Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos) - Page 4 - DA.C
 

Go Back   DA.C > Ground Control > Military Model Aircraft

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 8 votes, 1.88 average.
Old 07-15-2017, 10:39 PM   #151
Collector
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: PRG
Posts: 1,094
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Breaking news, JFYI:
I was emailing William about several details on new HM SU-35 such as:

- Missing white trapezoid antenna under the nose on Syria SU-35


I don´t see this antenna on HM artwork:


- Lightning stripes on radome:
... perhaps rised stripes as on model above, or tampo-printed ones. Would apply to both HA5702 and HA5701.


- Shortened rear part of canopy hump on Syria Flanker (cannot see it on HM artwork).
On HM "05" artwork I see bulging MAWS sensor behind the canopy, but i don´t see cut-off rear part of canopy hump. This shortened canopy hump is applied on production SU-35S units as there is air outlet (or inlet) inside the "cut"; 902 prototype used stepless hump design and no rear MAWS sensor. (Also note the white trapezoid antenna under the nose).


- Silver electric heating stripes in the front windscreen:
("902" and Syria SU-35 used electric heating/de-frosting of front windshield). Would apply to both HA5702 and HA5701

- Pilot helmets
typical for ZSH-7 helmet which are using on SU-35 (and Su-27, SU-25, SU-30SM, Mig-29, Mig-31... etc.) are five visible holes on its top. I was asking William if there is any possibility to tampo-print these holes. (See also picture above). Would apply to both HA5702 and HA5701 ... (and more in the future)


(ZSH-7 helmet as performed by Calibre Wings on their SU-24 pilot figure):


William replied to this email:
...most of these details indeed cannot be replicated on the size of a 1/72 model. They are just too tiny and small and delicate.

Some of the details may really be too tiny for mass production in 1/72 scale, anyway since William didn´t say "... all of these details", but "....most of these details", I hope that at least some of the details might finally be on HA5702 (HA5701). I pray.

Also, I wonder if HA5702 pilots will have tan flight suit color...
Ladia is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 07-15-2017, 11:02 PM   #152
Senior Collector
 
Robert Wycoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Bellaire (Houston), Texas
Posts: 198
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

The more stencils, the better? Why NOT do them?
Robert Wycoff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2017, 02:20 AM   #153
Senior Collector
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Kuala Lumpur
Posts: 321
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

I know the red on tip brighten up the otherwise dull missiles. But aren't the red suppose to represent plastic covers for the missiles.

If that's the case don't you think it looks funny for people who likes to display gear up.
kltower is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Old 07-16-2017, 07:37 AM   #154
Senior Collector
 
Robert Wycoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Bellaire (Houston), Texas
Posts: 198
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kltower View Post
I know the red on tip brighten up the otherwise dull missiles. But aren't the red suppose to represent plastic covers for the missiles.

If that's the case don't you think it looks funny for people who likes to display gear up.
Absolutely. I would paint over the red in that case. Mine are gear down.
Robert Wycoff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2017, 08:29 AM   #155
Jaded Collector
 
Adour's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Home at last, crewing can s¥€<%#*
Posts: 422
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

We're all very keen to see an excellent model, and I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but perhaps people need to be a bit more judicious in their requests.

Side numbers, mission marks, radome diverter strips, ordnance, aerials - tick.
Windshield demist elements? Hang on, how would they implement that and how would it look? I'll bet the answers are "clumsily" and "like sh1t" respectively. Be careful what you ask for, you might just trash an otherwise acceptable model. Same goes for helmet vents, really? This is mass produced diecast not a custom plastic kit.

IMHO, of course.
Adour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2017, 07:18 PM   #156
Too many models! (1500+)
 
FortunateSon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Honiara
Posts: 2,145
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

not a 35, but a 27, but here's a photo i took today at RIAT.


online free hosting
FortunateSon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2017, 08:31 PM   #157
Sukhoi Collector
 
plane737's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Winchester
Age: 46
Posts: 1,923
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Quote:
Originally Posted by FortunateSon View Post
not a 35, but a 27, but here's a photo i took today at RIAT.


online free hosting
Nothing fancy. Purpose built machines for sure! Thanks for posting.
plane737 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2017, 03:17 AM   #158
Complete Wacko!
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: timbuktu
Posts: 5,672
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

who moved the ladder?

Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)-deo9-ccxoamhuk1.jpg

by the way, good shot, monsieur fs!

Last edited by tomcatter; 07-17-2017 at 03:22 AM.
tomcatter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2017, 04:08 AM   #159
The Collector
 
Ukrainian_Falcons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 5,382
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adour View Post
We're all very keen to see an excellent model, and I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but perhaps people need to be a bit more judicious in their requests.

Side numbers, mission marks, radome diverter strips, ordnance, aerials - tick.
Windshield demist elements? Hang on, how would they implement that and how would it look? I'll bet the answers are "clumsily" and "like sh1t" respectively. Be careful what you ask for, you might just trash an otherwise acceptable model. Same goes for helmet vents, really? This is mass produced diecast not a custom plastic kit.

IMHO, of course.
Have to agree, some of these tiny improvements aren't possible nor would we want an unskilled labour force dealing with even more tiny details.
Ukrainian_Falcons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2017, 07:33 AM   #160
Too many models! (1500+)
 
FortunateSon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Honiara
Posts: 2,145
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tomcatter View Post
who moved the ladder?
by the way, good shot, monsieur fs!
thanks. it was excellent to have the UkrAF at RIAT along with a very strong showing of US Airpower might including all 3 heavy bombers (the B2 in flyby) and essentially every manned combat aircraft in the USAF inventory except for the A-10 and F-35.

[IMG] web hosting png[/IMG]
FortunateSon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2017, 08:40 AM   #161
Senior Collector
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Kuala Lumpur
Posts: 321
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

This is what HM will and will not do:

My email to HM
Quote:
Dear William,

The DAC members are thrilled that you have listened to their request and that you are changing the aircraft from “Red 05” to "Red 06”.

Hope you will also incorporate the plane with
1) the wing tip L-265M10 ECM pods and
2) the AKU-170 launcher and the R-77 air-to-air missiles

If you have the time, please go over this DAC thread
http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...=1#post2431233
and this is William's reply
Quote:
Dear Sir,

We can only supply the ECM Pods.

About other weapons, I regret that we don't have the toolings.

William
kltower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2017, 08:43 AM   #162
Senior Collector
 
Robert Wycoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Bellaire (Houston), Texas
Posts: 198
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kltower View Post
This is what HM will and will not do:

My email to HM


and this is William's reply
Honest answer. I wonder what ordinance they are going to include? Will they be correct for the type?
Robert Wycoff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2017, 08:51 AM   #163
Senior Collector
 
Mikael's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Prague
Posts: 286
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Wycoff View Post
Honest answer. I wonder what ordinance they are going to include? Will they be correct for the type?
You can see ordnance on this prototype photo:



Yes, it is correct for Su-35, it was displayed with it at many shows. It is not the most correct loadout for the Syrian mission, true, but entirely possible.
Mikael is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2017, 09:21 AM   #164
Senior Collector
 
Robert Wycoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Bellaire (Houston), Texas
Posts: 198
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

I'm happy. It's better than some others I've seen. And it is better than the AF-1.

Last edited by Robert Wycoff; 07-17-2017 at 09:24 AM.
Robert Wycoff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2017, 09:34 AM   #165
Insane Collector
 
Blues Boy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,685
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Perhaps you can Code3 in some parts from kits like these.....

BB

Blues Boy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2017, 09:43 AM   #166
Senior Collector
 
Robert Wycoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Bellaire (Houston), Texas
Posts: 198
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Thanks for the tip.
Robert Wycoff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2017, 07:59 PM   #167
Reft crosed trafficah
 
Jumper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Upland, CA
Posts: 901
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

What, no barrel bombs?

Seriously tho, aren't Syrian ops planes dropping dumb bombs overwhelmingly? So no FAB-500s or whatever?

Last edited by Jumper; 07-17-2017 at 11:41 PM.
Jumper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2017, 12:52 AM   #168
Insane Collector
 
Blues Boy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,685
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ukrainian_Falcons View Post
Great news, HM have now decided to make Red 06 !!! Well done to those involved, DAC is once again at the forefront of improvements in this hobby.

Are you sure?

Just got this in yesterday's email....dated 07/16/17

Perhaps Pete (Pete's Collectible's) ...did not get the memo?

BB

Blues Boy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2017, 12:55 AM   #169
Senior Collector
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Kuala Lumpur
Posts: 321
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

One thing you can't fault HM is their promptness in replying your emails.

Late last night I asked William to look into scalemates kits.

Quote:
Thanks for the very quick reply.

A DAC member has given a link where 1/72 scale Soviet Air-to-Air Aircraft armament R-27ER, R-27ET, R-73, R-77 are available.

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/1015...craft-armament

Maybe those can help in your tooling for future Russian weapons.
Early in the morning he replied:
Quote:
We understand those weapons problem but tooling is very expensive so we can only supply what we have.

Thank you for the information again.

William
So looks like if we want weapons used in the Syrian war we will have to do ourselves using scalemates kits.
kltower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2017, 12:57 AM   #170
Senior Collector
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Kuala Lumpur
Posts: 321
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

BB, we are talking about the next iteration, i.e. HA5702
kltower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2017, 01:00 AM   #171
Insane Collector
 
Blues Boy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,685
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kltower View Post
BB, we are talking about the next iteration, i.e. HA5702
Oky Doky....thx

BB

Well at least this is the first time of the drawing...shown on this 4 page thread I believe...

Last edited by Blues Boy; 07-18-2017 at 01:06 AM.
Blues Boy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2017, 02:52 AM   #172
Complete Wacko!
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: timbuktu
Posts: 5,672
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blues Boy View Post
Oky Doky....thx

BB

Well at least this is the first time of the drawing...shown on this 4 page thread I believe...

well, that's a first!
tomcatter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2017, 08:14 AM   #173
Senior Collector
 
Robert Wycoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Bellaire (Houston), Texas
Posts: 198
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tomcatter View Post
well, that's a first!
Very confusing to talk about 5701 and 5702 in the same thread.
Robert Wycoff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2017, 10:23 PM   #174
Collector
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: PRG
Posts: 1,094
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adour View Post
We're all very keen to see an excellent model, and I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but perhaps people need to be a bit more judicious in their requests.

Side numbers, mission marks, radome diverter strips, ordnance, aerials - tick.
Windshield demist elements? Hang on, how would they implement that and how would it look? I'll bet the answers are "clumsily" and "like sh1t" respectively. Be careful what you ask for, you might just trash an otherwise acceptable model. Same goes for helmet vents, really? This is mass produced diecast not a custom plastic kit.

IMHO, of course.

“…people need to be a bit more judicious in their requests …… be careful what you ask for“… thanks for teaching others. But don´t be worried, I´m careful enough, Mom . Fyi it wasn´t request at all, rather a humble question. I asked question and William replied. That easy it was. Until you don´t ask, you never know how far HM wants to go with this important model. But again, thanks for takin´ care of me, Adour...

Windshield electric heating stripes: yes, even when visible from most angles these stripes may be insignificant detail compared to others. How they would look like? Of course I can´t tell - but nor can you. Does this look "clumsily" or "like sh1t" to you? To me not:




Helmet vents:
Perhaps we have different level of details perception. ZSH-7 series helmets with their large holes along the top to cut down wind resistance during ejection are simply distinctive and typical for almost all Russian pilots. And not only for SU-35 pilots, but also for Su-27, SU-30, SU-30SM, SU-25, Mig-29, Mig-31 and whatever other Russian jets HM might possibly make in the future within their Russian line-up. Therefore my thinking behind this was, that all the efforts with tampo-printing of Russian pilots helmets wouldn´t be only one-shot venture for HM, only for SU-35, but rather relatively easy way how to improve sometimes criticized HM pilot figures on all Russian pilots possibly made in future. When CalWings announced mass-produced painted F-14 pilot helmets, collectors were just amazed and nobody complained, afaik. Will someone be sending emails to Calibre Wings: “…helmet vents, really? SU-4 is mass produced diecast not a custom plastic kit, please no any holes on SU-24 helmets?” Of course not. Everybody´s happy. As I said, perhaps we have different level of details perception. Which is finally ok….



Quote:
Originally Posted by Ukrainian_Falcons View Post
Have to agree, some of these tiny improvements aren't possible nor would we want an unskilled labour force dealing with even more tiny details.
Just to explain - actually some of those improvements were rather pointing out of shortcomings that I´ve noticed on „05“ HA5702 artwork (missing white trapezoid antenna under the nose and not shortened canopy hump in the rear). Other tiny improvements - with utmost respect - I believe would be quite easily makeable if HM would decide to make them. Radome lightning stripes were already on HM F-16s. But I can understand that manufacturing of new diecast form for radome with stripes can be costly. But if so, there´s still chance to make them tampo-printed as Corgi successfully made on their Tonkas. Lightning stripes on SU-35 nose and cut-off rear of the canopy are so noticeable that were worth the efforts not only for Hasegawa, but also for unknown Chinese SU-35 manufacturer, for Terebo on their ´transparent engines´ SU-35 and also AF1 SU-35 have radome stripes (well, sort of …) as well “chopped” rear part of the canopy, so I don´t see any point why not to ask HM whether they are planning to make them on HM Flanker. Also painted pilot helmets are technically possible to mass-produce IMHO - if HM can paint goggles on pilot´s helmets, surely 5 black dots shouldn´t be big problem too. In time when HA5701 and HA5702 will be produced, HM´s new labour force will surely be more skilled as these workers will have some 10, 15 or 20 releases at least á 500pcs already finished at that time.

But I can understand reasoning based on cost vs. benefits viewpoint. This is probably key reason behind many decisions of mainstream diecast manufacturers. „Will the model sell better or for higher price if we make some detail or other?“ Obviously the answer is … „no“ in most cases. Big credits here to William as he is open to reasonable suggestions and sometimes he´s able to change this or that for the benefit of better model. Also, some details may look trivial and tiny on the model, but may be inappropriately costly in production - this I can understand too: when it comes to costs and benefits, these are of course solely HM´s territorial waters. All these reasons I understand - but you never know until you ask...



Well, enough for tiny improvements, I´m much more interested now if Syria SU-35 pilot will have correct flying suit color, and particularly - how will HM cope with the tricky burnt titanium engines coloring. Hoping for not just a plain color…
Ladia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2017, 10:59 PM   #175
Collector
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: PRG
Posts: 1,094
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Wycoff View Post
"Just hope HM will provide the R-77 air-to-air missiles and the wingtip L-265M10 ECM pods."

I can't tell; do those appear on Red 06?

As kltower already mentioned, all Syria SU-35s had R-77 missiles and wingtip L-265M10 ECM pods:
"03": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjHMaIOsDKc - time 0:22
"04": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpVEWipSx5k - video of loading R-77 missile
"06": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEppwQQmTjc - time from 1:07

"06":


(can´t help myself - what a fu...ing beauty...!!)
Ladia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2017, 07:44 AM   #176
Jaded Collector
 
Adour's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Home at last, crewing can s¥€<%#*
Posts: 422
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ladia View Post
But again, thanks for takin´ care of me, Adour...
You flatter my motives Ladia, but I'm afraid I have no interest at all in your personal well being. My only interest here is in getting a good model. I'm sure that a master collector such as your good self must be aware that most manufacturers, HM included, have a woeful lack of knowledge about the subjects that they are modelling.

In the case of HM the good news is that "HM listens", and the bad news is that - "HM listens". By that I mean that numerous models have been released with either technical or painting errors in direct consequence of listening to bad advice. Luckily for us you were only asking a "humble question", that I'm sure could not possibly have been misinterpreted as a suggestion or request. Again, my only interest is in not getting a f^<ked up model.

I'm not sure that you and I have a "different level of details perception", but we do seem to differ on their appearance when attempted in diecast. Looking at your canopy examples, as you know, real miniture detonating cord and lightning diverter strips are opaque and thin. In your examples Corgi and HM have produced transparent and hugely over-scale representations. They skate awfully close to being the dreaded "toylike" in appearance, but on balance, like you, I think they do enhance the models. That does not mean that I think they look realistic. To properly represent these features (and don't misunderstand me, I am in no way suggesting this), would require internal canopy painting or tampo printing. If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that HM could model windshield demist elements using the molding technique employed on the canopy. Well, apparently, unlike you I do have a pretty good idea of how that would look since I know the limit of HM's tooling resolution, which is obvious from looking at their models and talking to William. If you put an overscale detail on a large component it is barely noticeable. However, the same overscale detail on a much smaller component looks obviously wrong. I'm afraid that I do think that such an inaccurate and hugely overscale implementation would look clumsy, toylike and most definitely sh1t if done on a windshield. It does not mean that I think such details are insignificant, just that if HM went down that road it would look awful.

Look at an example you didn't give, Corgi's once common removable engine cover feature. Well, aeroplanes have engines and engine covers and of course such details are not insignificant. However, the Corgi diecast implementation was clumsy and toylike. Some people like them, they are entitled to their opinion. Mine is that they look like sh1t. Great on a plastic kit, but some things shouldn't be done on mass produced diecast.

Helmet vents, maybe, if they want to tool a new modern Russian pilot figure. Not fine to attempt on their standard jet smurf. I'm afraid I do think they'd have a problem with "five black dots".

Radome diverter strips? I agree with you, sorry if that wasn't clear. It's what I meant by "tick".

Flying suit colours? Absolutely. HM can do it but for some reason they usually need to be prompted.

Engine colouring? Worth a try, but the days when HM were capable of such subtleties appear to be long gone, unfortunately.

With all due respect.

From "not your mother".


Last edited by Adour; 07-19-2017 at 08:17 AM.
Adour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2017, 07:54 AM   #177
Collector
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: PRG
Posts: 1,094
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Perfectly have we cleared it.
None of above mentioned SU-35 details will be present anyway, so actually nothing to speak about in the end ...
Ladia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2017, 10:07 AM   #178
The Collector
 
Ukrainian_Falcons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 5,382
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Apologises Ladia, my comment was not aimed at your suggestions, more so at the lack of ability of the manus to add them successfully.
Ukrainian_Falcons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2017, 06:02 PM   #179
Collector
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: PRG
Posts: 1,094
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

No problem at all, UF .

Btw, in your counting of improvements that were successfully suggested by forum members - have you included SU-35 canopy, shorter NLG and more detailed vertical tail fins? If not yet, then you can include three more. (... hoping the counting will not spark any undue competition )
Ladia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2017, 07:03 PM   #180
Collector
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: PRG
Posts: 1,094
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Sorry, I´ve moved my great, exciting, interesting, informative and totally gibberish post to the new HA5702 thread created by kltower.

Last edited by Ladia; 07-19-2017 at 07:31 PM.
Ladia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2017, 02:35 AM   #181
The Collector
 
Ukrainian_Falcons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 5,382
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ladia View Post
No problem at all, UF .

Btw, in your counting of improvements that were successfully suggested by forum members - have you included SU-35 canopy, shorter NLG and more detailed vertical tail fins? If not yet, then you can include three more. (... hoping the counting will not spark any undue competition )
Cool, your input on this forum and into improving models is highly valued.

Actually I only counted per model improved, not actual improvements. So far I count Aerobatic Fishbed, NVAF Fresco, Traitor Foxbat, both Su-35's, Cherry Girl Thud and the half is for the Czech Flogger but unconfirmed if suggestions were taken up, apparently an expert in Czech aviation was being consulted for advice.

Did I miss anything ? I've spoken about the Polish Flogger with HM but I wouldn't consider anything talked about as improvements.

Last edited by Ukrainian_Falcons; 07-20-2017 at 02:38 AM.
Ukrainian_Falcons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2017, 04:59 AM   #182
The Collector
 
Ukrainian_Falcons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 5,382
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Things were looking good to begin with:


Colours were on point:



Then Hobby Master's factory had other plans....



It appears Hobby Master still hasn't quiet finished using up those barrels of Eagle Blue so now they adding a touch to grey Russian models

On the plus side, the Syrian deployment Flanker should be blue
Ukrainian_Falcons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2017, 08:03 PM   #183
The Collector
 
Ukrainian_Falcons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 5,382
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Ohhhh I see what I issue is here, HM are making the Flanke not Flanker

Ukrainian_Falcons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2017, 04:31 AM   #184
Insane Collector
 
tker76's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Perth
Posts: 1,820
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Su-35, NATO reporting name Flank-E..

No, wait.. That's not right
tker76 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2017, 04:41 AM   #185
Complete Wacko!
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: timbuktu
Posts: 5,672
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

that stand boo boo kinda reminded me of another misspell not too long ago ("sclae" instead of "scale"):

http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...de-cf-sst.html
tomcatter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2017, 06:03 AM   #186
The Collector
 
Ukrainian_Falcons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 5,382
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tomcatter View Post
that stand boo boo kinda reminded me of another misspell not too long ago ("sclae" instead of "scale"):

http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...de-cf-sst.html
Yeah well this is on a model ppl might actually buy though

Considering HM are still trying to use up those barrels of blue, the stand is the least of anyone's problem.
Ukrainian_Falcons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2017, 01:45 PM   #187
Complete Wacko!
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: timbuktu
Posts: 5,672
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)-2017-10-12-00-16-22.jpg

well she's finally just landed. well not exactly just... but i only just had time to unbox this beauty. the first thing i noticed is that this model (as with many of hm's recent releases) is pretty light for such a huge model. the cost of diecast alloy must be soaring.

some minor issue with the fitment of the mlg bay doors (it's not even featured in the assembly instruction sheet!). doesn't quite fit. same with the underbelly missiles, extremely tight fit. and again, you gotto remove the rear missile to fit its stand. not really a big issue considering af1 never even provided the missiles in the first place.

paint app is crisp (way way better than af1's pathetic effort) although i get the impression that hm slacked on the detailing (i may be wrong as the actual plane may have lacked the details commonly associated with operational birds)... and the ordnance is pretty basic (all grey bombs? like seriously?).

anyway, that's it for now. just a quick unbox and a single pic. a pretty awesome first effort with no noticeable filing marks
tomcatter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2017, 04:14 AM   #188
Master Collector
 
cheesecake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Angers - France
Posts: 954
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Good idea to compare with AF1 version...
And clearly a great model... even if i save my money for the next model to come !
cheesecake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2017, 05:05 AM   #189
Complete Wacko!
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: timbuktu
Posts: 5,672
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)

Quote:
Originally Posted by cheesecake View Post
Good idea to compare with AF1 version...
And clearly a great model... even if i save my money for the next model to come !
that's certainly on my must-buy list too. i doubt the optional decal model will sell though...
tomcatter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2019, 05:58 PM   #190
Collector
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: PRG
Posts: 1,094
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype ph

Posting here as "basic" HM SU-35 thread:

JFYI - this is a nice photo of how actually Diverter strips for lightning protection - as they are officially called - look like on real SU-35:


Looking at this photo - raised, padprinted or recessed lightning stripes - all would be correct on 1/72 SU-35s.
Ladia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2019, 06:47 PM   #191
Sukhoi Collector
 
plane737's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Winchester
Age: 46
Posts: 1,923
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype ph

Did not want to post this last week as it was unnoficial.Still kind of is really though but interesting nevertheless. Egyptian SU-35's coming next year.
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...es-deal-su-35s

Last edited by plane737; 03-22-2019 at 06:49 PM.
plane737 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2019, 06:52 PM   #192
Sukhoi Collector
 
plane737's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Winchester
Age: 46
Posts: 1,923
Default Re: Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype ph

How will they look? Maybe like their MiG-35's?

Hobby Master Sukhoi Su 35 HA5701 (prototype photos)-35950597870_5f65e82f75_b.jpg
plane737 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:44 PM.

Latest Threads
- by chekur6
 

Models of the Week
 



Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.