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Old 09-05-2018, 01:11 AM   #1
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Hi all...for a number of years I collected nothing but 1:400 jetliners. After taking a hiatus from the hobby for a few years I just got back into it, but in 1:200 jetliners. I love WWII USAAF aircraft but never collected them. I recently decided that I would like a B-17 model in the livery of the 447th BG (8th AF), as it was the group my father was in. It has the yellow tail with a large "K" on it. Fuddy Duddy and Bit 'O Lace are two examples. I know Corgi used to make one, but it's impossible to find without paying through the nose (or elsewhere) on ebay. Hogan makes one in 1:200 scale, but it's a bit small for my taste (and pricey for what you get). In addition, I wasn't impressed with what I saw in photos of it.



I then found one by Air Force 1 Models in 1/72 scale which appeared to be good, and the price was reasonable. Then I read a few reviews and comments about Air Force 1 Models and now I'm very hesitant to purchase that brand.



Does anyone have any suggestions for what brand I can find a good model of the aircraft in the colors of the 447th?



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Hi 1011 tristar.

You should always collect what you like and what makes you happy. don't let what i say or what anybody else says put you off this.

however, the general consensus is that the AF1 B-17 is quite poor. it's a step below in terms of quality and accuracy of the decent but not great and long-in tooth corgi b-17. corgi and af1 are for all practical purposes the only two manufacturers of 1/72 b-17s. i' and some others have suggested that hobbymaster might do quite well with a new 1/72 b-17, but so far they have not shown any interest in heavier ww2 bombers such as this.

as of this writing, af1 has released i think 2 or 3 b-17s. these are probably more or less still available for sale. corgi's are harder to find - some releases, such as "9-0-9" sell for upwards of $400 these days. however, if you like b-17s and want one in 1/72, i suggest you find a corgi, bearing in mind that thoses also vary considerably in quality and accuracy.

corgi's 447th bg b-17 is "a bit o lace", the same one AF1 would later do. corgi's is definitely better by quite a ways. unfortunately the corgi 1/72 b-o-l is quite rare and expensive. i'd guess you'd be looking at at least $400 on ebay these days and maybe a bit more.



if you act quick, you might still be able to find this b-17 from corgi, which is a rcent release and in my view is quite nice - "little miss mischief."

that said, there is no doubt that corgi's mould is getting quite old and that a new hobbymaster vesion of this would be better in most respects if they ever get around to making one.
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FortunateSon - thank you very much for your response. The price of the Corgi models will prevent me from getting one. I'm surprised that the quality of the Corgi models varies so much - I would have thought that coming from the same mold (maybe they don't?) all their B-17 would be of equal quality. Due to the fact my father was in the 447th I really want a model representing that group. Maybe I can find a wood TMC or other brand and not worry about the details.


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FortunateSon - Maybe I can find a wood TMC or other brand and not worry about the details.
The mould is more or less the same on all of them, though as time goes on the mould gets a bit worn down and so the model becomes less "tight" over time, or at least so it seems. What differs on corgi models is the quality and accuracy of the paint finish.

The two most popular corgi models as far as US B-17s go (i'll leave the non-US ones alone) are

- Nine-o-Nine
- Bit o Lace

if you want a 447th bird, i see one on us ebay now for $279 "or best offer" with free shipping. you might want to give that one a good thing through. there's another one for 250. you might want to offer the first one $200 or a bit more and see if he goes for it.

ones to avoid are "sweet and lovely" and the "8th air force set" both of which suffer from a wrong overall color (theirs is like a candy apple green).

i'd stay away from the wood stuff. it's worth the money to get the corgi even if it's a bit older as it's a good model and you can take it out and play with it. plus, corgi ones generally have crewmembers installed which give the model some life.

or you can wait until the next manufacturer does a 1/72 B-17. as far as i am concerend, i think that HM will eventually get to it as they run out of marquee subjects but it may be still a few years.
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For the price AF1's B17 is excellent value for money.

If you are not an expert on the B17 or a rivet counter you would not know the difference.
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Old 09-06-2018, 01:56 PM   #6
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Thank you both for your comments. I appreciate it.


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Hi, I have one more question regarding the Air Force 1 model. One of the reviews I read on a retailer's site mentioned that the landing gear doesn't fit snugly. Is this enough of an issue to make displaying the model hazardous? Will I notice it if I display the model with the gear down, not on the stand?


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Don't worry Matthew. I have have no problem fitting the wheels.

The thing I like about AF1 is that they have minimal parts to fiddle. For a 65 year old guy I hate fiddling Witty/JC Wings models parts especially the wheels.

Here's a photo of the AF1 B-17 (nine-o-nine) displayed in an Ikea retold shelf.


I paid RM380/USD92 for the model. A Corgi version would cost me RM630/USD154. So cost is a serious consideration.
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kltower (and everyone else) - thank you very much for the information! I really appreciate it. It's about time I honor my father's memory with a model from his group.


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Nine O Nine in 1/200 for $24.95

https://www.flyingmule.com/products/AF-A00147

Bit O Lace in 1/72 for $99.95

https://www.flyingmule.com/products/AF-A00110

Make sure to look at the dimensions of each. the 1/200 is only 4.5" long and 6.25" wide.
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Thank you very much. I'm going to order the Bit O Lace...my father was in the 447th, so I wan an aircraft with it's colors.


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kltower (and everyone else) - thank you very much for the information! I really appreciate it.



It's about time I honor my father's memory with a model from his group.


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My father was in the 447th, so I want an aircraft with it's colors.

Thanks again,
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Hi Matthew,


I'm well late, latching onto this thread & have only just read it for the 1st-time.


I don't know "if" this will interest you at all (?), but I visited Rattlesden, your Father's airfield, back on 20th May 2016.


Whilst I often trapze over old WW.II Bomber-bases, this one WAS an "organised visit"
( I decided to go, as I figured I'd get to see way more than usual )


Was there from early afternoon (1st one there), till around Midnight


Spent most of the time inside the historic WW.II "Control Tower" ('Watch Office')


Did get to walk the whole entire circumference of the base (more knackering than I thought, )


Walked the entire perimeter track, 447th's main runways & dispersals, as well as many 1940's buildings.


A full write-up, with pictures, by the organisers themselves - Click the Link, below




A Walk Through History – Rattlesden Airfield, Suffolk | 8th in the East




The first picture shows the Historic Control Tower - I'm the guy upstairs, seated, in the Lavender polo shirt


I actually took some pix myself (but haven't uploaded them yet, they're on SD cards)


I built the old AIRFIX B.17-G "Bit O' Lace" back around 1969/1970 & have been interested in the 447th ever since, hence the visit.


It's only natural that a diehard B.17 fan would wanna visit where "Bit O' Lace" flew from & lived at, during her missions.


Here's hoping you get to see their link, plus realise that your Dad & his 447th comrades ARE NOT forgotten here in England.




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Hornchurch - thank you very much for your post and link. I wish I was able to tour the base, too! I really appreciate your very touching comment in the last line of your post.


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Corgi Bit of Lace is both hard to find and expensive. Took me almost 2 years to find mine, however the last B-17 they released "Little Miss Mischief" is a good buy too.

They just announced "FLAK EATER" which is...meh. I'll probably skip.
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I'm going to order the Bit O Lace...my father was in the 447th, so I wan an aircraft with it's colors.
Matthew there is one right now on eBay (seller name is: donley_auctions) but you got to bid on it first! it's the Corgi version, if you don't want it & you don't mind than i will get it for myself!
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Corgi Bit of Lace is both hard to find and expensive. Took me almost 2 years to find mine, however the last B-17 they released "Little Miss Mischief" is a good buy too.

They just announced "FLAK EATER" which is...meh. I'll probably skip.
Why do you consider the Flak Eater, “meh”? It looks pretty good to me from the online pics. Is it the paint job that doesn’t thrill? Considering the prices of previous Corgis this might be worth a consider. I mean, the mold is just as good, right? To me, that’s the most important thing, anyway.
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Well,...there is nothing particularly historic about the aircraft, with 28 missions.

From a Corgi B17 perspective, its the first 305th BG B17 by Corgi,......and its the second 8th Air Force NMF B17 by Corgi. A "Bit 'O' Lace" is the first (I am not counting "Little Miss Mischief").

Clearly the chin teeth is was Corgi is banking on for a sale.
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Well,...there is nothing particularly historic about the aircraft, with 28 missions.

From a Corgi B17 perspective, its the first 305th BG B17 by Corgi,......and its the second 8th Air Force NMF B17 by Corgi. A "Bit 'O' Lace" is the first (I am not counting "Little Miss Mischief").

Clearly the chin teeth is was Corgi is banking on for a sale.
Hmm, point taken. I don’t have any B-17s and I would like a Corgi 1/72, preferably the Bit O Lace. But those prices...
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Hmm, point taken. I don’t have any B-17s and I would like a Corgi 1/72, preferably the Bit O Lace. But those prices...
Yeah mate. Look, the Pooch 1:72 B17G is a pretty good tooling. There is certainly nothing wrong with the release. Not every release has to have a 100 mission bomber or be crewed by a famous actor.

It has cool markings and a BG that has not been released yet in 1:72.

I want a USAAF 8th Air Force NMF B17 in my Hanger. This will likely be it, if its finished well by Corgi.

Its a good release,....and for the price, absolutely nothing wrong with it at all.
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Here is the Revell plastic built version of this famous B-17G A Bit-O-lace in the first video!

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They just announced "FLAK EATER" which is...meh.


I'll probably skip.

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Why do you consider the Flak Eater, “meh”?


It looks pretty good to me .


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Not every release has to have a 100 mission bomber

It has cool markings and a Bomb Group that has not been released yet in 1:72.

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Well said Chris', well said mate.


Sad really, if only folks were more well clued-in.


Folks who've been into kits as well as diecast, long-term, will already be made FULLY aware...


Over the last 25-30 years, the Boeing B.17 market (8th A.F), has been absolutely SATURATED with the 91st Bomb Group.


Metaphorically, you can't even 'walk', without tripping-up over YET ANOTHER 91st B.G machine.


Take your damn pick....


"9-0-9", "Mount N' Ride", "Outhouse Mouse", "Wee Willie", "Little Miss Mischief", "2nd Patches", "Chowhound", etc, etc, etc.


Many folks would moan & say (like), "F.F.S. Not YET ANOTHER 91st Bomb Group"


Followed by, "Aren't/Weren't there ANY other Bomb Groups in the 8th Air Force ?"
(Northern E.T.O)


Same went for the mass 'over-saturation' of the 357th F.G Mustangs.


Same thing yet again when the "mass saturation" of "Jolly Rogers" took place.


Most folks in life LIKE that thing called "variety" - NOT "same old, same old, same old"




Personally, I think it's a VERY welcome change & NOT going down the same old well trodden path.




Pretty gutted that THEY & other "Decal Sheet" makers continue to overlook MY personal fave' B.17


The (truly), amazing 305th Bomb Group B.17 "Leading Lady" did 133 missions...


Here she is, in her final days, at Kingman, Arizona - (so sad & forlorn)





Quite some large achievement for an 8th A.F Boeing B.17 (along with the likes of "Ol' Gappy & her staggering 157 mission tally).


Yeah, high-scoring "centenarian" B.17's, both of them, ALWAYS overlooked !!!!!!!


But I guess it's because they have "Bland & Boring Nose Artwork", so they stay overlooked.


In my view, this N.M.F release you guys are talking about WILL make a most welcome change.


( plus, it'll represent the typical 'average' B.17 that also served & flew combat, instead on the typical "centenarians" )





https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.c...ad.php?t=26028




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Wow, I understood about 12% of the above post. Sorry, l guess I’m not as avid and knowledgeable a collector as most here, so a lot of the jargon just goes over my head. Like what does NMF mean? I dunno. Shrug.
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Why do you consider the Flak Eater, “meh”? It looks pretty good to me from the online pics. Is it the paint job that doesn’t thrill? Considering the prices of previous Corgis this might be worth a consider. I mean, the mold is just as good, right? To me, that’s the most important thing, anyway.
Two reasons

I don't like the all NMF look to it. Its just too bland, too vanilla. You look at "A Bit of Lace", "Little Miss Mischief" or even "Sentimental Journey" they are far more cheerful.

Secondly as LFT stated, this bird has no history to it, no record of note, no story, no famous celebrity or pilot. Its just one example of thousands built. I like the name she was given, but that's not enough to justify its purchase.

I call it "meh" because there is nothing particularly distinguishing about it.

I am looking for Early versions of B-17s, I already own 2 'G' I am looking for a 'F' or earlier.
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Wow, I understood about 12% of the above post. Sorry, l guess I’m not as avid and knowledgeable a collector as most here, so a lot of the jargon just goes over my head. Like what does NMF mean? I dunno. Shrug.
When I first joined the forums years ago, I had very little knowledge of the type of stuff Hornchurch used to talk about.

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You get used to it (and Hornchurch's rather interesting writing style,...if he continues to post here) and the more you learn, the more you contribute and the more fun the forums is to be a part of.
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Wow, I understood about 12% of the above post. Sorry, l guess I’m not as avid and knowledgeable a collector as most here, so a lot of the jargon just goes over my head. Like what does NMF mean? I dunno.


Please accept my apologies for not having explained it


Thankfully, U.F. did - It's a standard term, esp' when distinguishing B.24's & B.17's


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Well,...there is nothing particularly historic about the aircraft, with 28 missions.



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Just to point-out Chris, that Halifax W.1048 = FLEW ONLY ONE MISSION !!!!!!!


'W.1048' = "is" considered "Historic", as would be ANY 'Tokyo-Raider' B.25 Mitchell.


(All above, being "one mission only" birds, yet folks flock to buy them...)




That 'Flak Eater' SURVIVED 28 missions, is still an achievement, even if not "Historic"



Don't shoot the messenger - Just sayin'




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I don't like the all NMF look to it. Its just too bland,


You look at "A Bit of Lace", "Little Miss Mischief" or even "Sentimental Journey" they are far more cheerful.

Secondly as LFT stated, this bird has no history to it, no record of note, no story, no famous celebrity or pilot. Its just one example of thousands built. I like the name she was given, but that's not enough to justify its purchase.


(Thirdly)
I call it "meh" because there is nothing particularly distinguishing about it.
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Point # 1 = It's all subjective & I understand YOUR point about it's visual "blandness


Point # 2 = Why, oh WHY does it HAVE to have 'mission/CELEB/War-Hero' status FFS ?


Isn't ANY WW.II combatant who sticks their neck "on the chopping block" worthy ??????



To do so for 28-missions, over Germany (& held territory), impresses me, if not you.



It's subjective, but the average 'grunt', B.G, or aircrew DO deserve representation.



Not all of us want a poncy whining Chuck "Look at ME, my $heeet don't stink) Yeager a/c



I'd also disagree on your 3rd point, because I fear you (may have), missed mine, further-up.


91st B.G (Bassingbourn) a/c simply ARE more common than Dog-$heeet on a trail.




The simple fact that, AT LAST, Corgi have chosen A DIFFERENT BOMB GROUP, sets it apart.


Some of us (out there), actually DO appreciate a mundane (hero) crew, PLUS A WORKHORSE '17




Honestly man, I "do" respect your views, but am clearly at loggerheads/odds with your outlook.


I want to explain this next-bit, without sounding patronizing or offensive...


(trust me, it's not meant that way in the slightest)


One man's meat, is another man's poison, so the old saying goes....
(& plz, NO stupid sexual innuendos from those of you, tittering !)



Speaking personally, as one who was making AIRFIX models in the late 1960's...

Also, as one who has been an IPMS member, in past decades....

Also, as one who has had close bond & access to national modelling mecca stocks (Hannants)


Also, as one who has been buying aftermarket decal-sheets, for 30+ years...



I'm GLAD, so very damn GLAD, when a major company brings out an 'Also Ran'



Perhaps it's just the jaded B'strd in me, that thinks....


"Christ, NOT ANOTHER guy who'll ONLY accept 'famous/noteworthy/celeb' etc aircraft".



Do you KNOW how TIRESOME it is, when for the 98th time, I see another (f--king) "OLD CROW" P.51 ?


Or YET ANOTHER "Bit O' Lace", or "Jolly Rogers" F.14 ?




Frankly, I'm TIRED of the same old 'bull-$heeet' being released, time, time, time again.



There ARE a 'Gazillion' other schemes (all a/c & units), not yet tapped, not yet done.



BRING ON THE UNSUNG HEROES IN 'WORKHORSE' A/C, THAT STUCK THEIR NECK ON THE BLOCK.


It's called "variety" & frankly, it makes a damn change - THAT's what makes 'Flak-Eater' unique AND WORTHY


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Just to point-out Chris, that Halifax W.1048 = FLEW ONLY ONE MISSION !!!!!!!


'W.1048' = "is" considered "Historic", as would be ANY 'Tokyo-Raider' B.25 Mitchell.

(All above, being "one mission only" birds, yet folks flock to buy them...)

That 'Flak Eater' SURVIVED 28 missions, is still an achievement, even if not "Historic"

Don't shoot the messenger - Just sayin'

I completely agree with you Geezer. Perhaps I should elaborated more,......I am referring to its capacity to sell, compared to whats gone before it and whats to come.

W.1048 took part in the Tirpitz attack and was famously recovered. Its also,...still the only "sprout" turreted and nose turreted that has been released by Corgi.

Compare the uniqueness and story of W.1048 and Flak Eater.

My comments were not directed at the aircrafts service or brave crew that flew them. Just on whether it will sell or not. Historic,...in Diecast terms does have quite a fair bit of weight.

But,...as I noted in this thread earlier (which you also noted) it does have some decent artwork and it represents a BG that has not been represented by Corgi Diecast yet.

We will see. Not sure the teeth lends itself to a B17G,...but who knows?

I guess from my perspective,.....I am very keen on a NMF 8th Air Force B17G. But this one has not really got me too excited. Well see if I am the odd man out.

Great to see you in this place again "Geezer".
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I completely agree with you Geezer. Perhaps I should elaborated more,......I am referring to its capacity to sell, compared to whats gone before it and whats to come.


Hands down, gotta agree with you - capacity, sales wise, I guess 'Flak-Eater' may not sell as well.

Of course, the other 'alternative', is that AF.1 thing, which is not really a match.

As the only 'current' release B.17, I still think 'Flak-Eater' will be a quiet slow-seller.

But sell, it will, eventually - just that folks won't be tripping over themselves, to buy it.



W.1048 took part in the Tirpitz attack and was famously recovered.

Its also,...still the only "sprout" turreted and nose turreted that has been released by Corgi.


W.1048 is still, since 1973/74, "THE" only Merlin/Sprout/Early Halibag' that any mere human (save, Norwegian divers ), can cast or set their eyes upon.

That, plus it's one of THE main centrepieces in the RAFM & important City of London, will always ensure sales.


Compare the uniqueness and story of W.1048 and Flak Eater.


You got me there mate ; No comparison, no equation ; W.1048 wins hands down

My comments were not directed at the aircrafts service or brave crew that flew them. Just on whether it will sell or not. Historic,...in Diecast terms does have quite a fair bit of weight.


Fair call, my apologies - I was trying to couterbalance MMR.Marsh's arguments.

In other words mate, I "don't" see Flak-Eater as just "Meh"


Sales-wise, it's pretty evident that another W.1048 type, would fly off the shelf/shelves, BUT, given that Corgi's 1/72 Boeing B.17, is STILL pretty-much, the ONLY serious DIECAST B.17 contender in town.... it prob' won't be available, in 12-18-months time, from now.



But,...as I noted in this thread earlier (which you also noted) it does have some decent artwork and it represents a BG that has not been represented by Corgi Diecast yet.



That in itself, is it's strong selling point.

Not everyone wants 'gaudy & flash'

Not everyone is dissatisfied if it's NOT a centinarian, OR, flown by some well-known bozo

Some hardcore B.17 and 8th Air-Force enthusiasts, LIKE have other Bomb Groups represented.

Not eveyone on this planet WANTS a 34th or 68th copy, of YET another 91st B.G.

Fact remains that there WERE more N.M.F. Boeing B.17's by war's end.

N.M.F needs representation, too.

What I hadn't told you was - That 'Flak-Eater' had already been researched FOR AIRFIX.

AIRFIX & HORNBY thesedays being under THE same stable, it's inevitable they'll share research.

Guaranteed that they'll use (share) a same warbird a/c scheme, given same parent company.



We will see. Not sure the teeth lends itself to a B17G,...but who knows?


Am I right in recalling - Didn't the 99th B.G (15th A.F), B.17, "2nd Patches" have a sharkmouth ????

Plain artwork, VERY simple (non-dramatic scheme) = Sold well, IIRC.

From recollection, still sells well & "is in demand" on the secondhand market.

From everything I've ever read on Corgi's B.17, isn't it considered one of the best ?

I guess from my perspective,.....I am very keen on a NMF 8th Air Force B17G.

But this one has not really got me too excited.

We'll see if I am the odd man out.

I don't think you are mate - I guess others like MMRMarsh ARE indifferent towards it.

The mere fact that it's 8th Air-Force will guarantee it sells, eventually.

Let's face it - It'll never set the world alight, sales wise.

It'll NEVER be "THE" Corgi Boeing B.17 in the highest demand.

I see it as the diecast equiv' of the 'Barton Halifax'....

It's there, it's available, yet eventually, it'll sell-out.

With the prices for other '17's high (2nd-hand), it might be THE only game in town.

If YOU were new to the game, which 1/72 diecast B.17 would YOU want ?

A gaudy 447th 'Bit O'l Lace' from AF.1 - (with all it's inaccurcies)

Or a far better executed (but seemeingly bland), NMF 'sleeper', like Flak Eater ?


Great to see you in this place again "Geezer".


Many, many thanks upon the return-welcome, man.

I've not frequented here for some time, vemtured-back, thought I'd drop-in.

I see the military-section is mostly for "sharp-pointy-things-fans".

It's just nice to bask-back once in a while, for me, to more familiar WW.II subjects.**

** the very things that got me into & interested in aircraft, in the first place...

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