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Old 06-27-2018, 07:45 PM   #1
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Reposting this so collectors know what to expect if they ever get a defective model from Calibre.

It would be nice if they put their attention to better QC checking or packaging rather then chuck tantrums on the internet about their faulty product.

Also when is the Su-24 out....... ? 2 years and still waiting




I suppose these aren’t defective either That’ll just buff right out

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Reposting this so collectors know what to expect if they ever get a defective model from Calibre.

It would be nice if they put their attention to better QC checking or packaging rather then chuck tantrums on the internet about their faulty product.

Also when is the Su-24 out....... ? 2 years and still waiting
I suppose these aren’t defective either That’ll just buff right out
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Ah yes yes ..... And let us not forget this memorable quote and complete interview from Noel of Calibre.....

"CW: I think the name I chose for the company depicts our vision. We want to produce models of exquisite quality. I want to be able to deliver something as close to a great looking plastic model as possible. The kind that attracts the attention of passers-by peering down at a model shop's display showcase. At Calibre, it is not just about making a product. It is about creating a finished model. You can make your bed, you can make breakfast or make up a story to impress someone. But to create, it takes more. To create is to put your heart and soul into it. You create a masterpiece, you don't make one. You create a symphony, you do not make one."

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Ah yes yes ..... And let us not forget this memorable quote and complete interview from Noel of Calibre.....

"CW: I think the name I chose for the company depicts our vision. We want to produce models of exquisite quality. I want to be able to deliver something as close to a great looking plastic model as possible. The kind that attracts the attention of passers-by peering down at a model shop's display showcase. At Calibre, it is not just about making a product. It is about creating a finished model. You can make your bed, you can make breakfast or make up a story to impress someone. But to create, it takes more. To create is to put your heart and soul into it. You create a masterpiece, you don't make one. You create a symphony, you do not make one."

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Calibre need to put their zinc where their mouth is!

The public tantrum is really not smart given how big a game they talked compared to what they actually deliver (the tantrum itself kind of reminds me of their disgraced champions - AC$**t, PBRStreetMuppet et al - who now haunt CS3, both in how lame it is and how easily it seems to have been triggered...): promising the world then crying because a customer who is quite validly disappointed is not the act of a decent company, let alone one which legitimately aspires to excellence.

I am actually glad they are releasing very few models in which I have any interest as it spares me the need to weigh up whether I want to roll those QC dice or not. Let’s face it: they seem to be pretty loaded against collectors
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Reposting this so collectors know what to expect if they ever get a defective model from Calibre.

It would be nice if they put their attention to better QC checking or packaging rather then chuck tantrums on the internet about their faulty product.

Also when is the Su-24 out....... ? 2 years and still waiting




I suppose these aren’t defective either That’ll just buff right out

You conveniently leave out pertinent parts of the story but of course, I wouldn't expect you to be objective or unbiased.

The fact is this dude agreed to a resolution, Noel came through on his part and now the guy files a paypal dispute after they resolved the issue. This is also not the first time he's tried to get free models and a refund from Noel. In my book, that makes him a d-bag in my book and he deserves public ridicule.

Ernest Amiri Babaroodi aka Ernie A Smith agreeing to their resolution and paying Noel as part of their resolution



Ernie A Smith then files a complaint with Paypal to get the money he voluntarily paid Noel in order to get a model and get the refund.

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You conveniently leave out pertinent parts of the story but of course, I wouldn't expect you to be objective or unbiased.

The fact is this dude agreed to a resolution, Noel came through on his part and now the guy files a paypal dispute after they resolved the issue. In my book, that makes him a d-bag in my book and he deserves public ridicule.



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I think we are all abit sick of the hype and narcissistic tantrums and just want to see the final product on shelves. There has to be a product to buy in the first place in order to decide if it’s garbage or not

And the c*** smoking fanboys on Facebook just seem to help inflate Calibre’s ego. I often wonder if they pay people to post such suck up nonsense, it all seems abit put on to generate hype or fake reviews, certainly never heard this much noise when HM started out and they were probably doing something more revolutionary then what Calibre are doing, oh yay, duplicated schemes for both the F-14 and probably F-16 as well... yay
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Actually in my original thread, I called that guy out as probably being a d-bag.

I think you are missing the point, it was the denial that the model is defective that is of concern.

And when you talk up a big game as Noel did, ppl aren’t going expect the sort of garbage like file marks or issues with the nose (not the first time we’ve seen this) or missing stands or missing weapons...
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Old 06-28-2018, 12:20 PM   #8
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I’ve got a VF-142 model still in the crate. I only own two other f-14, a CW 1/72 and a 1/144. If anyone is interested in what it looks like, I could take some pics. I’m not a photographer, but I’m willing to take pics of what’s in the box. If there’s an area of concern that deserves focus, let me know and I’ll try and cook up the images.

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Who else isn’t a fan of the way the Su-24 is being packaged ? I believe adding extra parts to the model just to save space on the shell just means more chances for handling QC issues at the factory, not to mention the gear parts bouncing around the model if they are loose.

Also means added chances the collector could break or damage something while trying to take these parts off.

I don’t know why they would add more handling to the process rather then just putting all those particular parts in a little bag like HM does.
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Old 06-28-2018, 10:43 PM   #10
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well, piecemeal i say you say ain't gonna help clarify the situation and no, monsieur uf isn't the only one seemingly being biased here. what was the resolution? from the scrappy bits that we have been fed, the unhappy buyer requested for a replacement and the replacement came out short also? be that as it may, this is a seller-buyer dispute and personally i do feel that it's very unprofessional for a company to call out a customer in such a manner. if the buyer had already agreed to a resolution and subsequently made a refund claim via paypal, why doesn't noel resort to paypal's dispute resolution mechanism? enclose the correspondence and let paypal decide the best course of action.
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Came across this on the internet. It would seem someone has already beaten Calibre when it comes to fantasy models and this one being transformable makes Calibres an expensive paper weight


Apparently zinc, can transform into 3 modes, has working lights and extra pieces to interchange.
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yes, that's one of the robotech/macross manufacturers that unashamedly call themselves a toy design company, and this will be their inaugural 72 scale foray. not entirely diecast (so no, not an ideal paperweight), but going by the term "metal content" in the toy industry, that would probably mean robust joints and some other bits. not sure whether it all adds up to over 70% though


besides all the bells and whistles (yes, transformable with led lighting), they do also offer the model with the fast pack (robotech/macross fans will know what that means), at a premium, of course. i've got mine on pre-order and will post pics when it arrives (eta end 2018).
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If I had to, I’d rather get a transformable fantasy model then a fantasy paper weight.
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If I had to, I’d rather get a transformable fantasy model then a fantasy paper weight.

the macross tomcats are fantasy models, the macross valkyries are, as far as i can tell, true to the animated series (well, technically, fantasy too). but yeah, macross, like the transformers thereafter, is all about the transformation. calibre wing's attempt at making a trophy valkyrie is at best a materialisation of noel's childhood dreams
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Oh dear... here we go again with the unprofessionalism. Can Noel shut up and get the Fencers out before they get sued and go bust because of this fantasy nonsense




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Came across this on the internet. It would seem someone has already beaten Calibre when it comes to fantasy models and this one being transformable makes Calibres an expensive paper weight


Apparently zinc, can transform into 3 modes, has working lights and extra pieces to interchange.

Needs more stenciling!
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Calibre intrigues me as a company.

Unfortunately when following posts about the manu there are A LOT of opinions, very strong ones at that in both camps. I wish people would be more objective in their feedback and/or comments so it could be easier for a potential buyer to know if it a good model or not, especially with the teething problems they have had on earlier releases.

Personally I don't agree with the public ways of handling these comments as to me it paints the company in an unprofessional light.

I hope they do a Polish Viper justice and if so would love to own one but it seems the fantasy schemes are a priority right now. As UF has said in an earlier post, I hope the fantasy schemes sell well and allow for new moulds and quicker releases of their products.

I guess time will tell.
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Calibre intrigues me as a company.

Unfortunately when following posts about the manu there are A LOT of opinions, very strong ones at that in both camps. I wish people would be more objective in their feedback and/or comments so it could be easier for a potential buyer to know if it a good model or not, especially with the teething problems they have had on earlier releases.

Personally I don't agree with the public ways of handling these comments as to me it paints the company in an unprofessional light.

I hope they do a Polish Viper justice and if so would love to own one but it seems the fantasy schemes are a priority right now. As UF has said in an earlier post, I hope the fantasy schemes sell well and allow for new moulds and quicker releases of their products.

I guess time will tell.

it's not very good pr, that's for sure. but i see monsieur uf's point about getting unnecessarily embroiled in ip issues. hm had more sense to drop their mirages and hueys... and lived to tell the tale. witty found out too late. sure hope calibre learns from others' past mistakes... or at least create an entirely different subsidiary for their imaginarium series.
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it's not very good pr, that's for sure. but i see monsieur uf's point about getting unnecessarily embroiled in ip issues. hm had more sense to drop their mirages and hueys... and lived to tell the tale. witty found out too late. sure hope calibre learns from others' past mistakes... or at least create an entirely different subsidiary for their imaginarium series.
I totally agree with your post tomcatter. Wish we could of seen a HM RAAF Mirage as from what I heard the HM Mirage was a great mould. I guess the licensing issues also explains why we don't see too many Rafale models which if they were, I would own in a heartbeat as I do have a soft spot for that aircraft.

I used to watch Robotech as a kid and I own a Yamato 1/48 & 1/60 Roy Fokker model and that is a bit of fun although PITA to transform from memory. I just think with the litigious nature of Harmony Gold, one would need to ensure the licensing is correctly handled. I remember a recent court case involving the BattleTech PC game and how some of the mechs aka unseen had to be left out due to legal action.

I would hate to see CW go through that sort of litigation, especially for a start up company and a new player in the diecast world.
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I totally agree with your post tomcatter. Wish we could of seen a HM RAAF Mirage as from what I heard the HM Mirage was a great mould. I guess the licensing issues also explains why we don't see too many Rafale models which if they were, I would own in a heartbeat as I do have a soft spot for that aircraft.

I used to watch Robotech as a kid and I own a Yamato 1/48 & 1/60 Roy Fokker model and that is a bit of fun although PITA to transform from memory. I just think with the litigious nature of Harmony Gold, one would need to ensure the licensing is correctly handled. I remember a recent court case involving the BattleTech PC game and how some of the mechs aka unseen had to be left out due to legal action.

I would hate to see CW go through that sort of litigation, especially for a start up company and a new player in the diecast world.

you could look up the mirage and rafale models from the premium x range. monsieur genogenoa posted about them not too long ago here:



https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...lt-1-72-a.html


yups, battletech and warhammer. i have a few of the bandai hi-metal series... in 100th scale. a pita to transform with lots of loose bits left in their respective boxes... but end of day, transformable.



anyway, after that very public bust-up, it looks like calibre has deleted the messages and took the fight offline. i can't seem to find the comments on their fb anymore.
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Those comments were taken down that same day, Noel must have finally woken up that it wasn’t a good idea to publicly admit to not caring about getting proper legal rights to manufacture/promote a licenced product.

Aoshima apparently did a transformable Macross model some years ago, maybe look into that. It doesn’t seem like Calibre are doing anything new in regards to Macross, in fact the opposite.
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Those comments were taken down that same day, Noel must have finally woken up that it wasn’t a good idea to publicly admit to not caring about getting proper legal rights to manufacture/promote a licenced product.

Aoshima apparently did a transformable Macross model some years ago, maybe look into that. It doesn’t seem like Calibre are doing anything new in regards to Macross, in fact the opposite.

"you want to settle it man to man, let's go" ... that was so professional. not!


aoshima did a model kit for the siegfried (aka vf-31j) so that should be way down in your paperweight packing order. comes with a cute figure though, if that's your sort of thing
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"you want to settle it man to man, let's go" ... that was so professional. not!
Or the “we do whatever we want to do” I’m sure that’ll be a good excuse in court when they get sued

We already know how they do whatever they like, like knowing sell defective models

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Anyone who wants to physically fight someone they are arguing with on the Internet is ipso facto an absolute idiot
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Anyone who wants to physically fight someone they are arguing with on the Internet is ipso facto an absolute idiot

perhaps he was under the impression he could strap himself into one of them valkyries...


... and then realise, sh¡t! this valkyrie will not transform for arm-to-arm combat
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Well this line was nice while it lasted.
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Well this line was nice while it lasted.

the imaginarium series? thot noel said "we'll do whatever we want to do"? so they no longer wanna do the imaginarium series?
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the imaginarium series? thot noel said "we'll do whatever we want to do"? so they no longer wanna do the imaginarium series?
If he continues to piss people off. And there is a lawsuit over trademarks, the gig might be up.
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Why don't we just make our own diecast airplanes.....I mean really....how hard could it be???

I'm sure it can be done...I have seen how here....somewhere here is an aircraft manufacturing process.

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I'm sure it can be done...I have seen how here....somewhere here is an aircraft manufacturing process.

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imo tin is one of the easiest metal to work with (low melting point), although not the most durable (soft and pliable). served me well during my early years... and well, if at first you don't succeed, you can always melt it down and start all over again
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imo tin is one of the easiest metal to work with (low melting point), although not the most durable (soft and pliable). served me well during my early years... and well, if at first you don't succeed, you can always melt it down and start all over again
Ya know....this kids (aren't we all at heart) toy can actually be useful if molds were made from ... Plastic 1/72 load out bombs, missiles, accessories etc...then use the molds to make them into ... think of it......Diecast full metal load outs

One drawback would be that you may have to tack glue them to wherever....since they would now be weighted metal and no longer light plastic ones used.

Just a thought for anyone attempting to make your own metal ordinance.

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I sometimes wonder what a fight with someone on the Internet would look like...

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With a recent order, I now have three calibre preorders in the pipeline:

- F-14 "Starfighters" USS America
- F-14 "Tomcatsky"
- Su-24 "Ukraine"

I hope Calibre can buckle down and get these out and done. Whatever drama is going on elsewhere, Calibre is steadily developing into a quality producer of 1/72 jet models and I'd hate to see that derailed by either their own self-created bad publicity or the willingness of the online chattering classes to make mountains out of molehills. and, of course, i think a lot of us would like to see the su-17 (su-22) that they are working on thereafter.
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Calibre are their own worst enemy with the initial defective F-14’s, long delays and openly admitting to licence dodging. I don’t think with all honesty anyone can say what they have done is the bees knees just yet.

Oh yeah... they are apparently doing a Su-22... totally forgot about that with all the Macross updates about shirts....
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Perhaps....this Blog written 05/18 is objective Scorched Earth Toys » Calibre Wings 1/72 F-14 Tomcat Die-cast Metal Models perhaps not...it all depends if your biased or un-biased and on what side of the Calibre Wings fence your on....

Myself...I just find it all entertaining

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I’m on the fence of, less BS hype talk and more putting your money (literallly) where your mouth is and produce what you say you would and at the quality that matches the price your asking for it.

When I see these, I don’t see that happening

Observations from the writer:



My observations:



* Wing glove area still poor quality
* Scratches and overspray on ramp (?) area
* Large nose section gap (admittedly ALL F-14’s have this problem)
* Small antenna hole below cockpit is of poor quality
* Overpray / bleeding on pilot helmets
* Internal controls looks rather rough
* Overspray on gear door
* Major paint defect around nose (possible touch up)
* Major defect to livery near nose (chipped / scratched paint)
* Various scratches over the model


Circled in light red explains how diehard Macross fans might not take this release seriously because it’s maybe too serious for them being an F-14 that has nothing to do with the actual cartoons (?) since they collect toys and collectors of real world aircraft would not consider this either because it is niche and fantasy, so who is this really for ??

Highlighted in bold states issues with licencing, well if your Calibre, you just ignore that
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Old 07-27-2018, 09:54 PM   #38
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I would be remiss if I didn't throw this into the feeding frenzy Yikes!

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File marks starting to appear all over the models now




Apparently the next lot of F-14’s and the Su-24’s are delayed till September... what year is still to be determined.

Going to be even less excuses for defects like this with how much time they’ve had to perfect these models.
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It's almost as if CW doesn't know about the existence of Rotary hand tool accessories kit that wil finely sand and buff etc etc...

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It's almost as if CW doesn't know about the existence of Rotary hand tool accessories kit that wil finely sand and buff etc etc...

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Can you send Noel an Amazon link to one of these

I’ve seen turn of the century cast iron with more finess then Calibre products
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Some people need to get a life. These are toys made in China, what do they expect?
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Good points.....for some this is a life....their sole life or one of many life's as other hobbies are for others. Get A Life usually means to have a life after your basic daily work life....or even during a basic daily retirement life...i.e. extracurricular activities, hobbies...etc. So I would consider collecting "toys" which is a hobby...under the category of Having A Life. And as anybody can attest to, all life's that a person has, has it's own positive and negative criticism's, opinions, etc...generated from being part of a particular life.

Ok....Toys Made in China...fine.

Moving on....with negative criticism of CW's file markings...now proven to be on their models even now continuing.....

Perhaps CW should place warning labels like other toy Manu's on the packaging and contents of their "Toys" so that someone doesn't severe an artery or something

This way they avoid a possibly injury lawsuit....added to some possible future (but not proven or documented) lawsuit for licensing infringement.......

Really...what Start-Up company can survive multiple law suites in its early beginnings? (Rhetorical question)


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I would love to buy a Fencer model but NOT with this kind of issues, no way.
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Can somebody please tell Chinese manufacturers to remove labels like below from their boxes to avoid confusion

FFS Hasbro and Mattel can make better quality products for a fraction of the price, don’t think collectors of expensive detailed scale models are asking for much when they don’t want their $200 model getting handled worse then a Matchbox toy car.


Seriously I don’t think Calibre could take multiple law suits at once st the moment
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Some people need to get a life. These are toys made in China, what do they expect?

That's the thing, they are not toys. Or at least cheap toys for children. They are toys for big boys. Expensive collector's items. And as to these CalWings models, CalWings have made big claims and charge accordingly high prices for their models.


As to the "made in China" bit - everything's made in China these days, from cheap clothes to very expensive electronics and optics equipment. Made in China is no longer a reason for poor quality. What should be used as the criterion for criticism is again the price, which for these models is expensive.


It is incredible that CalWings is releasing models with pathetic file marks all over the model, and overspray seemingly everywhere. I had high hopes for their F-14s and was hoping that they would improve their manufacturing process, but they seem to be going backwards.


I hope Noel realises that he is not doing himself any favors with such poor quality, and that he can improve the method by which the parts are sanded and smoothed at least I won't be getting the 5 Tomcats I put in my wishlist, and I suspect a large percentage of the serious collector community will likewise refuse to buy poor quality models.
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I don't collect military. I can honestly say, that is the worst QC I have seen in 15+ years. I mean huge mistakes. I would be peeved, if I was waiting for these to be released, and this is what showed up.
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If people are ashamed enough to buy chinese toys and need to call them collectible so they feel better, good for them.

But they should not cry rivers for low quality stuff made in China's sweatshops.
Buy what you like and like what you buy should be the motto.

Move back a few feet away from any model and it will look good to anyone
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Hah CBL! I also called them "toys for big boys". Whether they are collectable or not is subjective, but I would argue that expensive models that are meant for display and ideally passing on to the next generation (or sold off) are not mere children's toys. But useless trinkets they are for sure, whether they cost €10 or €10000. For me diecast models are sculptures, little pieces of art. What value does any art have? That is an interesting discussion but I'm not sure this topic is the right place for that.



If your argument is that €150 models (regardless of quality issues) are "low quality stuff" then I'd like to hear what you consider good quality "stuff".


I do agree with you voting with our wallets. As much as I love the Tomcat I have not bought CalWings's F-14 due to the quality issues on the releases so far. And looking at the photos in this topic I am losing hope for the planned releases that I've earmarked.


BY the way if Hobby Master can release models without file marks and overspray what excuse does CalWings have?
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My argument is that regardless of the sale price (not the production price), anything out of China is cheaply made, example are 'collectible' or not toys, gadgets, furniture, clothes... (one exception being high end electronic like the iphones).

Wrt, one should really think about to manufacturing price (vs. sale price here).
If I remember well, a 1/400 was about $10 to produce a couple years ago, should not be very far for a 1/200 or 1/72. At the price range, don't expect much quality. The rest are shipping, distribution and benefits


If one wanted a very well casted, assembled and printed model, then one should expect a manufacturing price in the range of the current sale prices, hence imagine a retail price!

Good quality stuff, some at very reasonable prices can be found in 1/18 car models and trains (especially HO): both are very competitive markets with much higher QC.

Brands like exoto, minichamp, Kato, Atlas or rapido produce fantastic models for a $200-300 retail price. The quality of these is usually spot on.






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Hah CBL! I also called them "toys for big boys". Whether they are collectable or not is subjective, but I would argue that expensive models that are meant for display and ideally passing on to the next generation (or sold off) are not mere children's toys. But useless trinkets they are for sure, whether they cost €10 or €10000. For me diecast models are sculptures, little pieces of art. What value does any art have? That is an interesting discussion but I'm not sure this topic is the right place for that.



If your argument is that €150 models (regardless of quality issues) are "low quality stuff" then I'd like to hear what you consider good quality "stuff".


I do agree with you voting with our wallets. As much as I love the Tomcat I have not bought CalWings's F-14 due to the quality issues on the releases so far. And looking at the photos in this topic I am losing hope for the planned releases that I've earmarked.


BY the way if Hobby Master can release models without file marks and overspray what excuse does CalWings have?
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