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Old 07-29-2017, 10:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!

Hobby Master is launching new models of Russian planes thick and fast.

To my enquiry of having R-77 missiles on SU-35S, this is what William had to say:
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Just a little more information on the R-77, we are making the Su-27 tooling now.

We will add the R-77 on the Su-27 weapon tooling for share usage.

Su-27 will be released in Jan/Feb next year.

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Now that HM is going to produce the SU-27, what would like to see in the line up?

Perhaps we could help William to decide.
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Old 07-29-2017, 11:03 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Great news! Would love to see HM do an Indonesian SU-27 to go with my SU-30 of the same. I would also like to see them do an SU-35 of the Indonesian AF when the deal is finalized and aircraft start being delivered. What a great time to be a collector of Russian aircraft!
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Old 07-29-2017, 11:11 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Happy sounds... thanks Kltower
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Old 07-29-2017, 11:51 AM   #4 (permalink)
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The single-seat TNI-AU Su-27SK is a good choice. Goes well with the two-seater Su-30MK2.


The Ukraine digital camo is also attractive. Harder paint job perhaps!

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Yes, and I'm curious how the JCW's Ukrainian SU-27 digi camo will turn out. I look on Taobao for pics of the actual model about once a week or so. Nothing yet.
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We've known this was coming for a year, but now with an estimated release date, who's going to buy the old Witty tooling?
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Old 07-29-2017, 01:25 PM   #7 (permalink)
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and mig-29/su-25/AH-64/AH-1/mi-24 coming soon
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Old 07-29-2017, 05:30 PM   #8 (permalink)
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It was rumour till now so it's great HM have come out and confirmed it and saved us all the hassle buying from JCW.

This is exactly the reason why I won't buy any JCW models:


The model itself is actually quiet good but JCW should have improved the gears rather then take the easy route and just recycle the Witty mould. Also their choice of colours is rather questionable.
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It was rumour till now . . .
Not for me it wasn't, but I did assume that the Su-35 would go down well.

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let the good times roll... (thumbs nose at those who predicted the imminent death of this hobby)
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Not for me it wasn't, but I did assume that the Su-35 would go down well.
I say rumour because even though William had hinted to me a few months back, there was no concrete date and he's been known to say moulds will be coming out in the future and the future arrives but nothings happened.

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let the good times roll... (thumbs nose at those who predicted the imminent death of this hobby)
Well if the muppets from the past had their way, it pretty much was gonna end very soon.
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Old 07-31-2017, 08:44 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Um really only Hobby Master has kept the hobby going. The other manu's are becoming woefully unpolished. Even Corgi has resorted to using decals on some new releases. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. A silly effort to save money will ultimately cost money when no-one buys the model just to save a pound!

HM is the only one investing in new moulds and just needs improved QA to be a powerhouse manufacturer. Century Wings promised much but after a few moulds kinda said "that's it for us". Calibre Wings the new kid on the block has loads of potential but has to understand modellers won't accept shortcuts and you must deliver what you promise. And the others like Aviation 72 and Oxford aren't willing to extend beyond their austere beginnings despite the occasional brilliant offering that hint at what they can do when they really put their efforts into a model they love themselves.

This hobby will survive when the manufacturers realise it is quality over quantity for the customer and not quantity over quality which is the manufacturer's edict. This hobby doesn't work that way. The manufacturers need to embrace the concept of a true "collectible" model and make better models less often possibly even near perfect ones maybe once or twice a year for a premium. They say they don't manufacture toys, then don't and the hobby will flourish.

PS keep the russian planes coming we love em all!

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Old 07-31-2017, 10:14 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Totally agree with you Emu, now is a good time for Hobby Master (the only manu propping up this hobby) to really get in there and find out what collectors want and do it right.

One thing that has been touched on is research, no longer can manus rely on whatever the kit manus came up with. They really need to look into historical material. Also abit of market research wouldn't be a bad idea. I'd like to see HM try polling schemes on their website rather then guess what we want.
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Also abit of market research wouldn't be a bad idea. I'd like to see HM try polling schemes on their website rather then guess what we want.
Yup. The market has matured compared to ten years ago. Speaking just for myself I used to buy pretty much everything. It was all new, cheap and I had loads of space. Now prices have rocketed, quality expectations changed, and I've all but run out of space (one in, one out). Are there enough new collectors for them to soak up releases almost indiscriminately? I have 8 Corgi Lightnings, 5 1/32 Mosquitos (FFS ), 6 Lancs, 6 MiG-21s, 4 F-111s, 5 Flankers (including Gaincorp's fall apart if you look at thems) etc. Would I do the same again today? No way. No matter how much I like a type, I'm a lot more choosy.

Don't agree HM's doing all the lifting either. For 1/72 WWII collectors, much (and rightly) maligned Corgi still put out some helpful stuff (just not enough, and it should be better). I don't see much chance of Stirlings, Sunderlands, Do17s and their ilk from HM. That said, I sure hope the decal fiasco is behind us.

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As a long term collector, I have found myself weeding out doubles and triples for new models that are not at all in my collection and keeping favorite liveries. It is not likely I will purchase new models just because of a different livery unless it is personally very appealing.
Corgi has been very hit and miss, when they get them right, they do a great job... Now I am looking to other manufacturers such as Corgi for my 1:72 scale WWII models and I have built up quite a collection of them in the last 3 months. IF... HM were to make a 1:72 scale WII model, I am pretty sure I would be buying them, but HM would have to do it really well because that market is somewhat saturated and I have quite a good collection already.

It makes sense for HM to slowly get into that WWII genre of models slowly and when they can pay attention to getting them produced right, right out of the door.

For now, HM best bet is to pop out models like the Soviet / Western / Asian and European models that are not on the market and will appeal to the majority of collectors who appreciate the current generation of fighter aircraft models.

I do hope someone takes up the mantle to do 1:72 modern bombers. The B-1 and B-2 would be models I still would absolutely purchase multiples of.
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Well if the muppets from the past had their way, it pretty much was gonna end very soon.
oh, sure... blame it on the muppets now

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Um really only Hobby Master has kept the hobby going. The other manu's are becoming woefully unpolished. Even Corgi has resorted to using decals on some new releases. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. A silly effort to save money will ultimately cost money when no-one buys the model just to save a pound!

HM is the only one investing in new moulds and just needs improved QA to be a powerhouse manufacturer. Century Wings promised much but after a few moulds kinda said "that's it for us". Calibre Wings the new kid on the block has loads of potential but has to understand modellers won't accept shortcuts and you must deliver what you promise. And the others like Aviation 72 and Oxford aren't willing to extend beyond their austere beginnings despite the occasional brilliant offering that hint at what they can do when they really put their efforts into a model they love themselves.

This hobby will survive when the manufacturers realise it is quality over quantity for the customer and not quantity over quality which is the manufacturer's edict. This hobby doesn't work that way. The manufacturers need to embrace the concept of a true "collectible" model and make better models less often possibly even near perfect ones maybe once or twice a year for a premium. They say they don't manufacture toys, then don't and the hobby will flourish.

PS keep the russian planes coming we love em all!
you got that right on the dot. it's pretty much hobbymaster that's keeping this hobby afloat. to be fair, i don't follow corgi so i can't really say how much they've contributed. just my personal observation, corgi's selection has always been pretty much slanted regionally (read: british collection) whereas hobbymaster has a much wider global appeal. i do worry for calibre wings seeing the direction it's taken. whilst i understand noel's passion for transformers/robotech stuff, he really should have kept them within the calibre toys family instead of doing a crossover. again, just my personal opinion. aviation 72 and oxfords are pretty much business as usual... something that represents a particular airframe, but not exactly in the collectible category. century wings and air command... well, they're there, but not exactly. too few to make any dent... unless it's an anniversary edition. and then it's too much. unless jcw pays more attention to their military range, it's gonna go the way of the dodo also. witty had the edge against hobbymaster price-wise, jcw doesn't. they've gotto start improving on their legacy moulds and come out with new toolings to be a force to be reckoned with... and they don't seem to want to do either.

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As a long term collector, I have found myself weeding out doubles and triples for new models that are not at all in my collection and keeping favorite liveries. It is not likely I will purchase new models just because of a different livery unless it is personally very appealing.
Corgi has been very hit and miss, when they get them right, they do a great job... Now I am looking to other manufacturers such as Corgi for my 1:72 scale WWII models and I have built up quite a collection of them in the last 3 months. IF... HM were to make a 1:72 scale WII model, I am pretty sure I would be buying them, but HM would have to do it really well because that market is somewhat saturated and I have quite a good collection already.

It makes sense for HM to slowly get into that WWII genre of models slowly and when they can pay attention to getting them produced right, right out of the door.

For now, HM best bet is to pop out models like the Soviet / Western / Asian and European models that are not on the market and will appeal to the majority of collectors who appreciate the current generation of fighter aircraft models.

I do hope someone takes up the mantle to do 1:72 modern bombers. The B-1 and B-2 would be models I still would absolutely purchase multiples of.

yes, i'd get a lancer and spirit too... but probably not in multiples. and i've kinda segregated my ww2 birds, modern fighters and civilian aircrafts into 48, 72 and 200 scales respectively so don't actually look forward to more 72 ww2 stuff. but if the manus do do them, then good for you. it does look like hm is slowly moving away from us airframes (they've probably done most of them anyway) so naturally the soviet and european airframes are the next frontier.
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Any chance HM will do ANY model with canards? I have a KAIDIWEI
J-15 which is not up to HM or Calibre.
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Any chance HM will do ANY model with canards? I have a KAIDIWEI J-15 which is not up to HM or Calibre.
Seems that among the collectors there´s indeed quite a demand for canarded Flanker, especially for mighty SU-30SM. SU-30 with canards maybe also has enough operators already: first and foremost Russian VVS, Russian Navy and Russian Knights, then several "exotic" AF such as Kazakhstan, India (SU-30MKI), Malaysia (SU-30MKM), Algerian Air Force, and also count several prototypes.

Personally have no idea about future HM plans either; maybe someone here has any indication, otherwise you can contact William directly ([email protected]).

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I also have the Gaincorp/Terebo Su-34 with canards and a Witty Su-27 but I would buy an HM, Calibre, or CW.
The Witty doesn't have canards.
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