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Old 07-06-2018, 12:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The hoax on HM producing a McDonnell F3H-2 Demon was a good one.

Judging by the responses (over two forums) not many collectors are excited about the Demon. So I can conclude that William will never ever going to produce one.

But how about a Cutlass? I think it looks cute. And a few plastic manus had produce it in the 60s.







I really like the very high angled front landing gear.
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Sorry no... a total waste of material
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Rather have a FJ-4 Fury
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It definitely was not a voluntary choice of the Blues.....

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Between the Skyray, Demon, Cutless and Fury, I would prefer a Demon. None of them have an outstanding career but the Demon looks nicer and I think carries more weapons ?
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Of the four, Fury, Banshee, Cutless and Demon, I guess Fury has the best chance of being made.

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Fury is too similar to Sabre. Cougar ?



My pick for a Demon would be these two, with preference towards Black Aces.


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As a collector of types, I don't mind getting any/all fours.
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If they were made I'd buy one of each type. There's quite a lot of scope for a collection of crap American jets produced during the Korean/ Cold War "order it before its even flown" panic.

Do I think a gutless is a good business idea? Absolutely not.
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It’s gonna be hard for HM to market models that individual collectors are wildly enthusiastic about purchasing exactly one of, the Vigilante for example. Same deal with the several Russian types showing up. Apparently nice renderings of capable aircraft, “I’ll take EXACTLY ONE, thank you.” These aren’t Mustangs, or Phantoms, or Spits that we’re talking about, and the demand simply isn’t there, and certainly not in “the century-plus range,” over $100.
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As a collector of types, I don't mind getting any/all fours.
Ordinarily I’d do the same but these early types that weren’t around long, never saw action and had little impact so they aren’t as appealing.

And early USN/USAF seem to be Falcon Models thing and look what happened to them

But if HM were to make these (fat chance), I would like these schemes and these schemes only, which sez it all about easily types, they just wouldn’t sell that well.




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If I may call these types of less glamorous careers...one off's.....for 1/72 Diecast I would favor the FJ-3 VF-84 Jolly Rogers ....... Notice (Zoom in) the lead plane has JR stripes on both wing tips....that would be the specific scheme to make.

And I would not turn down a Blues F7U even though they were dogs of a plane and lasted only one show season.

I agree HM would not attempt one off's.... whereas Falcon might have.

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Maybe Skymax can be reborn doing early jets then. I don't Falcon had issues with the models as much as leadership of the company.
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Maybe Skymax can be reborn doing early jets then..
Ya know Shawn ...that's not a bad idea ..... Reviving SkyMax for oddball planes maybe enticing to William. Perhaps you contact him and propose it?

I've been trying to get him to do a F9 Cougar...for the longest time....so I can finish out my Blue Angels and also add to my JR's.....but no luck....the SkyMax brand angle may work though.

Go for it....since its you idea

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Ya know Shawn ...that's not a bad idea ..... Reviving SkyMax for oddball planes maybe enticing to William. Perhaps you contact him and propose it?

I've been trying to get him to do a F9 Cougar...for the longest time....so I can finish out my Blue Angels and also add to my JR's.....but no luck....the SkyMax brand angle may work though.

Go for it....since its you idea

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It’s gonna be hard for HM to market models that individual collectors are wildly enthusiastic about purchasing exactly one of, the Vigilante for example. Same deal with the several Russian types showing up. Apparently nice renderings of capable aircraft, “I’ll take EXACTLY ONE, thank you.” These aren’t Mustangs, or Phantoms, or Spits that we’re talking about, and the demand simply isn’t there, and certainly not in “the century-plus range,” over $100.
Which ones are you specifically talking about ? MiG-17, MiG-25, Su-25, Su-34 ? If that is the case, I agree with you, none of those I would get more then 2 or 3 of.

Vigi, Prowler, Viking and T-38 are then good examples of non soviet models that haven’t done well and/or collectors just need one of.

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If they were made I'd buy one of each type. There's quite a lot of scope for a collection of crap American jets produced during the Korean/ Cold War "order it before its even flown" panic.

Do I think a gutless is a good business idea? Absolutely not.
Exactly, ppl can post long lists of schemes but whose going to buy them all At best ppl are going to get 1 model for the novelty of a complete USN theme.

I even considered a theme of craptastic AC when Falcon where doing Sabre Dogs and T-Birds but your “USN Panic theme” sounds much more tempting because of the whacky designs.

Of all those, I’d prefer a Demon, Skyray and Banshee.
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Which ones are you specifically talking about ? MiG-17, MiG-25, Su-25, Su-34 ? If that is the case, I agree with you, none of those I would get more then 2 or 3 of.

It's not just the type, but also the $$$. I can be as tempted to go for multiples as anyone else...if the price is right. So, I might purchase several MiG-15 at $50, but will balk at them when they go "century+" in USD.


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I bought two prowlers, one in high-vis and another in lo. Same deal with the Viking. I might buy a T-38 when they come out with a definitive training scheme (like 90% of them were painted in).


I started out intending to collect HM Corsairs. The two-position wing deal didn't bother me, but the mess with the drop-tank configuration, I think that they've only got like two of them right out of all those models, really cheesed me off. Then there was the steadfast refusal of HM to provide any ordnance, rockets and bombs. Finally, they have painted the landing-gear and wheel-wells wrong on EVERY ONE of the darned things. Anyway, I bailed after perhaps ten of them and regret tying up my money in the darn things.


And here's the point of that last paragraph...


IMO, the real money in a mold for a company is getting collectors hooked on the model in question and selling them multiples. As examples, CW did it with their F-14 model and HM with it's P-51. However, the maker has to put a little effort into the deal, as with those same two examples. When they get into straight knockoffs that are rife with errors, they stand to lose the same collectors that sustain them. That's what happened with me and the Corsair. Instead of dealing with items like accurate paint and external stores, they simply say "good enough," and frequently move on to molds that collectors are gonna collect one of (if it's a good model). Very strange decision making, there. Lots of luck, fellas.
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It's not just the type, but also the $$$. I can be as tempted to go for multiples as anyone else...if the price is right. So, I might purchase several MiG-15 at $50, but will balk at them when they go "century+" in USD.
Yep that’s what I did. Because HM refused to do Soviet models other then the MiG-15/21, I ended up getting a lot of multiples of those (8 and 15 respectfully) when they were cheaper, now there both over $100 and quality looks pretty average since the start of the PFM’s, I haven’t felt the need to buy anymore.

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I bought two prowlers, one in high-vis and another in lo. Same deal with the Viking. I might buy a T-38 when they come out with a definitive training scheme (like 90% of them were painted in).
And is that all you will get now ? 1 low and 1 hi viz scheme ? I personality only wanted hi-viz USN schemes so I was done after I got the Topcats Viking and Ravens Prowler, those where the exact schemes I was after since both moulds were announced because I knew I’d just get one so I researched what were the best schemes for those and would wait till that exact scheme was out. Almost got the exact Vigi I wanted too but HM messed up the spelling luckily I had panicked abit about the vigi mould dying off after 3-4 releases so I got the Howt Owls vigi, now that’s it for all 3 moulds.

Again I too am just after 1 T-38 release, in my case it’s ROCAF. I could get the Falcon Models release but I’d rather wait for HM to do one.

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I started out intending to collect HM Corsairs. The two-position wing deal didn't bother me, but the mess with the drop-tank configuration, I think that they've only got like two of them right out of all those models, really cheesed me off. Then there was the steadfast refusal of HM to provide any ordnance, rockets and bombs. Finally, they have painted the landing-gear and wheel-wells wrong on EVERY ONE of the darned things. Anyway, I bailed after perhaps ten of them and regret tying up my money in the darn things.
Never knew the Corsairs had so many problems. I actually avoided getting a 2nd (originally wanted both types of canopy) but hated the perm flaps down part about a few of them. Then there’s the boring P-47 releases and 10 kinds of early Hurricane and more Chinese Stags ? I don’t think the first one ever sold out and Chinese collectors don’t like bigger scales, go figure.

Now I’m at the point where after years of waiting for a nice blue engine cowling and canopy Razorback Jugg with great nose art, a competently done Bf-109 and a desert camo tank busting Hurricane, I give up on that theme.

In the last year I’ve passed up more new release models then bought, Scooters with wrong mould used, Bf-109’s with poorly executed schemes, Floggers with completely wrong colours, silver MiG-19s with miss matched silver tails, for the cockpit to be fixed on a Soviet Frogfoot release and then moulds I’m still waiting on for the scheme I’m after for the F-117, Super Bug and Flankers

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And here's the point of that last paragraph...

IMO, the real money in a mold for a company is getting collectors hooked on the model in question and selling them multiples. As examples, CW did it with their F-14 model and HM with it's P-51. However, the maker has to put a little effort into the deal, as with those same two examples. When they get into straight knockoffs that are rife with errors, they stand to lose the same collectors that sustain them. That's what happened with me and the Corsair. Instead of dealing with items like accurate paint and external stores, they simply say "good enough," and frequently move on to molds that collectors are gonna collect one of (if it's a good model). Very strange decision making, there. Lots of luck, fellas.
Spot on and I’m sure that was the idea some 10 years ago, it’s why we see some awesomely huge HM Spook or massive Century Wings F-14 collections out there. Now those prices were always going to sky rocket at some point but it’s the decrease in accuracy and quality that’s a concern and what makes collectors pass on models they were planning to get. Even that Ukr digi Frogfoot, multiple errors aside, just the lack of stencils on a heavily marked aircraft is enough to pass on it TBH when Calibre may do one with stencils and weathering, gonna cost $100 more on top of HM’s release but when your just buying 1 or 2 models per a type, you want the best possible model.

Quality over quantity is what I think we are all after these days.
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Not for me. I hope that some manufacturers will stay and will concentrate on the Russian types. For instance a nice "Backfire".
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Of the four, Fury, Banshee, Cutless and Demon, I guess Fury has the best chance of being made.


I'd love all of them (and F3H too, BTW), but as chances of seeing them someday are next to none, I'll build them myself. And if they're wrong I could only blame myself...
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Before any of those get done, I’d like to see HM do a Fulcrum, Intruder and Corsair II.
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I'd love Hobby Mastrer to do a Cutlass in 1:48 scale. Cool looking unique aircraft.

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For those waiting or wanting a Diecast F7U-# in a scale of your liking.....perhaps a plastic model will do for now as a place holder.....below is a link to a comprehensive list of Manu's, scales and other things related to the search of a F7U.

Some of these models listed have Manu timelines (click on Full History).....it's interesting to see branch off's to other Manu's which I believe represents the buying, selling, or leasing of moulds.

(Disregard the first line item FJ-4 Fury)

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The Cutlass was a pretty dreadful excuse for a carrier aircraft. Among naval aviators it was best known for this sort of thing:


For more, Google “F7U ramp strike.”
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The Cutlass was a pretty dreadful excuse for a carrier aircraft. Among naval aviators it was best known for this sort of thing:


For more, Google “F7U ramp strike.”
being terrible aircraft, such as the F102, Mitsubishi F-2, or Avro Arrow, never stopped models from being made before (ducks for cover).
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Ya know Shawn ...that's not a bad idea ..... Reviving SkyMax for oddball planes maybe enticing to William. Perhaps you contact him and propose it?

I've been trying to get him to do a F9 Cougar...for the longest time....so I can finish out my Blue Angels and also add to my JR's.....but no luck....the SkyMax brand angle may work though.

Go for it....since its you idea

Good luck....

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Always had a thing for the F9F. For a USN 50s bird it served longer than most and for a early swept wing fighter it had some grace. Ideally, the tooling would need to be easily modified to the TF9J,...then you have a couple of Marine Corps Vietnam Cougers who conducted FAC in two Marine Corps SQNs operating out of Chu Lai and Da Nang 66-68.
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Always had a thing for the F9F. For a USN 50s bird it served longer than most and for a early swept wing fighter it had some grace. Ideally, the tooling would need to be easily modified to the TF9J,...then you have a couple of Marine Corps Vietnam Cougers who conducted FAC in two Marine Corps SQNs operating out of Chu Lai and Da Nang 66-68.
Agreed. However, let's be really honest - neither the HM 1/48 nor Falcon 1/72 panthers were that great (both suffered from intake issues at minimum, with the falcon effort looking like the guy working on the model just fell asleep when he got to the intakes). I'd love to see a skymax quality cougar.
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Agreed. However, let's be really honest - neither the HM 1/48 nor Falcon 1/72 panthers were that great (both suffered from intake issues at minimum, with the falcon effort looking like the guy working on the model just fell asleep when he got to the intakes). I'd love to see a skymax quality cougar.
For a first 1:48 jet tooling,...it was all a bit odd and surprising.

Still I have two of them and as part of a 1:48 Korean War theme, with FM's F86s,...….they look great.

Still need a USAF Mustang though for my 1:48 Korean theme.
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Still need a USAF Mustang though for my 1:48 Korean theme.
the hobbymaster one is probably my model of the year 2018 and i don't say that lightly. it's superb.

that said, we can probably safeloy expect something like the tamiya one



at some point if you prefer that one.
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I'd love to see a skymax quality cougar.
It's a given that I would buy these to add to my BA and JR theme's....SkyMax 1/72 these HM .... please.....

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