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Old 01-06-2019, 09:13 AM   #251
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Thought I'd correct you there
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monsieur fs already has his (presumably at full retail). you, on the other hand...

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I know what you mean TC. Noel was in town to sign up a local distributor. The HM dealer didn't want it but the supplier of JCW took the dealership. But he was told to mark up his future stocks. His first batch of F-14s were selling at RM455. The later tomcats at RM550.
i wonder if that's why tfm decided not to put in any orders. don't think north american distributors take too well to being told how much they should sell the model for, it being a free market and all. by my reckoning that's close to a us$30 difference? that's really quite substantial. have the local distributors got the fencers in already? are they even getting any russian ones?
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Well in the US we frequently have MSRP, which stands for Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price.


It's actually somewhat common for US brands to enforce certain pricing too, in order to protect their brand image or value of their product or whatever. Any discounts need to be within a certain margin. Depends on what the product is, but they don't want one retailer massively discounting since it becomes a game of one-upmanship, etc.
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There are no new CalWings inventories.

I had discussed with the local Calwing dealer. According to him what he is trying to do is to sell at price affordable to the local market. By enforcing the MSRP he is just not able to sell.

1 US$ = RM4.10

It is just like selling Big Mac in different part of the world. These are some of the global prices by country
Switzerland USD6.54
USA USD 5.56
Singapore USD 4.28
Malaysia USD 2.10

Singapore is our next door neighbour yet the local Big Mac franchisee can only sell at half the price.

So I don't think new CalWings will come to the Malaysian shore anytime soon.
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There are no new CalWings inventories.

I had discussed with the local Calwing dealer. According to him what he is trying to do is to sell at price affordable to the local market. By enforcing the MSRP he is just not able to sell.

1 US$ = RM4.10

It is just like selling Big Mac in different part of the world. These are some of the global prices by country
Switzerland USD6.54
USA USD 5.56
Singapore USD 4.28
Malaysia USD 2.10

Singapore is our next door neighbour yet the local Big Mac franchisee can only sell at half the price.

So I don't think new CalWings will come to the Malaysian shore anytime soon.
by that token i guess mcdonald's simply doesn't offer the finest in beef patties or made with passion in malaysia...

...at least not as much as switzerland, by the looks of the bigmac index

all it takes is a one rogue to upset the entire price system, and sadly the one that toes the line will suffer. you already see this happening when collectors resort to buying online especially when the online price+shipping (or free shipping) is actually cheaper than local msrp.
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curious... you don't see many of calibre fencers being posted online despite 800 of them being sold out and released for quite sometime eh? what gives? slow boat to western continents? no boat?
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curious... you don't see many of calibre fencers being posted online despite 800 of them being sold out and released for quite sometime eh? what gives? slow boat to western continents? no boat?
Did they leave the factory ?
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More photos popping up at retailers that managed to get stock, still no better then previous copies with defects

Is it me or does the entire nose section look like it didn't get any weathering ? Also notice the deep panel lines. It's sporting a scratch in the same area FS's defective copy had one, possible rubbing on the shell packaging ? Scratch along the wing edge and fuel probe looks like it was jammed it, possible to break it trying to get it free ?

All this could be yours for the low low low price of 200usd


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Mine arrived last week. Photos attached with another recent arrival to give a sense of scale. The models are not fully assembled as I don't have the display space available for them at present. No obvious defects that I can see, but others may have a keener eye than me. No worries about the panel lines being too deep as they are tampo printed. The assembly instructions are nice touch and the front flap of the box is held closed with magnets. Have not seen that before, but it is nicer than the Velcro on HM's boxes. The model gives a good sense of an industrial (tractor factory) Soviet fighter and I would consider buying another in a different livery. It is interesting to see that different approaches that manufactures take to producing their models.
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where's the pitot???
did you say the panel lines are tampo printed?
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As I said, the model is not fully assembled, hence the missing pitot and weapons. Sadly the pitot on my model is bent, looks like soft plastic as previously described. Yes the panel lines have no depth, the polar opposite of my HM Fullback. Something in the middle would be better, shallow panel lines with a darker wash.
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Looks like you got yourself an ok copy Dollfins, nice.
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As I said, the model is not fully assembled, hence the missing pitot and weapons. Sadly the pitot on my model is bent, looks like soft plastic as previously described. Yes the panel lines have no depth, the polar opposite of my HM Fullback. Something in the middle would be better, shallow panel lines with a darker wash.
calibre really should've sorted out the pitot before release. really don't expect that from a us$159.95 model

whilst the non-sold out ukrainian fencers are popping out, i do wonder what happened to all the (sold out) russian fencers. were 800 really produced or did production hit some snag?
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Looks like you got yourself an ok copy Dollfins, nice.
whoa... that's like saying he got one of the rare pieces! if it passes monsieur uf's scrutiny, it's probably as close to the real thing as you'll ever get!
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whoa... that's like saying he got one of the rare pieces! if it passes monsieur uf's scrutiny, it's probably as close to the real thing as you'll ever get!
I still wouldn't buy it (inaccurate cream nose) but this particular copy doesn't have all the defects we've seen in retail photos, FS's copy, the review copies and even the shill copies on their FB pages.

Very rare to see a Calibre Fencer without more then 1 problem with it.
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I still wouldn't buy it (inaccurate cream nose) but this particular copy doesn't have all the defects we've seen in retail photos, FS's copy, the review copies and even the shill copies on their FB pages.

Very rare to see a Calibre Fencer without more then 1 problem with it.
monsieur esvees model wasn't too bad though... 'cept for those marks on its wings. and straight pitot. now that's a rare find! monsieur fs always had in mind to code 3 his models, so i don't think he bothers very much with such trivialities.
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As I said, the model is not fully assembled, hence the missing pitot and weapons. Sadly the pitot on my model is bent, looks like soft plastic as previously described. Yes the panel lines have no depth, the polar opposite of my HM Fullback. Something in the middle would be better, shallow panel lines with a darker wash.
strange... remember their unpainted prototypes having panel lines. must be getting old
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I guess I am a lot more forgiving than most other collectors. I think we are so fortunate to have such a variety of models and manufacturers. To get the models I want in the configurations I want them would cost millions and would not please anyone else. As others have said, buy what you like and like what you buy.
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I guess I am a lot more forgiving than most other collectors. I think we are so fortunate to have such a variety of models and manufacturers. To get the models I want in the configurations I want them would cost millions and would not please anyone else. As others have said, buy what you like and like what you buy.
millions for a model? why not buy the real thing? some pretty decent migs to be found, in flying condition: https://www.raptoraviation.com
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My Soviet SU-24 "Wave 1" is waiting for me at Aviationmegastore. I will tell you as soon as I get it!
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My Soviet SU-24 "Wave 1" is waiting for me at Aviatiomegastore. I will tell you as soon as I get it!
Please take some pics once it arrives. I'm interested to see if the QC on the Russian releases is consistent, so far they seem to be, perhaps to really bad once's remain at the factory
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Please take some pics once it arrives. I'm interested to see if the QC on the Russian releases is consistent, so far they seem to be, perhaps to really bad once's remain at the factory
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that's exactly it... you don't give people the full picture. if someone were to listen with their ears (and not their eyes) to your description, they would never know whether it's a FULL glass of water or HALF a glass of water!
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that's exactly it... you don't give people the full picture. if someone were to listen with their ears (and not their eyes) to your description, they would never know whether it's a FULL glass of water or HALF a glass of water!
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what? no pic of the detached nosecone?
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the gimmick lies in the accessory pack. perhaps they'll include a limited offer orion-a with that ordnance pack in the future?
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now this becomes interesting. doesn't calibre know how many orders their distributors put in... or how many they planned to supply? strange that noel comes out with a "we are unable to firmly answer that because of the low numbers that may or may not have been supplied" from a query on their fb site. couldn't they even confirm how many models they supplied to the local distributor? it's not like they have a running supply. 800, that's it. don't they even know where the 800 went to?
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When i was asked to review the New Calibre Wings SU24 i was very excited to do so. I was asked by Calibre wings to make an Honest non Biased Review so that is what i will do !
So Here goes the model arrived today and the Box is quite heavy and Very Colourful with Nice Glossy finish with some Lovely SU24 art work including a small write up on the Aircraft Specifications Speed/engine type/Range /Size and also which Airforces it is in Service with.
On opening the Box Lid you get a Nice clear view through the Plastic of the Model similar to Hobby Master Model Box Arrangement.Even before removing the inner plastic you can see how much detail is on this model.Removing the model from the box is easy enough and it comes with the wheels already attached Configured in the Gear Down posistion and Wow what a heavy Piece of Diecast this is ! the model feels very Sturdy and slid easily from the packaging .Underneath the Inner box was a small red Packet with Remove before Flight written on it inside was the Weapons and Configuration Instructions a really nice touch and shows a little bit of extra class not found with other manufactures.
Onto assembling the Model to configure the jet was a little bit Fiddly and this was were my critisism begins a little bit the Nose Pitot probe is made of a Rubber material with is very Bendy and as yet i have not managed to get this as straight as i really want i would have preferred a Plastic rigid type and taken the risk of snapping it rather than the floppy probe . Attaching the Large Fuel Tanks was a bit tricky as the Plastic Pegs were a little too Large and did not want to enter into the Model Hole and i have accidentally snapped one of the pegs but seems to be holding o.k on one peg and seems o.k but i think the weapons and tanks could have been made easier to fit.The Model comes with Intake and Exhaust blanks fitted which i personally like and i will leave fitted Tools to remove the blanks and help with fitting are also supplied see pics.
The Refueling probe can be placed in the up or Down positions another nice little touch and i think i like it in the Up position best.Also in the Box you will receive Canopy Pieces to place in the open/ closed or either door open or closed i must say i found this really nice !
The Sweeping Wings work very Well and makes the model look completely different in each wing pose ! all in all i give a 9 out of 10 with my only Criticisms being the Rubber Pitot Probe and Difficulty in fitting the Weapons and Fuel Tanks i have not reviewed the stand as i was told by calibre i would not Receive one or the Special Limited edition Card that would normally be supplied with the Model.
Anyway i will leave you all with the photos i have taken and if you can please leave your comments as Calibre will be looking at my review.Many thanks to Calibre for letting me review this model and also to you all in advance for your comments.Martin

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What happened to the photographs?
free hosting services come and go, their terms change, etc. i use imgbb for the few things that i post here, but wouldnt be surprised if they disappear one day too. it's the nature of the internet and unfortunately is one reason why facebook and similar services that at least seem to have something appraoching a sustainable business model are a better choice than forums increasingly seem like something from a previous generation of tech. unfortunately, this also means interacting with facebook, which is its own sort of evil.
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free hosting services come and go, their terms change, etc. i use imgbb for the few things that i post here, but wouldnt be surprised if they disappear one day too. it's the nature of the internet and unfortunately is one reason why facebook and similar services that at least seem to have something appraoching a sustainable business model are a better choice than forums increasingly seem like something from a previous generation of tech. unfortunately, this also means interacting with facebook, which is its own sort of evil.
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So, I got my UkrAF Su24 today. You have seen pictures of before of my RuAF Su24 and also the UkrAF Su24 of my friend which we bought in china. bit today i finally got my hands on my personal UkrAf Su24 which i preordered before knowing that i'd go to china and I honored my preorder over taking, frankly, a cheaper price in china. Because my RuAF model was with my friend overseas and so I only had a few minutes to look at it in his workshop on a trip there, this is my first time to really have hands on time with this mould.

The model arrived 'cold soaked' - having taken in the ambient temperature while in transit here. It's awlays nice to pick up a cold piece of diecast - it reminds you of the metal.

These comments are not meant to provoke - i'm just saying it as it is - the model is an absolute winner. The slightly yellow nose cone is a small oversight, but beyond that i'm struggling to find any issues here. Even the pitot on my example is ramrod straight (i rolled it between my fingers when it was just out of the box and still very cold - not sure if that helped or if you're supposed to do it if it was warm!). The glue that holds the main gear magnets had failed, but this was trivially fixed with a bit of superglue (if you have the 'gel' type, use that, probably). There's a ton to like about this model - from the fact that the sensor windows on the underside are actual clear plastic (hm would have provided painted black spots probably) to the fact that the slight panel wash is just really perfect. This model would look a lot worse in HM's 'clean' look - i'm thinking of it's otherworldly-clean grey mig23 for example.

The nose gear has several 'holes' where HM would have resorted to blanks. There are zero color mismatches or distracting seams.

it takes a lot for me to get excited about a piece of diecast these days. Doubly so with all the drama here in this forum surrounding this model. and, there's certainly something to be said for the fact that the included weapons could be better - something fixed with the now available weapons pack.

but, overall?

if we consider this a 2018 model, then i'm going to just come out and call this model of the year 2018.

About overall quality: think air commander's best phantom but with more detail but a slightly "dirtier" finish.

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So, I got my UkrAF Su24 today. You have seen pictures of before of my RuAF Su24 and also the UkrAF Su24 of my friend which we bought in china.

These comments are not meant to provoke - i'm just saying it as it is - the model is an absolute winner. The slightly yellow nose cone is a small oversight, but beyond that i'm struggling to find any issues here.

if we consider this a 2018 model, then i'm going to just come out and call this model of the year 2018.
I believe you had already mentioned this model before, i remember seeing pictures of your model you had provided, i assume they were the before pictures, yes i remember you mentioning you weren't happy with them tires & pitot tube.. but nice review now and before about this Su-24, it's because of reviews & pictures such as what you had provided, i myself own one copy too! i don't think you provoke anything here, i just see it as your own personal opinion on this Su-24 model, of course some of us will like it and others will not.. that's the way it is i'm afraid and you might be right we can consider this piece of Diecast model of the year 2018, this one or perhaps the HM Su-25 Ukrainian version..
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I believe you had already mentioned this model before, i remember seeing pictures of your model you had provided, i assume they were the before pictures, yes i remember you mentioning you weren't happy with them tires & pitot tube.. but nice review now and before about this Su-24, it's because of reviews & pictures such as what you had provided, i myself own one copy too! i don't think you provoke anything here, i just see it as your own personal opinion on this Su-24 model, of course some of us will like it and others will not.. that's the way it is i'm afraid and you might be right we can consider this piece of Diecast model of the year 2018, this one or perhaps the HM Su-25 Ukrainian version..
it's not that i didn't like the tyres - it's my friend who is an su24 expert and who happens to own moulds for better tyres that are consistent for the su24. So, i will probably ask him to replace mine because he's doing it for his UkrAF one and my RuAF one already anyway. We also replaced the kit pitots with metal ones, but what I am saying now is that the one out of the box in the example of the UkrAF one I got is perfectly fine.
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My Russian example had a few niggles as well. All were easily fixed and the pitot is quite straight as well. Just played around with it a bit. I already mentioned the weathering effects on another post. I think it’s a pretty good effort.

However a member on MHIII reported a shocker with all sorts of problems. Certainly there is some inconsistency with the release and I am not convinced all of them left the factory door.
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Old 01-26-2019, 09:38 AM   #287
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Hello everybody,


First of all best wishes for 2019.


I took these 2 pictures of probably the most famous model at this moment in the diecast world With the most famous pitot tube
I got the model yesterday and unfortunately I can not unpack or take more pictures because I broke my right hand when meeting the first snow of 2019.


After a quick look and first inspection, everything seems OK to me, even the pitot tube. Maybe there will be an unpleasant surprise when unpacking but at this moment I'm very happy with the model. Is is the Russian version, I don't like the shark on the other one.


Only 1 issue ... the steep price: for me 225 Euro (model and shipping). If this is the standard in the future I will surely buy a lot less models ! I hope the manufacturers understand this, otherwise they will shoot themselves in the head ... Our hobby has to stay affordable.


Enjoy the 2 pictures. The pitot has been taken in a very close close-up. Maybe I will buy the second wave Ukranian, depends after unpacking this one and looking more close.
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Old 01-26-2019, 12:00 PM   #288
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Looks like you got yourself a nice example. Will still pass on the upcoming wave and wait for the Ukrainian Digital camo Fencer hopefully sometime this year.
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Old 01-26-2019, 02:10 PM   #289
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Only 1 issue ... the steep price: for me 225 Euro (model and shipping). If this is the standard in the future I will surely buy a lot less models
any number of uk sellers would have shipped this to you for around 130-135 euro all in. you overpaid by nearly 100 euro for unclear reasons. now, the RuAF one is hard to find.
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any number of uk sellers would have shipped this to you for around 130-135 euro all in. you overpaid by nearly 100 euro for unclear reasons. now, the RuAF one is hard to find.
His is a Russian SU-24.
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His is a Russian SU-24.
ya, i got it, but this russian one was for sale at the price that i mentioned for a long time on preorder.
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Only 1 issue ... the steep price: for me 225 Euro (model and shipping). If this is the standard in the future I will surely buy a lot less models ! I hope the manufacturers understand this, otherwise they will shoot themselves in the head ... Our hobby has to stay affordable.
I ordered mine from Aviation Megastore in Netherlands (still waiting for it) : The cost was €159.95 + €15.00 shipping = €174.95.

Therefore be confident in your future purchases!
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Old 01-27-2019, 05:16 AM   #293
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I know I paid a high price. But I also found out that a lot of people are still waiting for their pre-order. So, I didn't want a pre-order but a model in stock. I searched everywhere inside the EU where to buy a Calibre Fencer, in the first place the Russian one. The only place was on ebay and this was the cheapest ... The Russian one is the most difficult to find. I know you can find cheaper in the US and China but if you count shipping AND ... custom ... it is more expensive for me ...


Sometimes you have to do something crazy in your life, I won't buy each month a model over 200 Euro's
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Old 01-27-2019, 06:27 PM   #294
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Yeah,..I paid a premium for mine.

It is what it is.
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Old 02-12-2019, 05:24 AM   #295
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Like I said before, the Big Macs are cheaper in Kuala Lumpur than in Europe and the USA.

So are the calwings Su-24. They are in town. And they DON'T cost $159.95 (TFM) or European 159.95 euros. Something I can afford. Will be getting mine tomorrow.
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Old 02-28-2019, 06:52 AM   #296
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Noticed this on Calibre's FB page

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Old 03-02-2019, 03:22 AM   #297
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I got the Calibre Wings CL-CA722402 Su-24 just before the Chinese New Year. It now sits side by side with HM digital camo Su-25.



I thought I could not afford this model. But when this model was offerred in the grey market for RM525/USD129 (landed price), I had to take it.

Yes rubber pitot tube is straight.

But the 3 main gripes are:
1) The canopy window cannot be closed tightly.
2) The studs of the weapons are short and small. I broke a few trying to insert into the very tight holes.
3) The little hole on the left side of the wing is still there (Take Note UF!!!).

Broke those tiny studs.

The little hole is still there


It is not prefect, but for the price I had paid I am quite happy.
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Old 03-02-2019, 05:12 AM   #298
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Thanks for posting KLtower. Shame about the hole/crack(?), otherwise at least all the antennas were straight.

I have 2 questions. Others have claimed that Calibre used tempo markings for panel lines in some areas, what are those areas ? And does the entire nose section look like it's a different shade of grey ? Or maybe less weathered ?

Great display along side the Su-25.
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Old 03-02-2019, 05:53 AM   #299
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The nose section are different shades of grey


I think the panel lines are washed rather than tempoed.

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1) The canopy window cannot be closed tightly.
It may be that the front of the canopy (arrow to arrow) is not at the same width to the opening hatch part of the canopy....notice the back part of the hatch (circles) is flush with the rest of the fuselage as it should be. 1st pic is actual ac.

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