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Old 07-30-2017, 07:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default WHY....No diecasts of Bell X-1 or X-15

Why has there never been die casts of the Bell X-1 or X-15..bet they would sell like hotcakes

1/72 or 1/48 scale

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Didn't Dragon do both?
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Old 07-30-2017, 08:04 PM   #3 (permalink)
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yes I have both of those...want larger scales
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Old 07-30-2017, 08:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think the X-15 is one of the coolest aircraft ever flown, and have requested William of Hobby Master to consider it. He said it is something they will analyze manufacturing, but of course the demand has to be there.

Perhaps if more of you contacted him directly the chances of getting the model would be higher.
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Would love to see the X-models. Most have few liveries so not much of a chance as it has been said that the manufacturers want ideally to sell 10,000 out of a mold to maximize their money back on such.
CW has done well with the SR-71 so it is possible and the X-15 had several different liveries. The issue would be the modifications on the body itself if which there were a few.
Honestly, the F-117 is probably a very good test bed for something like this to see if HM could do well with such a model.
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Old 07-31-2017, 02:43 AM   #6 (permalink)
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CW was lucky that there was enough hype around the Sr-71, I don't think HM will be so lucky with their F-117. I'm looking forward to it but I can't see myself getting more then 1 and I think most collectors will be the same, give or take they may want the grey or camo versions, the rest are 50 shades of black.

So if iconic operational AC may struggle, I'm guessing iconic prototypes / testing AC, wouldn't favour any better.

Purely from a "is there demand for a larger scale version" perspective. The smaller Dragon models seem good enough at this stage.
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Old 07-31-2017, 04:32 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Something like this ... All custom made. I love X-planes
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I'd love the X-15, but it's a difficult sell, for the reasons alluded to here. When I ran it up William's flagpole about 10 years ago he had no interest at all (nor in the T-38). However, as the more obvious subjects have been done, perhaps it's worth another go. Otherwise, I'll just get a couple built for me (to be honest perhaps I'll do that anyway, they'll be far sharper than HM is capable of).

I think there's enough marking and equipment variations to keep up the interest if the tooling is designed carefully. They'd certainly have to do a better job than Dragon. Off the top of my head I can think of:

Small engines, long pitot ("rollout")
Bob White's Mach 6 ride with the white thermal paint patches
Joe Walker's "Little Joe II" (with no ventral - obviously, Dragon )
Bob Rushworth's initial X-15A-2 tests with tanks in black.
Mike Adams mishap ship three with wing tip pods.
Pete Knight's white X-15A-2

I think that's plenty more variety than we've seen on the SR-71 or probably will see on the F-117.

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Off the top of my head I can think of:

Small engines, long pitot ("rollout")
Bob White's Mach 6 ride with the white thermal paint patches
Joe Walker's "Little Joe II" (with no ventral - obviously, Dragon )
Bob Rushworth's initial X-15A-2 tests with tanks in black.
Mike Adams mishap ship three with wing tip pods.
Pete Knight's white X-15A-2

I think that's plenty more variety than we've seen on the SR-71 or probably will see on the F-117.
You could get a few more if you're willing to add the trans-atmospheric fighters from "Battle in Outer Space." (It was more like "Battle in Low Earth Orbit," to be honest.)





I really dig the X-15; for the design, the stories, the place in history. But, oddly enough, this eminently swooshable sci-fi fighter from a cheesy movie would be more likely to earn my coin.
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Old 07-31-2017, 09:12 PM   #10 (permalink)
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wow thanks for replies...I am not privy to costs and in's and out's of diecast business...now I kinda understand...I have had these models built for me also..will show pics of my collection soon....
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Old 07-31-2017, 09:39 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Count me in for both X-1 and X-15! Would love to see them in 72 scale as Dragon X-models are only 1/144 which I don´t collect.

Both X-1 and X-15 have quite a lot of attractive liveries, truth is that most collectors will probably settle for, say, one or two of each. But thats also the case of many other models including for example Vigi, Viking, F-117 which UF already mentioned or SR-71.

When deciding whether to do X-planes, Hobby Master should consider two additional facts:
- both X-1 and X-15 seem to be more attractive and more beautiful planes than F-117 if we speak about F-117 (please don´t take pitchforks on me), so from the sheer attractivity there should be big selling potential in X-planes.

And even more importantly:
- X-1 and X-15 are planes of truly ultimate historical importance and having them in collection is simply a must independently on themes which collectors are collecting, except of diehard WWI/WWII collectors maybe. X-1 and X-15 could actually have maybe even better selling potential than some already existing models, as people will buy them not only for their attractivity, but also for their historical importance. X-1 and X-15 to every diecast collector should be the slogan of the day...

From both above reasons I´d say that X-1 and X-15 could actually have good chances for successful long lasting sales, even compared to Vigi, Viking or F-117.


Next to Adour´s list of X-15s liveries "to do" I´d also propose this beautiful X-15-A2 from National Museum of the USAF:
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Old 07-31-2017, 10:39 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Great post...I agree and do feel the potential for high sales numbers are there....as for the F117 I never liked it until recently and bought the New Ray which is pretty good except permanent wheels down and I prefer to display most of my 1/72 flying.....looking forward to Hobbymasters version which seems like it will be a much better quality...
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what is best way to bombard William at Hobbymaster....Let's do it!!!!
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Old 08-01-2017, 08:00 PM   #14 (permalink)
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It would be nice to see the X-1 in time for the anniversary of the Mach 1 flight, Oct 14, 1947.
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Old 08-03-2017, 06:05 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Just wondering - are there any news from William about X-1/X-15 possibility?
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Old 08-05-2017, 10:19 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Have to agree completely. Who in their right mind would say no to Captain Charles E. Yeager's sound barrier busting flight in the bullet shaped Bell X-1 "Glamorous Glennis" on 14 October 1947!

It was top secret and a year before anyone outside the USAF knew about it! Today things occurring like that in experimental aircraft never see the light of day as they remain classified for decades if ever declassified. Chuck Yeager, the greatest aviator there was( ...next to Howard Hughes) should have this flight immortalised in 72 scale diecast and is way way overdue! HM I guarantee it will be a hit or I'll fly to China and sweep your factory floor for a month!
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Old 08-05-2017, 11:38 AM   #17 (permalink)
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List of X Planes.....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_X-planes

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Old 08-07-2017, 02:58 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Chuck Yeager, the greatest aviator there was( ...next to Howard Hughes) should have this flight immortalised in 72 scale diecast and is way way overdue!
Well I'd love to see an X-1, but "the greatest aviator there was"?
(Those wishing to avoid thread drift look away now).

Of course he was a great pilot, but there's been an awful lot of great pilots. The Chuck Yeager/ Tom Wolfe case rests on six main areas:

1. WWII combat? No doubting his courage or fighting spirit but, shot down on his eighth mission then E&E back. Returned to combat with less than a year of the war to go. Not all kills are created equal, and without getting into claim accuracy arguments, let's leave it with saying that the average quality of the opposition wasn't what it was earlier on. Ace in a day? The first two guys collided without being shot down by him. Shot down a 262? It was war and he did his duty, but shooting a guy down in the landing pattern who's out of gas (and probably out of ammo) doesn't qualify as a great feat of arms. Strafing civillians? Again it was a war but . . .
WWII, he did his job, as did thousands of others.

2. The X-1? Firstly the breathless schoolboy sound barrier stuff. Great for Shepperton Studios, Hollywood and basically the uneducated masses but not actually real. A real flying machine had been going through it under full control for years (the A-4/V-2). Yeager himself (over simplistically) attributes the "secret" of getting through Mach 1 to the movable tailplane. The XP-86 was already flying. The X-1 was well behind schedule. The XP-86 had all the practical design features to allow exceedance of Mach 1 by an operational aircraft. The X-1 did not. There is considerable doubt as to whether the X-1 even exceeded Mach 1 prior to the XP-86. Either way it doesn't actually matter because the '86 was a practical design that went on to front line service. The X-1 provided good research data later on, but it's real contribution to the design of the first mass produced aircraft in the world capable of exceeding Mach 1 was zero. It was "bigged" up for program financing reasons.

3. The X-1A? Stories differ here. He certainly set a record in an aeroplane well beyond it's safe design envelope, and did well to get both himself and the X-1A back.

4. Flying the MiG-15? Well, "Tom" Collins flew it first. The high speed dives were shared between Yeager and Boyd (you can't believe everything on Wikipedia). Sure it was a compressed test program in far from ideal conditions, but it wasn't all his and it was on an operational front line type not a radical new prototype.

5. The NF-104? Plainly a case of gross arrogance leading to gross ignorance, producing gross mishandling producing loss of the aircraft. Followed up by stabbing a guy in the back to save his own reputation. Impressed? Nice bit of spin Tom and Chuck.

6. Service in Vietnam? Again an Air Force Officer doing his duty, commendable but hardly in any way exceptional.

Sure, he had a big influence on those he served with; and sure, many a young pilot admired him and tried to model themselves on him. He was an excellent pilot with a lot of interesting experience. So were many others.

An exciting life, but the "greatest aviator"? Pretty far from it I'd say. Then again, many people prefer myth to reality.

Of course I could have just said that he wasn't a naval aviator so how could he possibly be "greatest"?

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Corgi make a B-29 mothership with X-1 under its belly and also a B-52 mothership with diecast X-15, both in 1/144th scale.
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Corgi make a B-29 mothership with X-1 under its belly and also a B-52 mothership with diecast X-15, both in 1/144th scale.
They do. Unfortunately the B-52 is in a mish mash combination of markings that it never actually flew in, and the X-15 is also a bit of an inaccurate mess. I replaced the Corgi X-15 with a corrected Dragon version, and the combination make a nice display.

So far as Hobby Master and the X-15 are concerned they do have the MPM kits so it's not inconceivable for the future. Unfortunately US distributer response so far has only been "lukewarm" (get emailing). At the very least HM are going to take some persuading that the alterations required to produce both the X-15 and X-15A-2 versions would be worthwhile.

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