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Old 11-11-2017, 04:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I bought an EF-111A Raven from hobby Master in a private sale last weekend, but over the past week I have noticed it had a crooked tail, something I am surprised I missed in my initial inspections and the first few days of owning it.

Is this common, is it a mfg defect and can it be fixed?.

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Old 11-11-2017, 07:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Which part isn't straight ? I'm not immediately seeing what the issue is

I think you have to factor in there is a certain tolerance for error with mass produced aircraft models from China. Being a car collector, you'll notice the differences more so I guess, car QC seems to be very good compared to aircraft from any manu.
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Old 11-11-2017, 08:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The vertical fin appears to be off by a few degrees to the port. Maybe it's just me only seeing the flaws and not the good points. My username seems to be on point here.
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It seems ok to me, could have been the angle you had it display at giving you that impression that it's worse then it really is.

I know I've had a few models that had issues with gears not being straight, a very common problem and after while it stopped bothering me.
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I never understood why the term "rivet counter" is a bad thing ? Yes it can be nit picking at times but these models aren't free, I think we are well within our rights as consumers to question and criticize a product.

Having an eye for detail in what essentially is a hobby all about details is a good thing, apologise for everything and that's pretty much hoarder mentally. Oh I need this and I need that at all costs despite it not being good or not really needing it.

For me, it's about getting a model as close to accurate as reasonably possible and with great fit and finish as expected by the price that is being paid.
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Old 11-11-2017, 09:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Having an eye for detail in what essentially is a hobby all about details is a good thing, apologise for everything and that's pretty much hoarder mentally. Oh I need this and I need that at all costs despite it not being good or not really needing it.

For me, it's about getting a model as close to accurate as reasonably possible and with great fit and finish as expected by the price that is being paid.
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The vertical fin appears to be off by a few degrees to the port. Maybe it's just me only seeing the flaws and not the good points. My username seems to be on point here.
It looks to me to be off by less than one degree, not a few degrees. Personally, I don't think it's a big deal but that's just me.

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Hi Rivet Counter,

I had the same issue with my HM F-111. I was able to fix it by holing the tail over some steam until it was almost too hot to touch, then by applying a (very) large side force with my hand I was able to crack the glue (after repeating the process several times) and remove the tail. I then simply sanded away the excess glue and re-glued it straight. There is no sign it was ever removed, zero damage to any parts.

This method though is not without risk, my model had zero heat damage, however yours being a different colour and shape might. Unlikely but you never know. Also in order to apply enough force you have to hold the model in such a way that it will not slip and you will not damage any other parts. If you want to try this then be very careful about it, try it at your own risk. I've done this multiple times, sometimes with minor paint cracking around the join (on airliners when excess glue is present in the join seam). On the F-111 it worked perfectly because there was no excess glue. If the top part of the tail is plastic then this part may be damaged by the heat required to make it work

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Forget the heat gun in this situation, it will only warp the tail and possible damage the paint.
The tail is glued into the base of the metal model. If you carefully force the tail side to side, it will pop out. Hold it at the base of the tail as you move it side to side pinching the tail with your thumb / finger up to the top of the fin.
You can then re glue the tail back in with Elmers glue or plastic modelling glue. Do not use superglue, it will frost the area around the glue points.
There is an insert at the base of the tail about 4 millimeters long that inserts into a slot at the bottom of the model fuselage. There are no screws, so no worries there.
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I never understood why the term "rivet counter" is a bad thing ? Yes it can be nit picking at times but these models aren't free, I think we are well within our rights as consumers to question and criticize a product.

Having an eye for detail in what essentially is a hobby all about details is a good thing, apologise for everything and that's pretty much hoarder mentally. Oh I need this and I need that at all costs despite it not being good or not really needing it.

For me, it's about getting a model as close to accurate as reasonably possible and with great fit and finish as expected by the price that is being paid.
that explains the deagostinis you got
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that explains the deagostinis you got
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For me, it's about getting a model as close to accurate as reasonably possible and with great fit and finish as expected by the price that is being paid.
Um yes, it does explain it actually

They exceeded expectations considering the price, fit of the parts was surprising well and so to the general quality.

I can't say the same for current HM standards though
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They exceeded expectations considering the price, fit of the parts was surprising well and so to the general quality.

I can't say the same for current HM standards though
Many allegations have been leveled at the 'current HM standards' but I guess I still don't understand or have seen specific examples of this phenomenon. Nor do I know what years were the so called "golden" years of HM. Short of buying several dozen HM models ranging in ages to find out for myself--which I don't think I will be doing since I collect a select few models and not volume--this will remain an observation that I may not get to observe. Another Q: How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? The world may never know...
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Many allegations have been leveled at the 'current HM standards' but I guess I still don't understand or have seen specific examples of this phenomenon. Nor do I know what years were the so called "golden" years of HM. Short of buying several dozen HM models ranging in ages to find out for myself--which I don't think I will be doing since I collect a select few models and not volume--this will remain an observation that I may not get to observe. Another Q: How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? The world may never know...
Just go look at any mould on HMC that been around long enough and you'll see the difference. But personally, the "golden" years of HM were their first 5 yrs, I guess while they were establishing themselves, last 5 has been a steady slope downwards but then what manu hasn't been like that.

That's not to say they didn't screw up from the start, that pic in the other thread of the first Hornet is a great example of that.

As for your question, you can always find out
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Thanks for the advice guys, I think that I could probably fix it by removing the tail and filing it to fit straight but that's a risk I just don't want to take. I have tried repairing other models before and more often than not it makes the problem worse. For now I will just live with it until I can build one in 1/48. Debating between the Hobby Boss or Academy kit.
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Thanks for the advice guys, I think that I could probably fix it by removing the tail and filing it to fit straight but that's a risk I just don't want to take. I have tried repairing other models before and more often than not it makes the problem worse. For now I will just live with it until I can build one in 1/48. Debating between the Hobby Boss or Academy kit.
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Just go look at any mould on HMC that been around long enough and you'll see the difference. But personally, the "golden" years of HM were their first 5 yrs, I guess while they were establishing themselves, last 5 has been a steady slope downwards but then what manu hasn't been like that.

That's not to say they didn't screw up from the start, that pic in the other thread of the first Hornet is a great example of that.

As for your question, you can always find out
they're not all doom and gloom, surely... and you're still buying the odd hobbymaster, aren't you? even if they had fantasy leading edge yellow, eh?
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