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Don't believe anyone is aware of this, hopefully done as a proper CAC Sabre and not a F-86 knock off

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so now that hm is churning out more and more raaf stuff, are we to assume there's an aussie shill out there somewhere?
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We don't need shills to convince manus to make RAAF, our stuff sells, not grow dust on shelves
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We don't need shills to convince manus to make RAAF, our stuff sells, not grow dust on shelves
not by the looks of what's still available at hobbyco
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The profile drawings of the RAAF Sabres look pretty much the same. I do not see a larger intake. Need to see a pre pro front view. RAAF models are popular here in the US....they indeed fought with us in VN , Korea, you name it. Mighty fine people to have around when you need them.
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not by the looks of what's still available at hobbyco
Too expensive when compared to elsewhere in Australia. I can even get RAAF stuff cheaper from UK even with postage included than direct from Hobbyco. They seem ok with other diecast but Australian diecast they push up the prices.

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The profile drawings of the RAAF Sabres look pretty much the same. I do not see a larger intake. Need to see a pre pro front view. RAAF models are popular here in the US....they indeed fought with us in VN , Korea, you name it. Mighty fine people to have around when you need them.
it's no wonder aussies rhyme with mozzies... they're everywhere

p.s. they also fought alongside the brits in asia

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Too expensive when compared to elsewhere in Australia. I can even get RAAF stuff cheaper from UK even with postage included than direct from Hobbyco. They seem ok with other diecast but Australian diecast they push up the prices.
strangely, that's what having "exclusive" distributors do. they assume they have monopoly over a particular brand and raise prices indiscriminately... and there's really nothing much the manufacturers can do. such distributors hardly contribute to selling the brand anyway and if anything, damages the brand instead. but hobbymaster being hobbymaster, they kinda close one eye to such practices of their loyal distributors. but with commerce going global via the internet, that business model will be going the way of the dodo pretty soon.
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Looking forward to the No 79 Sqn one especially, just hope they make the effort with the mould.
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When is it due?
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When is it due?
March 2018, from all other Aust retailers once they get it from HC, June
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Looking forward to the No 79 Sqn one especially, just hope they make the effort with the mould.
i have my doubts. that's quite a substantial tooling revision that.
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Has anyone seen pictures of the real model yet? Keen to see if the CAC Sabre has been accurately portrayed. A (very quick) google didn't turn up any photos - apologies if I missed them.

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Has anyone seen pictures of the real model yet? Keen to see if the CAC Sabre has been accurately portrayed. A (very quick) google didn't turn up any photos - apologies if I missed them.

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Of the real aircraft you mean ? If so, no, I haven't seen this actual scheme on that particular aircraft but I've seen it on another.

Guess it was so short lived that there weren't many photos taken of it. Makes you wonder why they didn't make the scheme with owls (?) on it or a more standard scheme from Vietnam.
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Of the real aircraft you mean ? If so, no, I haven't seen this actual scheme on that particular aircraft but I've seen it on another.

Guess it was so short lived that there weren't many photos taken of it. Makes you wonder why they didn't make the scheme with owls (?) on it or a more standard scheme from Vietnam.
The scheme is well documented with plenty of photos on ADF-serials.

The one with the 8th TFW squadron symbols was a one off from when No 79 Sqn left Ubon I believe.

I think though TerenceW was wondering about the HM mould, no?

No pics of the Avon engine variants have appeared as yet.
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The scheme is well documented with plenty of photos on ADF-serials.

The one with the 8th TFW squadron symbols was a one off from when No 79 Sqn left Ubon I believe.

I think though TerenceW was wondering about the HM mould, no?

No pics of the Avon engine variants have appeared as yet.
I checked ADF-serials but no photos of that actual scheme unless I missed something
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Thanks guys - yes was wondering if any pictures of the HM mould were out yet...
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Keen to see if the CAC Sabre has been accurately portrayed.
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William says gun panel and 'Winders, apart from that, just the paint scheme. No surprise unless an Australian distributer was willing to stump up the cash for a proper tooling.
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Ref "William say's"........what a shame but expected as new tooling for a limited edition would be cost prohibitive. Still..........wish they would consider it. I would buy every correct version and there must be 5-6 really good paint schemes out there? William! Would be a great New Years anoouncement?
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What is needed to make this a CAC Sabre ? New nose section and that's it ? Or at least the most obvious change.

I'd probably give this a miss if it's not going to be tooled accurately, at least not for a short lived one off scheme, maybe one that was stationed in Malaysia would be better
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Thinking about this....really all HM needs to do to make this more of a Avon Sabre is to enlarge the air intake on the nose by about 25-30%. Seems to me this would not be all that tough? The Avon required some fuselage changes but not really noticeable on a 1/72 model but the intake is the key. Maybe some of the down under types can confirm this or add to it.
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Sounds right to me but wouldn't a wider intake mean the nose would have to be wider as well, that's probably why HM won't invest more into it, changing the entire tooling just to accommodate that part.

Which then makes me think I'd wait for a better scheme if it's not doing to be accurate.
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OK I have stared at Avon Sabre photos for about an hour. Seems the INTAKE was deepened 3" in one of the details of the structural changes. So HM could scale that to a new nose intake and would be simple assuming they have a spare fuselage mould which I doubt. They need to do a mod anyhow for the 30mm gun ports. As far as messing with fuselage aft of the gun ports I don't think much needed except perhaps adding a break line where fuselage was detached for engine changes and all I know on that is the "line) where detached was a bit further aft then the F model 86s. HM "could" look at some photos of Roo Models 1/48 plastic kit conversions to get a idea what I am saying and go from there.
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very much doubt hm will go through that trouble... but then again, what do i know

if they do, then all the better for raaf collectors. good luck!
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Other the the nose section, the rest can be a F-86 for all I care, as you say, it's 1/72 so not like it's gonna be noticed scaled down.

I think this comes under 2 things, HM's carelessness and/or they don't want to change the mould because they keep getting burnt by $hillxperts which tell them it's a good idea.
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no... mods require money. hm thinks they'll get away with it... so they'll give it a shot. so let's see how many of these are taken up by aussies who buy this because no other manufacturer does them
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I know a few muppets that HM loves not questioning their moulds, that will buy it regardless

Sorry to break it to you TC but this isn't obscure enough to say no other manu would do it
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Other the the nose section, the rest can be a F-86 for all I care, as you say, it's 1/72 so not like it's gonna be noticed scaled down.
I agree, in 1/72 scale it's really the nose that looks the most different to me.

I'm hoping that someone will do the HARS Black Panther scheme as I got to sit in its cockpit earlier this year. A truly memorable experience!
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I know a few muppets that HM loves not questioning their moulds, that will buy it regardless

Sorry to break it to you TC but this isn't obscure enough to say no other manu would do it
hold you breath then...
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Too expensive when compared to elsewhere in Australia. I can even get RAAF stuff cheaper from UK even with postage included than direct from Hobbyco. They seem ok with other diecast but Australian diecast they push up the prices.
I don't know what it is with Hobbyco, 100% lost their way, maybe the owner who would have to be in his 70's-80's just doesn't care anymore as nothing has come with their stockmarket float. Their diecast selection seems to be a sales graveyard, sure the shelves seem to full but last time I looked I suspect product is not moving out the door as it once was, I also found whoever is stacking the shelves did not fully understand the product as was the case 4 or 5 years ago. I guess many people look at the shelf price then look at the online price and just buy online from overseas. Unfortunately there's little choice in an Australia distributor left for Hobby Master. I don't know why they bother.

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I don't know what it is with Hobbyco, 100% lost their way, maybe the owner who would have to be in his 70's-80's just doesn't care anymore as nothing has come with their stockmarket float. Their diecast selection seems to be a sales graveyard, sure the shelves seem to full but last time I looked I suspect product is not moving out the door as it once was, I also found whoever is stacking the shelves did not fully understand the product as was the case 4 or 5 years ago. I guess many people look at the shelf price then look at the online price and just buy online from overseas. Unfortunately there's little choice in an Australia distributor left for Hobby Master. I don't know why they bother.
hobbymaster hardly reviews their distributor's performance... even if it means higher retail prices compared with parallel importers. it's a free market so they don't control their distributors' pricing, and for the most part, they don't really care. once it's sold to the distributors, it's a done deal. it's not like the distributors are mere stockists. i've spoken to william about this before and his advice was to buy from whoever gave me the best price. so yeah, go with what works for you. it's a pity for those who insists on having to inspect the models personally as that leaves them with very little choice than to hop on down to the closest brick and mortar store...
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hobbymaster hardly reviews their distributor's performance... even if it means higher retail prices compared with parallel importers. it's a free market so they don't control their distributors' pricing, and for the most part, they don't really care. once it's sold to the distributors, it's a done deal. it's not like the distributors are mere stockists. i've spoken to william about this before and his advice was to buy from whoever gave me the best price. so yeah, go with what works for you. it's a pity for those who insists on having to inspect the models personally as that leaves them with very little choice than to hop on down to the closest brick and mortar store...
Hobbyco like to jack up prices on the same model depending on paint scheme, some years ago I once queried some years ago why a USAF DC-4 model was priced higher than other other DC-4's which were released at that the same time by Hobby Master, "because its more of a limited edition" was the story, a load of cockin bull, because online retailers like Lacorun were charging the same price for all paint schemes.
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Hobbyco like to jack up prices on the same model depending on paint scheme, some years ago I once queried some years ago why a USAF DC-4 model was priced higher than other other DC-4's which were released at that the same time by Hobby Master, "because its more of a limited edition" was the story, a load of cockin bull, because online retailers like Lacorun were charging the same price for all paint schemes.
it happens almost everywhere. the indigenous schemes usually command a premium. at some point hobbyco may find they're pricing themselves out of the market and with the arrival of the internet, that may come about sooner rather than later. at least for those who stay in oz, shipping may not be as prohibitive . i guess that's why the distributors over in uk and us still manages pretty well since they do save quite a bit shipping en masse, something parallel importers cannot afford to do.
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This is for HM mainly. The current December issue of "AEROPLANE" has a very good article on the Oz built Saber's including fuselage contours and info on the nose intake. I still think a very slight enlargement to the intake on the mould would do the trick and how hard would that be? Henry?
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at some point hobbyco may find they're pricing themselves out of the market and with the arrival of the internet, that may come about sooner rather than later.
I had to re-check the date on this - it sounds like it was written in 1996 or something.

If they haven't figured it out by now that they're losing a LOT of sales through their exorbitant prices, I doubt they will.
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I had to re-check the date on this - it sounds like it was written in 1996 or something.

If they haven't figured it out by now that they're losing a LOT of sales through their exorbitant prices, I doubt they will.
online diecast aircraft sales didn't quite take off in 1996 (and neither did hobbymaster, did they?)

the aussie pricing is down to the appointed distributor, not hobbymaster. they're probably only just realising how big the demand is in oz seeing as to how they're flooding the market with raaf releases starting 2017... and perhaps that trend may carry through 2018 too. who knows (well, except perhaps william)
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Just one more late comment for HM. Think of ALL the F4C's Vietnam you have done. A correct RAAF Sabre parked next to half of them would justify doing the mods no? They are a perfect fit for the 1965 - 67 era F4's . It looks like and sounds like you have already decided to just mess with the incorrect F86 moulds and call it good. Really a bad decision.
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Just one more late comment for HM. Think of ALL the F4C's Vietnam you have done. A correct RAAF Sabre parked next to half of them would justify doing the mods no? They are a perfect fit for the 1965 - 67 era F4's . It looks like and sounds like you have already decided to just mess with the incorrect F86 moulds and call it good. Really a bad decision.
Hear, hear!

So many Ubon F-4s (and F-104s) releases over the years: a proper No 79 Sqn RAAF CAC Avon Sabre is the perfect accompanying model...
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Hear, hear!

So many Ubon F-4s (and F-104s) releases over the years: a proper No 79 Sqn RAAF CAC Avon Sabre is the perfect accompanying model...
Maybe contact Timmy !! about getting this done as he's on the CS3 perfect model review board
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Maybe contact Timmy !! about getting this done as he's on the CS3 perfect model review board

Yah I can put the word out. But just so we're clear we are talking about this RAAF CAC Sabre from the USS Independence right?
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Oh the USS Inoependence, yeah get model that was from HM, of course, recommended viewing distance was 3 feet

Mate, you forgot the yellow edges it "might" of had it at some point
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Oh the USS Inoependence, yeah get model that was from HM, of course, recommended viewing distance was 3 feet

Mate, you forgot the yellow edges it "might" of had it at some point
Yeah I remember that botched model. Stupid HM. But I also remember this botched model

UF Stupidity by timothy33csa, on Flickr

Oops my bad. I forgot that you already flipped about it.
flip-flop-zippity-zop-i-put-the-molly-in-her-jello-pudding by timothy33csa, on Flickr


Nevermind accuracy as long as it got them rainbows right?? So how bout this.
HA4704FP-2 by timothy33csa, on Flickr
Still got the Inoependence but at least it has the rainbows? Does that make it a good model now.
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p.s. they also fought alongside the brits in asia
Malayan Emergency in the 50s and 60s and the Confrontation against Indonesia in Borneo 63 to 66.
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Thinking about this....really all HM needs to do to make this more of a Avon Sabre is to enlarge the air intake on the nose by about 25-30%. Seems to me this would not be all that tough? The Avon required some fuselage changes but not really noticeable on a 1/72 model but the intake is the key. Maybe some of the down under types can confirm this or add to it.
Quite a few lads made similar points. I agree, the intake could have been ever so slightly bigger and still fit the fuselage. William's reply was the importer (Hobbyco) was not interested forking out some cash to modify a plastic piece.

I recall some lads thinking about giving it a go (with the Red Roo conversion kit), but I never saw a end product.

There is one genius I know that was actually pulling a part a HM Sabre to modify it to a CAC Sabre. But he has stopped code 3s for a bit. He can do it, he modded a F105D into a two seater F105G.

Regardless, I think HM and Hobbyco would be, overall, pleased with how the model fared on the market.
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It's a F-86F any way you look at it Mate. They did not modify the fuselage at all just added the twin 30's and called it good ( !).
I suppose that was to be expected cost wise but as a RAAF Thai base airplane it is not and after several attempts to have them do it right I gave up. I am lucky to have 2 Sqn Patches from 79 based in Thailand one from the Olds Estate and the correct model would have been nice to display with them but alas not to be!
Corgi...why have they sat on their hands for years without doing the RAAF Canberra from the Vietnam era? Missing some sales there I would think.
While on this RAAF theme I would really like to see a Mirage 3 RAAF..several different nice schemes available to work from.
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It's a F-86F any way you look at it Mate. They did not modify the fuselage at all just added the twin 30's and called it good ( !).
I suppose that was to be expected cost wise but as a RAAF Thai base airplane it is not and after several attempts to have them do it right I would never but the kick off.
It is what it is guess. Eventually someone will mod theirs and Iwill observe the results with great interest. Perhaps its an easy mod?

Regardless, I am glad I got it. 79 SQN has pretty strong link to the 8th TFW and COL (BRIG) Olds during his time there as Wing Commander.

Australia's Air Commitment to the Vietnam War was pretty significant and its a theme that really has not reached its full potential. Mind you,...that more than anyone is Corgi's fault.
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