on a decent kit. No repetition of HM's three rushed and spectacularly awful F-35 toolings thanks.
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Have you seen the price ?
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Old 11-23-2018, 02:11 AM   #5
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109,95 Euro ... I think that will be the future of diecast airplanes: new models available above 100 Euro ...
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109,95 Euro ... I think that will be the future of diecast airplanes: new models available above 100 Euro ...
It pretty much already is
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Old 02-04-2019, 07:37 PM   #7
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Continuing with the theme:

Herpa 1/72 T-50/SU-57 model as appeared on Nurnberger Toy Show 2019


Lets wait for more images but what I see so far looks good to me. Better than AF1 PAK-FA in every case. But ....

... it also looks like we have some answers here, gents:
Do you agree this is AF1 mold?

I would say so as there is the exact same mistake on the inlets at the base of the vertical fins: outwards on Herpa and AF1, inwards on real T-50.




Also - check the two panels at the nose under the windscreen - they are exactly same:


Also:
  • mold construction (division lines at the front) - exactly same
  • canopy - looks to be same
  • if you look closely at the 055 number behind the canopy, in front of it you´ll see remnants of typical AF1 riveting.
  • and if you look more closely on the whole model, you´ll see the original AF1 riveting everywhere, even it looks not so prominent as on AF1.

There were some huge errors on AF1 PAK_FA:
  • wrong height of the rear main gears
  • disgusting riveting
  • AF1 tailfins needed to be angled bit more

If I´d be pesimistic, I´d say that Herpa will just use the old AF1 mold, maybe with tweaked rear main gears. We will have to wait for more photos, anyway it would be nice to check the situation with Herpa directly.

Can maybe someone provide any working link to someone in Herpa? (They have a Contact form on their website but not sure if it really works....)
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Do you agree this is AF1 mold?



If I´d be pesimistic, I´d say that Herpa will just use the old AF1 mold, maybe with tweaked rear main gears. We will have to wait for more photos, anyway it would be nice to check the situation with Herpa directly.
Interesting points. Disappointing if it is the same tooling.
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sorry, how can it be both 'looks better than the AF1 mould in every way' and there are questions if it is the same mould?

the overall feel i get from that photo is that it looks like the low grade plasticky stuff made for the chinese internal market.
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I really hope it is not the same mould (and also a serious price for an AF1 copy). After the plastic window of the B-1B, this could be the second disaster (for me) from Herpa ...
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I really hope it is not the same mould (and also a serious price for an AF1 copy). After the plastic window of the B-1B, this could be the second disaster (for me) from Herpa ...
has herpa made a good model yet in 1/72?
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:18 PM   #12
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Bad news....
Owning the af1 t50, I am deeply sorry to announce that the picture of the herpa model shows a 80% similar model to the af1
Similar shape, similar canopy, inlet, gravings on the nose...etc etc .
So herpa t50 is an air force 1 mold

I ll pass....
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Old 02-05-2019, 01:39 PM   #13
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Bad news....
Owning the af1 t50, I am deeply sorry to announce that the picture of the herpa model shows a 80% similar model to the af1
Similar shape, similar canopy, inlet, gravings on the nose...etc etc .
So herpa t50 is an air force 1 mold

I ll pass....
It is supposed to be the same aircraft.

80% similarity indicates a different tooling. Not the same one.

Herpa and Air Force1 are unlikely to share toolings.
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Old 02-25-2019, 10:56 AM   #14
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Wow...the price for a possible, not possible, AF1 moulded Herpa selling plane....



You know ... In this day and age...higher prices for 1/72's seem to becoming the norm. But I guess some collectors could rationalize paying those prices when you consider those who collect 1/200's and smaller scales. They pay higher prices on average for a much smaller scale.

Below is an example. It appears to me IMO, It's a scale versus price .... For 1/72 collectors its large size for less price, more bang for the buck mentality, for 1/200 collectors it's small size for higher price mentality. Then there's the question of model detailing..how much will collectors be willing to pay for the size and detailing. Some collectors may believe that the best detailing is found at a certain scale over another scale.

Bottom line.... Those diehard 1/72 collectors should consider not harping to bad on high prices, just consider what your 1/200 collectors brethren are paying for there models and you will think your still getting a 1/72 at a bargain price

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I do a lot of 1/200, large aircraft.

1) I usually get 10-20% off (or more) of those listed prices. Just because it lists as MSRP doesn't mean that's final...

2) Honestly I feel I'm getting more bang for my buck with 1/200 in terms of metal content and attention to detail. HM MiG-23, for example...over $100 for what feels like more than half plastic, and then questionable colors, overspray, sometimes bad fit for the ordnance, etc. Whereas most of my commercial 1/200 stuff comes with crisp, solid paint lines, nice detailing, and it's a solid chunk of metal. Admittedly the scaling is clearly different so there won't be small stuff like pitot tubes, AOA vanes, etc, but sometimes it's still there like the Inflight and Gemini E-4s.

Herpa marking up the AF1 T-50 by more than 50% isn't surprising. They have their hits and misses, but their pricing is the biggest miss of all.

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I do a lot of 1/200, large aircraft.

1) I usually get 10-20% off (or more) of those listed prices. Just because it lists as MSRP doesn't mean that's final...

2) Honestly I feel I'm getting more bang for my buck with 1/200 in terms of metal content and attention to detail. HM MiG-23, for example...over $100 for what feels like more than half plastic, and then questionable colors, overspray, sometimes bad fit for the ordnance, etc. Whereas most of my commercial 1/200 stuff comes with crisp, solid paint lines, nice detailing, and it's a solid chunk of metal. Admittedly the scaling is clearly different so there won't be small stuff like pitot tubes, AOA vanes, etc, but sometimes it's still there like the Inflight and Gemini E-4s.

Herpa marking up the AF1 T-50 by more than 50% isn't surprising. They have their hits and misses, but their pricing is the biggest miss of all.

Absolutely agree with your point about high Herpa prices and would like to see them in more reasonable ranges. Anyway unfortunately despite such an insanely high prices and sometimes weird colour schemes, we cannot overlook that all of their 1:72 jets are practically sold out. So actually collectors themselves support this Herpa price policy. Nothing we could do about it of course, just accept - and suffer .

As far as T-50 is concerned, I´ll personally wait for the final product photos. If Herpa uses unchanged AF1 mold (... which is almost for sure), even with corrected landing gear I´ll have troubles to convince myself to purchase all those insanely oversized rivets. If miracle happens and exaggerated rivets vanish, I´ll probably buy, despite "Herpa" prices.
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Alternative to Herpa, SU-57 by AF1.
Just newly listed on eBay as AF1 1/72 New Russian Sukhoi T-50 (Su-57) diecast Fighter model.
Herpa´s bort is 055.






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Alternative to Herpa, SU-57 by AF1.
Just newly listed on eBay as AF1 1/72 New Russian Sukhoi T-50 (Su-57) diecast Fighter model.
Herpa´s bort is 055.





Thanks Ladia. Either those pictures are distorted, or the cockpit is severely stunted. Rearwards facing AAMs and devoid of probes and aerials?

On the positive side it seems nicely painted and stenciled - even if the stencils don't have proper writing!

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Thanks Ladia. Either those pictures are distorted, or the cockpit is severely stunted. Rearwards facing AAMs and devoid of probes and aerials?

On the positive side it seems nicely painted and stenciled - even if the stencils don't have proper writing!
I have one of theses also. we need to have a new mould too..lol

the bay is not keyed so you can place them facing forward or rear ward...lol i gues we could ve have all 6 rearward facing missiles?

AF1 actually got some cool features not avail on HM like all moving horizontal stabs.. like force of valor. the pivoting point is fragile however...
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Thanks Ladia. Either those pictures are distorted, or the cockpit is severely stunted. Rearwards facing AAMs and devoid of probes and aerials?

On the positive side it seems nicely painted and stenciled - even if the stencils don't have proper writing!
Not sure what you mean by "cockpit is severely stunted", but if you mean canopy shape, it really looks somehow higher than should be (but not a deal breaker for me)


Rearwards facing AAM: just a wrong assembly. AF1 weapon bays come as separate parts and probably can be inserted in both directions.


On the positive side it seems nicely stenciled: totally agree with Adour. One of the strongest points of this model.


Rised screws from below don´t look very good, anyway I´m personally most worried by oversprayed grey in tail area and behind the "056" numbers. Here the Herpa prototype looks much better. If cheaper AF1 will have these oversprays and Herpa not, I´m afraid I´ll have to buy more expensive Herpa. But that´s just me....





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I have one of theses also. we need to have a new mould too..lol

the bay is not keyed so you can place them facing forward or rear ward...lol i gues we could ve have all 6 rearward facing missiles?

AF1 actually got some cool features not avail on HM like all moving horizontal stabs.. like force of valor. the pivoting point is fragile however...
Figured the AAMs were reversable, but I couldn't let it go without a comment.

I have some modern AF1s, if you choose carefully, they're not all bad by any means.

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Not sure what you mean by "cockpit is severely stunted", but if you mean canopy shape, it really looks somehow higher than should be (but not a deal breaker for me)
I meant less streamlined than it should be. Either too tall or not long enough, can't be bothered to measure it to work out which. Very obvious to my eyes so it would be a dealbreaker for me.
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I meant less streamlined than it should be. Either too tall or not long enough, can't be bothered to measure it to work out which. Very obvious to my eyes so it would be a dealbreaker for me.
I see your point. Hopefully real model will look more acceptable.

Even with mistakes, this is one of the best AF1 models, if not their very best.

Anyway because of overspray I´ll wait for Herpa effort.
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I jumped on this one straight away. While the model quality is lower, the price is reasonable and nobody else makes one. 520misslady is my first choice for AF1, AVIC and Terebo. I have bought many recent Russian and Chinese fighter jets from this site on e-bay and have been very happy with the service.
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Lucky you, dollfins. More and more I start to think that this is so far the very best model made by AF1.

Anyway:
- Where exactly you see "lower model quality" of AF1 SU-57? In which points/areas?
- Has your model similar overspray as on photos above ? (around the tails, at the base of moving LERXes ...)
- If overspray exists: your personal assessment - is this overspray visually real bad or is almost negligible?

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My T-50 has been ordered, but has not arrived yet, so I cannot comment on the over spray. I have the original "prototype" model with the fractal camo and the over spray is quite noticeable. Also the panel lines are not as sharp as you would get on a HobbyMaster model. Despite these minor shortcomings I am still happy to have any sort of T-50 model.
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Also, if you want J-20 or J-31, at this point, you don't have any other choices except AF1.... too bad the AF1 J-20 and J-31 gears are not removable. other than that, they are actually quite decent for the price..
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I have both the J-20and J-31 in their prototype liveries. I am looking forward to getting models in operational liveries in the future.
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Both of my T-50/SU-57's have now arrived. Despite the different brand names, they share the same mold and packaging. The AF1 example has the previously mentioned over spray at the base of the tail planes. Fortunately, it is not very noticeable from the front. They are nicely detailed and have a good weight to them.
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looks nice! i got the camo one too. when it's production then HM will make one.
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Yes, I am slowly getting the HM versions of the AF1/AVIC/Terebo/Live For Interest/UNISTAR, etc. models that I have. I am happy to have both, as they each have their good and bad points.
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