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Old 11-22-2018, 05:17 AM   #101
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I’ve been watching this forum for a number of years and finally taken the plunge to join it.

I can honestly say what an absolute joke of a forum this is.

It’s given me a good laugh reading all this bollocks - sounds like a lot of sour grapes and spiteful pricks - if you are all so critical of pretty much of every aircraft released - it’s a wonder if you have any collections at all?
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I’ve been watching this forum for a number of years and finally taken the plunge to join it.

I can honestly say what an absolute joke of a forum this is.

It’s given me a good laugh reading all this bollocks - sounds like a lot of sour grapes and spiteful pricks - if you are all so critical of pretty much of every aircraft released - it’s a wonder if you have any collections at all?


Yes Your Spot on such a shame isn’t it. Used to be a good forum but not anymore lots of so called Model experts 😂
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I’ve been watching this forum for a number of years and finally taken the plunge to join it.

I can honestly say what an absolute joke of a forum this is.

It’s given me a good laugh reading all this bollocks - sounds like a lot of sour grapes and spiteful pricks - if you are all so critical of pretty much of every aircraft released - it’s a wonder if you have any collections at all?
Well, you're not the first person to comment. Here's the last one.
https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...ml#post2647406

However, as I said in that thread. Doesn't apply to the airliner forums of the DAC.
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Old 11-23-2018, 03:39 AM   #107
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i guess we will never really know whether the reviewer has been collecting for years and have hundreds of models in his collection unless he does a review of his collection, or if one knew the reviewer personally. to monsieur uf's credit, he did say that it "seems" that the reviewer is a junior collector based on his observations. in any event, monsieur vader1 has created the opposite argument by using the "may" argument so it will be interesting to hear on what basis he has come out with this hypothesis based on the review. or perhaps he does know the reviewer personally?

monsieur eagle flyer... the airliner forums on dac are milder because they're civil (pun intended). i've been there, i've seen how nose shape arguments can get out of hand. it's not very pretty either. and they do take to counting the number of blades on the engines, so yeah, that can get pretty intense too.

as or monsieur ms1980, nice to see you finally contributing.
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i guess we will never really know whether the reviewer has been collecting for years and have hundreds of models in his collection unless he does a review of his collection, or if one knew the reviewer personally. to monsieur uf's credit, he did say that it "seems" that the reviewer is a junior collector based on his observations. in any event, monsieur vader1 has created the opposite argument by using the "may" argument so it will be interesting to hear on what basis he has come out with this hypothesis based on the review. or perhaps he does know the reviewer personally?

monsieur eagle flyer... the airliner forums on dac are milder because they're civil (pun intended). i've been there, i've seen how nose shape arguments can get out of hand. it's not very pretty either. and they do take to counting the number of blades on the engines, so yeah, that can get pretty intense too.

as or monsieur ms1980, nice to see you finally contributing.

Well some simple detective work suggests that he has quite a considerable amount by looking at the fb page.

However, mainly corgi as already pointed out and also mainly props.

But let’s hang the poor junior collector out to dry...

Heaven forbid any enthusiasm about the hobby!!
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Well some simple detective work suggests that he has quite a considerable amount by looking at the fb page.

However, mainly corgi as already pointed out and also mainly props.

But let’s hang the poor junior collector out to dry...

Heaven forbid any enthusiasm about the hobby!!
i don't think it was so much about his collection as it was about his review. there have been some junior collectors sharing their modest collection in here... and i don't remember any of them being hung out to dry. well, at least not after anybody was able to post anything without others claiming exclusivity for breaking news...
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Wow maybe a 1 year hiatus wasn't long enough. I didn't know one had to have been involved in the planning or building of an actual aircraft to leave a review on a model 🙄😂🤣
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Wow maybe a 1 year hiatus wasn't long enough. I didn't know one had to have been involved in the planning or building of an actual aircraft to leave a review on a model 🙄😂🤣
Yes Apparently you have to have B1,B2 or Cat C Licence or even be an Aircraft Designer to Leave a Review on here 🙈
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so, which one do you possess?
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That would be a BS category licence
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Agreed, if there are donkeys out there that just hand their wallets over to Noel, there’s little need to improve the quality or adjust the price to match the current low quality... but there are LOTS of collectors out there that are coming towards the end of collecting and don’t want rubbish in the last years of collecting. Noobs can take over then and fill Noel’s wallet from then on, if the hobby survives that long at the current price point...

Yeah, I got into collecting 3 years ago and am already out, (except for a single rare specimen), incredibly disappointed with HM's "efforts" with the Su-25 and Mig-25. Not too excited about the Calibre Wings' efforts either, cancelled my pre-order with the Wolfpack F-14.
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Yeah, I got into collecting 3 years ago and am already out, (except for a single rare specimen), incredibly disappointed with HM's "efforts" with the Su-25 and Mig-25. Not too excited about the Calibre Wings' efforts either, cancelled my pre-order with the Wolfpack F-14.

3 years??? that didn't last long



but yeah, this year has been pretty quiet over at my end. the year in review? i'm just glad hm made zeroes at 48 scale... that weren't weighing in at 100gm or less
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You shouldn’t put yourself down UF 😂
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Yeah, I got into collecting 3 years ago and am already out, (except for a single rare specimen), incredibly disappointed with HM's "efforts" with the Su-25 and Mig-25. Not too excited about the Calibre Wings' efforts either, cancelled my pre-order with the Wolfpack F-14.
What did you find wrong with the Su-25 and MiG-25 ?

After years of waiting and seeing what the marketing copies of the Su-24 are like, I'm not looking forward to seeing if the production copies are as bad
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but yeah, this year has been pretty quiet over at my end. the year in review? i'm just glad hm made zeroes at 48 scale... that weren't weighing in at 100gm or less
Seriously it is abit like that, in the last 3 years I've found myself drastically reducing the new releases I get.

It was the HM Su-25 for me, wasn't a totally quiet year.
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What did you find wrong with the Su-25 and MiG-25?

After years of waiting and seeing what the marketing copies of the Su-24 are like, I'm not looking forward to seeing if the production copies are as bad
i'm interested to know too as personally, i'd vote hm's ukrainian frogfoot effort model of the year for 2018...
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My model room is completely full; I have about 10 models in the closet and about 10 n pre-order. My wife says no more.
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completely full? surely you jest! there's plenty of airspace above the models, as far as i can tell. and definitely the cabinet tops are pretty much underutilised

that said, awesome display! wish my mancave could be half as neat as yours! i've quite honestly lost count how many unboxed models are still sitting in my store
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no... it is i who should be thanking YOU for sharing your awesome collection!
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no... it is i who should be thanking YOU for sharing your awesome collection!
Since you have over 5,000 posts, I will thank you for the kind words.
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I won't be able to do that today; I will start by taking a new picture of each display case.
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i'm interested to know too as personally, i'd vote hm's ukrainian frogfoot effort model of the year for 2018...
I was being a pill. I think it's just down to my personal opinions about the canopy. Just like how some don't like CW F-8's ridiculously chunky intake, but I don't mind it. I'd agree that the Ukranian digital frogfoot is an excellent scheme though. As far as the Mig-25 I like the model, it'd just I feel it looks really barren, and I am not a fan of how they did the crayola silver around the engines. I could def do a code 3, but I just don't feel I could justify it at the MSRP unless I let go of a couple of my models.
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I was being a pill. I think it's just down to my personal opinions about the canopy. Just like how some don't like CW F-8's ridiculously chunky intake, but I don't mind it. I'd agree that the Ukranian digital frogfoot is an excellent scheme though. As far as the Mig-25 I like the model, it'd just I feel it looks really barren, and I am not a fan of how they did the crayola silver around the engines. I could def do a code 3, but I just don't feel I could justify it at the MSRP unless I let go of a couple of my models.
fair enough. to their credit, they did reshape the windscreen of the frogfoot instead of giving excuses. i don't have a hm foxbat in my collection just yet so can't comment on that. waiting for a nice scheme to come along before i pull the trigger.
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here's another angle of the model. wonder whether that nose probe was pre or post hot water treatment
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I'll say it's another angle.....a different angle of the probe that is...




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that's just it. if it's such an easy fix, why don't all these reviewers/collectors do it? i'm very curious as to whether this was in fact a post-dip fix shot
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that's just it. if it's such an easy fix, why don't all these reviewers/collectors do it? i'm very curious as to whether this was in fact a post-dip fix shot
Clearly it's not as easy as 5 minutes under the tap

This guy puts all that effort into making a diorama but CBF'ed straighting the antenna, bull****.

On the plus side, the hardpoints look straighter.

It really is like playing lucky dip at the fair when buying from Calibre, you never know what yours will be like. Their consistency is a joke.
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Clearly it's not as easy as 5 minutes under the tap

This guy puts all that effort into making a diorama but CBF'ed straighting the antenna, bull****.

On the plus side, the hardpoints look straighter.

It really is like playing lucky dip at the fair when buying from Calibre, you never know what yours will be like. Their consistency is a joke.
from what shots are available currently, i'd say they've been pretty consistent... bent pitots in almost every photo. still waiting for them to hit the market for more straight out of the box shots.
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from what shots are available currently, i'd say they've been pretty consistent... bent pitots in almost every photo. still waiting for them to hit the market for more straight out of the box shots.
Bent pitots are about the only thing they can get consistently WRONG

It's all up to chance if your copy gets one or more for the following: leaning tail, wonky hardpoints, sloppy fins, missing parts, teeth marks, scratched paint, too much weathering and not enough weathering, I haven't seen such sloppy QC since Falcon Models or Amercom.
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I've looked everywhere for the Russian AF SU-24 and its like trying to find hen's teeth. I wish Calibre would make more!
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I've looked everywhere for the Russian AF SU-24 and its like trying to find hen's teeth. I wish Calibre would make more!
that's because it hasn't hit the market just yet. the ones that are featured are complimentary models for review. just keep your eyes peeled. tfm has just revised the arrival in jan '19 so barring any further delays, you should be seeing them soon. maybe.
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Seems that first pieces are already on eBay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Calibre-Win...r/323562983712

3 pcs still available, and according to the photos pitot looks almost straight
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Seems that first pieces are already on eBay:
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3 pcs still available, and according to the photos pitot looks almost straight
kinda interesting how this particular ebayer seems to have stock when none of the distributors has them in stock yet. free international shipping too
well, monsieur tris10&11, if you do get one from them, do post ur pics here. i think many are adopting the wait and see stance before pulling the trigger on this bird.
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kinda interesting how this particular ebayer seems to have stock when none of the distributors has them in stock yet. free international shipping too
well, monsieur tris10&11, if you do get one from them, do post ur pics here. i think many are adopting the wait and see stance before pulling the trigger on this bird.
It looks rather dodgy, a mess of photos taken from google images and facebook.

Defo waiting for photos from a reliable and trusted source.

That mess they made of the hardpoints and wing gloves makes me question if I should wait for the digi Fencer (TBA 2065 ) or not risk getting Noel's "garbage" (his own words ) at all.
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So

I am im china and have gotten so,e firsthand imfo on the su24. I happen to be travelling with a man who has flown the su24.

First of all, the model is absolutely spectacular. Its well detailed and there are a frw underside accuracy issues for the ukrainian mr version, in general this is a very very good model and its really a shame that its taken such a beating here mostly because one idiot who has never actually seen the model has nothing better to do.

However. The pitot is bent on all 4 examples i looked at. The chinese person who i spoke to, who is lets just say extremely knowledgeable and honest imdicated both that they could be pretty well straightened out but however that he was also offering his customers metal replacements from a third party. Remember that the probe is a separate piece and can be replaced.









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You shouldn't beat yourself up about it, next time open the shell and take a proper look
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Oh this must be those untrue stories that multiple people have made up both on here and Facebook

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"however that he was also offering his customers metal replacements from a third party."

Gee a 3rd party metal pitot.... Hmmmmm I wonder where he might have gotten that suggestion....

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One would think that for the price i.e. USD $160. For the CW "highest quality" model .... NL could at least provide metal pitots... It makes sense to me....metal plane, metal pitot... But no, the cheap and dirty way is more profitable. IMO....

Rhetorical Questions.....

If master-model can make them....why can't CW? Or if it's all about the outlay of cost for machine casting pitot's ... then why not contract third parties (i.e. Model-master, etc,) to make them and supply them...

There's absolutely no excuse for limp penis pitots...IMO.

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Old 12-01-2018, 03:07 AM   #145
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4/4. told you they were consistent. extremely consistent
that said, can't believe a manufacturer would hang their distributors out to dry expecting them to provide solutions instead. was it really so difficult to provide the replacement metal pitots?
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4/4. told you they were consistent. extremely consistent
that said, can't believe a manufacturer would hang their distributors out to dry expecting them to provide solutions instead. was it really so difficult to provide the replacement metal pitots?
Distributors be like when asked about CAD Wings quality:

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well, some distributors have yet to place any orders, eh?
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well, some distributors have yet to place any orders, eh?
That's called hesitation They probably sick of all the returns from those teeth mark Tomcats
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That's called hesitation They probably sick of all the returns from those teeth mark Tomcats
and you're making these assumptions on what basis exactly?
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and you're making these assumptions on what basis exactly?
After talking to several retailers on the topic of QC'ing Calibre models before shipping as I didn't want the pain of having to return a $200 model.

A few said they wouldn't check while other quiet openly said a few models were returned (and replaced) and a lot were missing parts, stands etc, it was a major hassle for them dealing with all those issues and with Calibre to get parts and replacements. One retailer noted they wouldn't be stocking Calibre models if they had the same issues with the next wave of models.
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