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Old 05-24-2017, 06:13 AM   #51
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SKF - I always enjoy your always thorough and professional-standard photo reviews, and have found them very useful in terms of making me excited for pre-orders, weeding out a number of models I had been considering, but which turned out to not quite be my thing on closer inspection (for which my wallet is highly grateful ) and even deciding to pull the trigger on a model I had not been interested in!

It would be a loss if you were to stop posting, and I very much hope you decide not to go down that path. While I can understand your rancour, I do, OTOH, understand the mod's issue with posting references to the specific other forum mentioned given the recent spate of execrable behaviour from certain virulently vociferous members of said forum as well as recent incidents of rule breaking/bullying by its proponents before they were permanently banned.

However, it would be a very great shame were you to let a bad experience stop you from providing content you clearly take pleasure and pride in creating, and which is, as I mentioned, of a very high standard indeed (to the point "professional" is not hyperbolic )

WRT to people criticising models, and while I agree entirely it can get tiresome when coming from people who do not themselves buy many models anyway, I have to say overall I actually think it is healthy for the hobby. Most here who pass comments (praiseful or critical) do so because they actually buy models, so it is not pointless noise. This is particularly true as recently HM seem to be listening to collectors again, responding with changes to releases which have made a number of recent models much better than the pre-prods in terms of both accuracy and QC.

This is great, and can only be good for sales which are what keeps the hobby alive.

This is notably in marked contrast to the bad old days when the "DAC Gestapo" ruthlessly suppressed any discussion which wasn't slavishly adoring - for a while there HM even stopped bothering with pre-prods and QC suffered dreadfully.

Happily though QC seems to be back on the up, and I honestly think both your professional reviews and the voices of collectors have influenced that positive trend
not to mention we're seeing more russian birds
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Sorry but no, that's not how it works, copying text from one board to another doesn't magically add a link to that site and magically adds "Read more" at that.

I must confess. When I first saw your post, I thought it's just usual UF being a dck. Here's UF kicking a member for misspelling a title or whatever. But that picture is worth a thousand words and it gives all the context. If indeed that is what SKF wrote in the title, then I would be pretty disapointed. That's pretty low of him especially considering what's happened here in the last few months. "Read more" does not just magically appear when you copy paste a title if the source material originally did not have it. No way that is an accident. I would appreciate SKF's explanation for the rationale behind it because right now it looks pretty bad. If the link leads to a thread in MH3 with the intention of leading the viewer to a more detailed information about the model, then I can even forgive that. But if he's only linking to the review he's already posted there, with the same exact content which is what it looks like then quite frankly he is begging the mod to take some action. I am a member of both forums and I don't like cheap shots directed by one forumer to another no matter who does it. I agree with FS and TKer in that I also think that losing SKF in this forum would be loss just as I thought losing ACpilot was a loss. Despite all the bickering, when someone posts a detailed review of a model whether we like that person or not, it benefits us all. When someone takes his time to know and give us the latest updates for future releases etc, that benefits us all and that's what SKF and Dan did for the most part. With that said however, the mod has all the right to ban and remind everyone not to overstep some boundaries
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Tim_1/72 I never BS, I'll leave that to the likes of those ex members and this member in question

It was a clear attempt to poach members, which is really quiet sad, then again I'm sure they've been doing that already yet the stats don't show that other site to be anymore relevant to this hobby then it was before

I guess someone still needs to prove they bring in the traffic in order to keep getting those freebies, again I don't BS, like me or not, don't really GAF lol but I know one thing, I'm not a fake **** pretending to be everybodies bUddie
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When someone takes his time to know and give us the latest updates for future releases etc, that benefits us all and that's what SKF and Dan did for the most part.
Dan's commitment to religiously creating reliably formatted threads, about aircraft from multiple diecast manufacturers, regardless of his personal affection for the scheme, was a great asset to the forum. I welcome everyone to check those critical facts, and check out his profile. If anyone believes any claim that a successful military and airline pilot requires supplementary income from free diecast models, is in need of deep self-reflection, and would be unfair to mock them. Debate on quality are par for the course, people can "keep whinging about it, hobbies still gonna keep rolling(sic)".

SKF's top notch photo-reviews are another example of personal sacrifice to the dedication of the hobby. I don't believe my thoughts on his treatment will survive moderation.

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It just happened to copy "Read more at..."
To be accurate, the website "m*****ang" doesn't exist. It is expectation bias at work here, and is much ado about nothing. Of factual note, the screenshot posted by UF, is under the tker76 login.
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Good catch. Something is not right here. Also why is the title different from the heading of the very first post?? That never happens. You cannot edit the title of post #1. You can for post #2 onward but not the first post which is of the author. What the hell is going on here

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A concerned member supplied the proof, oh yeah that changes everything, I must use that logic if ever I'm charged with a criminal offence and someone other then the police provides 100% proof positive evidence

Tim, you can edit titles in the post but you can't go back and edit the threads main title, just like I did with this post. He simply edited the title in the post but couldn't for the main title.

Oh yes please do view his profile (acpilot) and see all the shilling threads that were created because that's what his contract stipulates. You talk about these threads as if they were all posts about the actual model that was bought and shared on this site, they were nothing more then marketing threads.

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Mea culpa - I took the screencap, but (as mentioned above in post with quote), because I thought OP might edit out reference to review being of TFM special pre-prod, not actual release.

That it captured title before make.me.laugh edited it was happy accident..

Anyway, haven't we seen enough of this meta stuff? Let's stick to rules, be polite, and talk models, shall we?

Can we? Please..
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Sorry but no, that's not how it works, copying text from one board to another doesn't magically add a link to that site and magically adds "Read more" at that.


See it's exactly this sort of mentality that you have that nit picks everything including models. My question is why? Does this give you some sort of ego boost?

I already explained: when I copied the title, it was a hyperlink, and it automatically showed up "Read more at"...that's why I edited immediately to get rid of it but you can't edit the original title. If you don't believe me try it yourself and see if the title changes. Never in the history of me posting here have I ever added a "read more at" in my reviews...so why would I start now. You never give anyone any benefit of the doubt and you just start attacking and saying this is BS. Have I offended you in some way?

This is exactly why I'm not going to post any further reviews on this forum. If UF wants this forum so bad, by all means, go ahead and have it. I've already posted new reviews elsewhere and excluded this forum.
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Old 05-24-2017, 12:43 PM   #59
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[B]To be accurate, the website "m*****ang" doesn't exist. It is expectation bias at work here, and is much ado about nothing. [B]Of factual note, the screenshot posted by UF, is under the tker76 login.
that's a mischievous claim, monsieur mover shaker. no idea why you're even attempting to deceive the masses for even suggesting the link doesn't exist. that link appears incomplete only because of the length characters permitted for thread titles and i'm sure you're well aware of the attempt to get dac members to view the other forum by the provision of such links.

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Good catch. Something is not right here. Also why is the title different from the heading of the very first post?? That never happens. You cannot edit the title of post #1. You can for post #2 onward but not the first post which is of the author. What the hell is going on here
no, it's not a good catch. regardless of the source, monsieur skf did post links to another forum and that's really mischievous. accidental cut and paste? i'm pretty sure monsieur skf didn't need tutorials from monsieur tker on how to start threads and playing innocent card comes unravelled by such screenshots. i can vouch that that was indeed how the title appeared (with the links). i do however give monsieur skf the benefit that perhaps he did pm the mods to edit the thread title... although his ban does seem to suggest otherwise?
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A couple years back I remember where there was some script or whatever, where if you copied and pasted news articles in a forum I frequent it would insert text with a certain nonsensical phrasein the post somewhere. This was like 12 years+ ago, so before the current bot-driven fake news. It was just something that automatically populated if you did a copy and paste, I'm guessing to show it as borrowed content that bypassed a news site's ads. I'm seeing it called a Replacement Variable?

Anyway, if the thread was created elsewhere, maybe that automatically populated?

As far as 'see more over there', not a whole lot more to see, the post is identical over there. As I'm sure it is elsewhere too. There aren't just two diecast websites.

UKF, enough already, relax. SKF has been a huge contributor to this site, and not just the military subforum. I really appreciate his photography, and it's not limited to models, quite a few airshow threads by him with some great pics. Also I've purchased from him over ebay, good seller.
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Ok, relaxing
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lol... still so full of yourself with that change of avatar, eh?
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lol... still so full of yourself with that change of avatar, eh?
No not really, just a regular collector that loves a joke considering I some how want this forum nothing to do with wanting it not to become another viral marketing portal.
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No not really, just a regular collector that loves a joke considering I some how want this forum nothing to do with wanting it not to become another viral marketing portal.
whatever monsieur uf says...
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This is exactly why I'm not going to post any further reviews on this forum. If UF wants this forum so bad, by all means, go ahead and have it. I've already posted new reviews elsewhere and excluded this forum.
Your treatment by some members here has been disgraceful. The range of accusations, the PM of screencaps (who does that??), and the attack on your integrity was really disappointing to see.

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Your treatment by some members here has been disgraceful. The range of accusations, the PM of screencaps (who does that??), and the attack on your integrity was really disappointing to see.
hear hear. There's really only one obvious problem here (and SKF of course wasn't it). And today said problem is desperately trying to prove his value today with a series of uncharacteristically topical posts. But we all know the next round of dickishness is just around the corner.
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sad to say i too have basically given up posting/posting pics here. will not be updating my tomcat + phantom threads etc. sadly the 'few' spoil it for the many!!!
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Your treatment by some members here has been disgraceful. The range of accusations, the PM of screencaps (who does that??), and the attack on your integrity was really disappointing to see.

Your absence will be felt by the reduction of traffic registered by the marketing widgets
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good one, monsieur movie shaker! so that was what the link back was all about... a marketing "widget" for the other forum. it all makes sense now

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hear hear. There's really only one obvious problem here (and SKF of course wasn't it). And today said problem is desperately trying to prove his value today with a series of uncharacteristically topical posts. But we all know the next round of dickishness is just around the corner.
he's trying hard, eh? but that change in avatar? hmm...

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sad to say i too have basically given up posting/posting pics here. will not be updating my tomcat + phantom threads etc. sadly the 'few' spoil it for the many!!!
i guess it's a case of "share where you like and like where you share™ monsieur robertjon5...
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...I can vouch that that was indeed how the title appeared (with the links). i do however give monsieur skf the benefit that perhaps he did pm the mods to edit the thread title... although his ban does seem to suggest otherwise?
I can categorically state that I received NO PM from skf requesting a change of title or removal of link text. I did receive several Reports from other members of the breach of DAC forum rules tho, and that is why I changed/removed the link from the title.

Furthermore, if it was a mistake, skf only needed to delete his first post with that title and start again. Otherwise he could have PM'ed me requesting I remove the link from the title thread. Neither of these happened.

As such I was left with no option but to follow the forum rules which state:
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That's why skf recieved a 7 day ban, which I reduced to 4 days. I did this because skf is such a good contributer on DAC. He posts many interesting articles, often joins in and posts really good photos too. I gave him the benefit of the doubt that it may have been an oversight. Had he PM'ed me immediately it happened with an apology and requesting I change it, then no suspension would have happened.

If... IF... it happens again, same procedures will be followed. If the same member does it again, (and once again, NO PM is received) then yes the consequences will be compounded, possibly leading to a total ban (but... I hope not). Only time will tell.

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Lou, how could I PM you if you banned me immediately when I posted this thread? You of all people should have seen that I clearly made the edit on the title right when I posted it realizing the mistake, but you are so quick to pull the trigger. You got rid of all the big contributors on this forum and leave only the trolls. And now you manage to push me away as well. Never again will I post any more photos on this forum.

You stated that posting the links to site compete with the mission of DAC. And what is that mission? To bash on all models? Seriously you need to reflect on your actions as a MOD. If you want to accept the responsibilities then you need to act with a more level head.

If you want to get rid of me, fine. Then I want you to take down EVERY SINGLE article I started, EVERY single review I posted as well. I no longer want to support DAC's traffic volume, I brought in a lot of people to visit the forums due to these reviews and you treat me like this?
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You got rid of all the big contributors on this forum and leave only the trolls.
If everyone left here at this Military Model Aircraft Forum are "trolls" ....and that would include those members that don't post or rarely post but yet visit the forum....then perhaps leaving is a wise choice for you..........To call everyone "trolls" is insulting even to members you don't know.

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Who are these "trolls" SKF ?

I know I'm one now according to you even though I never said a bad word about you till this stunt and I have always appreciated your reviews, heck I owe my JASDF theme to your review of HA1927.

So who are the others ? Or do you mean other people with a sense of humor.

Believe it or not (and I don't mean this personally about you) it's not a prerequisite to be uptight about everything in this hobby and humor is not trolling and there's nothing stopping others from growing a funny bone, they might enjoy the internet abit more, some I don't know how they have lasted 5 minutes on the internet and probably think the word meme is another word for French mime artist, that's how out of touch they are with the times.

But ok, I'll be the bigger man and apologise for my involvement in this thread, perhaps I'm not as trusting as used to be in light of the recent trolling by lurking members of other forums.

As for "big ex contributors" nope, there's only 1 person I can think of that you mean this seriously about and I'm sorry but being the forum news gestapo is not being a big contributor at all to be quite honest really, especially when there's secret deals going on and bully to cover that up but you probably know this already no doubt.
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Everyone cool dwn now. Any insult on any level from the anonymity sitting behind the monitor is mindless at best...
I have enjoyed SKF's reviews and hope to be able to read them and see pics before decision making in future too.
And I also liked his statement about the "benefit of the doubt".
So what he posted a link once? The MODs too should investigate first before jumping to conclusion as a general rule.
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SKF - I always enjoy your always thorough and professional-standard photo reviews, and have found them very useful in terms of making me excited for pre-orders, weeding out a number of models I had been considering, but which turned out to not quite be my thing on closer inspection (for which my wallet is highly grateful ) and even deciding to pull the trigger on a model I had not been interested in!

It would be a loss if you were to stop posting, and I very much hope you decide not to go down that path. While I can understand your rancour, I do, OTOH, understand the mod's issue with posting references to the specific other forum mentioned given the recent spate of execrable behaviour from certain virulently vociferous members of said forum as well as recent incidents of rule breaking/bullying by its proponents before they were permanently banned.

However, it would be a very great shame were you to let a bad experience stop you from providing content you clearly take pleasure and pride in creating, and which is, as I mentioned, of a very high standard indeed (to the point "professional" is not hyperbolic )

WRT to people criticising models, and while I agree entirely it can get tiresome when coming from people who do not themselves buy many models anyway, I have to say overall I actually think it is healthy for the hobby. Most here who pass comments (praiseful or critical) do so because they actually buy models, so it is not pointless noise. This is particularly true as recently HM seem to be listening to collectors again, responding with changes to releases which have made a number of recent models much better than the pre-prods in terms of both accuracy and QC.

This is great, and can only be good for sales which are what keeps the hobby alive.

This is notably in marked contrast to the bad old days when the "DAC Gestapo" ruthlessly suppressed any discussion which wasn't slavishly adoring - for a while there HM even stopped bothering with pre-prods and QC suffered dreadfully.

Happily though QC seems to be back on the up, and I honestly think both your professional reviews and the voices of collectors have influenced that positive trend
Hear, hear. As long as HM continue to listen to criticism and try to improve on them, more people will be interested in buying the product.

As for SKF, thanks for your posts, the past few years I just visited this forum as a guest to help me decide on what to buy or not. And honestly some of your posts helped me decide. So, tough it out and move on.
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