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Old 12-15-2018, 04:59 AM   #201
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And then the other distributor Historic Sales no longer exists ??
Might be glitch on your end ..... It still works for me

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Actually that be a glitch on Calibre's website

Good news for North America then.
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Actually that be a glitch on Calibre's website

Good news for North America then.
Both CW Fencers still listed on North America Distributer .... Historic Aviation

No mention of a pre-order...

Btw I went through the motion of ordering to get both planes in a cart and to snap the screenshot below....(I'm not buying these problem plagued planes)



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Well, I went one step further and placed an order - #4677720. I will cancel my order at diecastairplane.com if it ships.
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Both CW Fencers still listed on North America Distributer .... Historic Aviation

No mention of a pre-order...

Btw I went through the motion of ordering to get both planes in a cart and to snap the screenshot below....(I'm not buying these problem plagued planes)



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looks like you're following noel's advice to not buy if you think they're garbage
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Both CW Fencers still listed on North America Distributer .... Historic Aviation

No mention of a pre-order...

Btw I went through the motion of ordering to get both planes in a cart and to snap the screenshot below....(I'm not buying these problem plagued planes)



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How many of the Russian copies does it let you add to cart ?

Meanwhile shouldn't have HK retailers got this by now. I've heard rumours that some dealers in Taiwan have got this model, if my high school geography selves me right, isn't HK closer to Ghina then TW ?

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Apparently the Skies the limit!!

I entered qty. 10,000 for each one....

I'm not buying these ... But if someone is interested, they should call instead to verify if actually in stock.....

Of course it could have auto corrected for a limited amount in final checkout...which I'm not going to go through

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Put your.... put your order through



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How many of the Russian copies does it let you add to cart ?

Meanwhile shouldn't have HK retailers got this by now. I've heard rumours that some dealers in Taiwan have got this model, if my high school geography selves me right, isn't HK closer to Ghina then TW ?

china is huge so no, hkg is not necessarily closer to china than twn is. as to why hkg retailers haven't got any, perhaps hkg distributors never ordered any?
as for the container vessel... that kinda explains why calibre costs as much as they do: one container per box (coz that seems like what the entire west is getting)

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china is huge so no, hkg is not necessarily closer to china than twn is. as to why hkg retailers haven't got any, perhaps hkg distributors never ordered any?
as for the container vessel... that kinda explains why calibre costs as much as they do: one container per box (coz that seems like what the entire west is getting)
Guangdong province is usually where most manufacturing happens in China, so yes it would be closer

HK retailers claim to be getting them in February so I guess they did order some.

Oh that ship contained all of North America's orders, so get those PO's in, only 5 made it
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Guangdong province is usually where most manufacturing happens in China, so yes it would be closer

HK retailers claim to be getting them in February so I guess they did order some.

Oh that ship contained all of North America's orders, so get those PO's in, only 5 made it
is that why some collectors on fb misunderstood noel's second wave to be their second production run? strange that. i reckon the hkg retailers ordered but haven't been invoiced and assumed the model hasn't been released. boy are they in for a shocker when the 'we do not have sufficient stock to meet your orders' memo comes in
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Here are some photos of my calibre su24

A few i portant ccaveats

These are in the hands of an ex pilot and expert model builder who works for me who is a su24 fanatic and even flew in it a few times. He also is developing a su24 in 1/144 that is very accurate and the guy apparently spent $10k of his own money to buy original blueprints and mateials from okb sukhoi to get it right. He criticizes the existing trumpeter and other su24 models endlessly. So, he wants to fix up some things on my models because hes a su24 fanatic even though honestly im not that bothered.

Although this will likely be misunderstood or taken out of context by idiots, i want to stress that despite this guy doing some improvements, the qualit of the model out of the box is at or exceeds state of the art in diecast at the moment.. the model is as nice as any out there. A few small issues, sure, but to anybody with eyes its clear that it has roughly 3 x the conokexity of hms decent but simple and bland su25.

I dropped in on my friend unannounced into his workshop and things were all over the place. We quickly gathered the models together for somequick photos. More will be coming later whe we have the chance to organize them properly.

Some notes
- he repalced the tyres with rubber ones he cast himself on the russian one and will do it on the ukrainian one soon. He has the mould as his old company made scale model add on parts.
- he has issues with the horizontal stabilizers and says that the shape is a bit off. Well within normal diecast tolerances. In at least one photo you can see the replacement that he is doing
- we didnt put any add on pieces except the fuel probe and the nose pitot I think i have photos in there with both the unpainted metal pitot that he created and also the kit pitot. The included pitot straightens out easily with a bit of manipulation. Its not ideal, but its a hard pieces to get right in diecast. I agree that for the future they probsbly want to upgrade this piece but its hardly the cause for high drama that some suggest. The fuel probe is a very clever piece that goes in two different ways depending if you want to show it extended or not excellent engineering by cal w
- i think he added some small missing lights on the underside. He also did this on the underwingtip of the hm su25
- he removed the vert stabilizer of the russian su24 sanded and reset it to be straighter.
- out of curiosity, when was the last time that hm painted the INSIDE of a clear canopy piece correctly as calw did here?
- the anhedral on the model is correct.
- it is posssible to get the wings out of sync by jumping a gear. If you do this, you just jiggle it a bit to get it back correctly. Not a big deal
- the add on pieces such as ordinance not shown here are really good. Ill try to show it all together a bit later

All in all, a very good model 8.5 or 9 out of 10 especially considering how ambitious it is.
















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The f*** is this....

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@FortunateSon: is your friend willing to sell me a pair of them rubber tyres for my Su-24? i could really use some also for my model..
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thanks for the pics, fs. no doubt an admirable effort by calibre wings, although they did go a bit heavy on the panel lining with this one. none of the featured pitots are the included pitot? any chance of seeing how the before and after straightening shots? does seem like getting a replacement pitot is a necessity. sad. perhaps your friend could supply the metal pitots to calibre for their future releases and it'll definitely make that digital camo ukrainian fencer second wave awesome.
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The white pitot is the included one and its fine.

If there is interest in replacement tyres for many ill see whatvit will take. Ill talk to him tomorrow
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The white pitot is the included one and its fine.

If there is interest in replacement tyres for many ill see whatvit will take. Ill talk to him tomorrow
thanks for the clarification, monsieur fs. my bad. when you said kit pitot, i assumed it was from a model kit. yeah, looks fine from the pictures you posted.
and you may be on to something with those replacement tyres. some of my display models displayed in ground config are already running on flats
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You can try these as an alternative....

1/72 SU-24 rubber tires...

https://modelgrad.com/eqg-72048-equi...hoi-su-24.html

Here's the main site .....

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Alternative cheaply priced Plans....SU-24

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That's a pretty good deal, much better then forking out 10k
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That's a pretty good deal, much better then forking out 10k
true... but is it official?
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The white pitot is the included one and its fine.

If there is interest in replacement tyres for many ill see whatvit will take. Ill talk to him tomorrow

Nice review FTS. It has its issues,...and for the price, I think its a reasonable expectation that the quality could be better.

It is what it is.

Mine is ordered with Ami Ami,...I am told that they are very reliable.

And truth be told I'm really looking forward to it. No one imagined, three years ago, such a tooling was possible.

My problem is multiple sales for the tooling,...to make the tooling earn a crust. I wont buy anymore unless its a Soviet camo Bird (maybe,...I mean maybe a AV-MF bird).

That's three max. Is there enough collectors who will want three??
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Nice review FTS. It has its issues,...and for the price, I think its a reasonable expectation that the quality could be better.

It is what it is.

Mine is ordered with Ami Ami,...I am told that they are very reliable.

And truth be told I'm really looking forward to it. No one imagined, three years ago, such a tooling was possible.

My problem is multiple sales for the tooling,...to make the tooling earn a crust. I wont buy anymore unless its a Soviet camo Bird (maybe,...I mean maybe a AV-MF bird).

That's three max. Is there enough collectors who will want three??
I will decide after I have the first one in hand. That may be quite a while, at this rate.
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I will decide after I have the first one in hand. That may be quite a while, at this rate.
True,...a lot ifs and buts with my post.

Here is hoping. I do have space for three. But they have to compete with everything else,...space wont last forever.

Something about a SU17/20/22......
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Ill def take three. Ill preorder a digital camo ukr one the moment it is available.

I have a couple of well built plastic ones in 1/72 if somebody doesnt want the calibre. Honestly, the calibre are very decent and as lft who would imagine that wed have such a great acft.

I just hope all the chriping and noels own goals havent scuppered the su22. Id love one of those ugly beasts.
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Not sure if this has been discussed before but it seems like there are more big mistakes.

Nose shouldn't be cream and it looks like the sharkmouth is too short, instead of starting at the eye, it should be starting closer to the nose.


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Good point, UF.
on your last photo just above, the one with circled bent pitot, the nose looks creamy too.

Looking forward to see more pictures of the final spec as from that particular "Final" photo above it looks like transition between nose and pitot is visibly smoother than on previous photos, almost as it would be one-piece design now. But maybe its just the photo ...

Direct comparison of photos above also shows that the red color of shark´s mouth could be a bit darker, anyway grey overall color looks 100% correct. Apart from several well known mistakes, this Calibre Wings SU-24 seems to be a real masterpiece.
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I hope I don't get a Wave 1 model. Wave 2 has to be better.
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Good point, UF.
on your last photo just above, the one with circled bent pitot, the nose looks creamy too.

Looking forward to see more pictures of the final spec as from that particular "Final" photo above it looks like transition between nose and pitot is visibly smoother than on previous photos, almost as it would be one-piece design now. But maybe its just the photo ...

Direct comparison of photos above also shows that the red color of shark´s mouth could be a bit darker, anyway grey overall color looks 100% correct. Apart from several well known mistakes, this Calibre Wings SU-24 seems to be a real masterpiece.
Yeah it's even more noticeably cream on the retail copy.

Yes the colour used for the mouth probably could be darker as well.

In any case, there are way too many errors with this release, hopefully wave 2 is a lot better.
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Yeah it's even more noticeably cream on the retail copy.

Yes the colour used for the mouth probably could be darker as well.

In any case, there are way too many errors with this release, hopefully wave 2 is a lot better.
Too expensive a release to be just 'ok' with the errors for me. I'd rather wait until 2028 for this from CW
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I imagine most collectors will be doing this, they better produce more then 800 next time
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I imagine most collectors will be doing this, they better produce more then 800 next time
but then there wouldn't be a mad stampede and japanese retailers may see fewer orders
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but then there wouldn't be a mad stampede and japanese retailers may see fewer orders
Well if Calibre want collectors to stop panicking over a model, a bad one at that, they should of made more

Their run should of been 1000, then they said there wasn't demand, now they are saying the 800 they made sold faster then limited edition Swiss army knifes

I still think that so many of them were that poorly assembled that they didn't make it to the box.
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Well if Calibre want collectors to stop panicking over a model, a bad one at that, they should of made more

Their run should of been 1000, then they said there wasn't demand, now they are saying the 800 they made sold faster then limited edition Swiss army knifes

I still think that so many of them were that poorly assembled that they didn't make it to the box.
lol... oldest trick in the book: limit supply to create artificial demand to justify prices.

and no, swiss army knives 'limited' run isn't 800 pieces. they're anywhere from 5,000 to 15,000, and hence the perception that the limited saks don't sell as well. try getting your hands on their 'special' runs... that's a different kettle of fish altogether. another thing about saks is you'll receive a perfect piece every single time. without exception.
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Saw another Su-24 video today and oh boy, it just gets worse


Well I suppose now he can repaint the nose white so its correct


And this gap has to be the biggest I've seen on a model, they take over from HM as being the gappiest
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that first pic is reminiscent of the mig15 fagot... and at least he got a straight pitot
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another bent pitot... model# 500/800
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Morning all,

I will just add my review here.

It's been a while since the last visit to my couch! I figured this would be a model many people would be interested in knowing about. It quickly became rather obvious that CalWings didn't make many of these. (800 in fact) If you're feeling generous it may be because they were not sure they would sell a larger production run. At the end of my review, you can draw your own conclusions.

I picked up basically the last one available on taobao at a reasonable price, since then even in China they seem to have become scarce. Initial impressions were good, with good solid packaging and presentation.




Exhaust and intake covers are included, something I haven't seen before, as well as many canopy display options (closed, open, half open either side) You have some ordnance options, but not many. I'll come back to this.



Also, it includes some very clear instructions, which I do genuinely appreciate (other manufacturers should take note!)

Landing gear fit fine. The pitot tube is overly soft as has been pointed out to Calwings before. At least mine is more or less straight, but because there is almost no rigidity to it at all, it is a pita to get it into the nosecone. Letting it have a bit of give is one thing, this is way too much.





And as mentioned, there are lots of parts for canopy options. Pilots are also quite well done.











Overall it captures the look of the aircraft quite well. The panel lines are really pronounced, like HM's or CW's used to be in the beginning, but even more so. In places it looks like it was almost brush painted to look a bit uneven. They may have been going for a slightly weathered look, but not sure they quite pulled it off if that was the idea. Still it has presence.











With the good bits out of the way, there are some disappointments. The Swing wing is quite loose, making it easy to move, but it actually even droops slightly. Also, this leaves marks on where the wings meet the fuselage.





And then on to my biggest gripe, which is the stores or lack of them. The only offensive weapons included are R60 missiles for the fuel tank stations and 2 rocket pods for the wing stations. The Su 24's over Syria (one of which this represents) frequently carry FAB 500M variants or smaller bombs. The model clearly includes the fuselage stations for these. Then why not include them with the model as standard? Calwings has gone to all the trouble of providing parts some people will never use (canopy + covers) and then they decide they want to sell the stores separately? This either means they are being cheap on an expensive model or they rushed the release, neither of which is good. Their upcoming weapon set does seem to include bombs (if they ever release it), but this really annoys me.





Overall then, in some areas this model feels like a quality item, where a lot of thought has gone in to presentation and providing options. But in other areas it just feels unfinished. On top of the stores gripe, since I bought this I realized Calwings have stated they are making changes to correct issues with subsequent Su 24's. This should not have been released if that was the case. It puts the low production run into perspective.

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indeed a highly anticipated review, and thanks for providing the supporting pictures (worth approx. 19,000 words by monsieur bb's count ). after close to two years, i suppose calibre wings felt pressured to put this into the market asap considering the flagging sales of their classic cat series? weapons pack and the soon to be introduced separate stand without a corresponding reduction in premium prices seems to be a means of padding the books. the strange part about the demand theory is the vast difference between demand between the russian and ukrainian fencers. what's the major factor that has created such a big difference in demand? syrian deployment? would that alone have contributed to the global out of stock phenomena? and this with absolutely no orders from perhaps one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) military aircraft distributors in north america, namely the flying mule? what gives? looking at production numbers of models by other manufacturers 800 does seem more of a norm these days than the exception. or did calibre have production issues that the 800 weren't all produced in time for release? i'll see whether a model actually turns up at my regular diecast pusher to get my hands on one instead of resorting to tapao or amiami. if it doesn't, then guess i'll just wait for the digital camo with the issues addressed...

p.s. i'd take it off the stands, if i were you, monsieur esvees, especially if you plan on having them on long term.

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Thanks for photos and review which will be surely valued by many collectors here, Esvees.

Seems that you are happy maybe for some 70% only. Well, its showing again that there´s no perfect model in diecast, especially the first releases, no matter the price.

Most of the flaws you mentioned were visible from pictures published so far (like missing FAB 500M bombs etc.), so I guess those flaws were not real deal breakers for you as you have bought the model anyway.

But your information about drooping wings that are scratched when you´re sweeping the wings is really frustrating and Noel should be definitely informed about this as soon as possible. It can save many future disappointments to collectors and CalWings as well.

Two points for you:
1. If you have decided to keep this model: - an instant cure - is there maybe some space between your wings and fuselage to place a thin transparent sticker under the wings that would prevent from scratching the surface? I mean space enough that even with the sticker on place the wing isn´t lifted so much that now the Upper wing would be scratched when sweeping the wings. Maybe the sticker could also be inserted not on the wings, but inside the wing openings in the fuselage.

Second point:
There is an issue with the Cal Wings stands as as Tomcatter mentioned - the three contact rubber boots (or what are they made from) are very aggresive to the paint and after not so long time they damage the contact areas on the model. You´d better use another stand or display your model on the wheels. L.

Anyway, even with certain bugs - with the straight pitot this SU-24 looks very appealing.

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Great review Esvees. It does look like then Russian copy received better QC, pitot straight (or did you run it under the tap beforehand hardpoints and tail look right. The extra ordnance will be fixed once they release their weapons pack,

But that gap along the wing, I hope that's one of the things they are tweaking in the next wave. HM gets heavily criticised for its gaps but these gaps on such an expensive model and it a prominent spot are not acceptable.

As for the wing themselves, that's rather annoying they are loose or droop. I have read that if you do not move both wings at the same time, they can slip out of gear. HM did this much better.

Also not sure about the white around the nose section being different, I guess it's applied much thinner on the zinc part.

You got yourself a semi acceptable model though.

PS, as others have pointed out, take it off that stand post haste, the rubber used on the stand eats away at the paint within 2-3 months of display.
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Besides the scuff marks, yours seems to be a nice model. You may have received one of the better ones I guess. Will still wait and hope the bugs can be worked out with their next releases on this mould before I drop close to $200 on one. Hoping for a Ukrainian in the awesome digital camo scheme next.
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Agree that the biggest issue is the wing root gap. I am almost convinced that not 800 went out the factory door.

I don't mind the wash. I guess they tried to make it look weathered. The panel lines are a tad deep but with the wash, I actually don't mind it too much. Russian jets are supposed to look rough and ready.
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Nice review Esvees.

But how did you managed to squeeze 3 large Sukhoi planes and one helicopter with blades into a detolf shelf!!!

I will have to wait awhile for a better model as currently it is very pricey by Malaysian standard.
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Nice review Esvees.

But how did you managed to squeeze 3 large Sukhoi planes and one helicopter with blades into a detolf shelf!!!

I will have to wait awhile for a better model as currently it is very pricey by Malaysian standard.
the detolfs are pretty deep and can easily accommodate those especially if the wings are not at exactly the same height. it's even easier with witty stands if you tilt the models.
waiting a while may yield you a better model, yes... but i don't think you'll see prices dropping, at least not from the elitist calibre wings. i know of distributors who got flak from them for actually selling below the srp as calibre insisted on maintaining their elite pricing. and you can see how quickly they increase their prices by looking at their classic cat releases. your only hope then, monsieur kltower, is for these models to bin. but even then you'll have to scramble with the likes of monsieur uf
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the detolfs are pretty deep and can easily accommodate those especially if the wings are not at exactly the same height. it's even easier with witty stands if you tilt the models.
waiting a while may yield you a better model, yes... but i don't think you'll see prices dropping, at least not from the elitist calibre wings. i know of distributors who got flak from them for actually selling below the srp as calibre insisted on maintaining their elite pricing. and you can see how quickly they increase their prices by looking at their classic cat releases. your only hope then, monsieur kltower, is for these models to bin. but even then you'll have to scramble with the likes of monsieur FS
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I know what you mean TC. Noel was in town to sign up a local distributor. The HM dealer didn't want it but the supplier of JCW took the dealership. But he was told to mark up his future stocks. His first batch of F-14s were selling at RM455. The later tomcats at RM550.
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"but it actually even droops slightly", thus accurately portraying the anhedral of the aircraft while on the ground.
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