After receipt of the model and immediately discovered a factory defect on it, I decided to just fix it myself... however, just when I thought I will not do a panel shade / wash on the model, I decided to push through with it. It did feel like something is missing without it and knew immediately I am way more satisfied about this model when I was done.
Sukhoi Flankers are just amazing. They look elegant and can perform amazing maneuvers as if it is dancing in the bright blue sky... and then alas! You realize this is still a flying weapon...
yes it is. in terms of design, i'm all for fulcrum and flankers. it's a departure from the era when russian flying machines resembled their cold war counterpart. to each his own. problem with collecting flankers is that they take up A LOT of space. a good problem, though.
yes it is. in terms of design, i'm all for fulcrum and flankers. it's a departure from the era when russian flying machines resembled their cold war counterpart. to each his own. problem with collecting flankers is that they take up A LOT of space. a good problem, though.
It is such a massive bird. When I sat it next to my F-15, I really saw the difference! And the box... But overall, a really nice aircraft model. Don't mind getting one more, depending on what JC plans to release over time.
It is such a massive bird. When I sat it next to my F-15, I really saw the difference! And the box... But overall, a really nice aircraft model. Don't mind getting one more, depending on what JC plans to release over time.
you'll be even more surprised when you line it up against the blackbird! i was! well i suppose if you were limiting yourself to just another one flanker, then yeah, hold out for a better scheme. the ukrainian digital camo flanker would be top of my list. just love the camo on the flankers...
After receipt of the model and immediately discovered a factory defect on it, I decided to just fix it myself... however, just when I thought I will not do a panel shade / wash on the model, I decided to push through with it. It did feel like something is missing without it and knew immediately I am way more satisfied about this model when I was done.
Sukhoi Flankers are just amazing. They look elegant and can perform amazing maneuvers as if it is dancing in the bright blue sky... and then alas! You realize this is still a flying weapon...
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yes it is. in terms of design, i'm all for fulcrum and flankers. it's a departure from the era when russian flying machines resembled their cold war counterpart. to each his own. problem with collecting flankers is that they take up A LOT of space. a good problem, though.
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you'll be even more surprised when you line it up against the blackbird! i was! well i suppose if you were limiting yourself to just another one flanker, then yeah, hold out for a better scheme. the ukrainian digital camo flanker would be top of my list. just love the camo on the flankers...
i wouldn't mind a couple more platypus... but i do have a personal preference for sleeker tandem seats.
The two seater Sukhoi mold is proof that Witty improved on their tooling and glad that someone took their stuff after their demise. Now my other wish is that someone revise the single seater mold as well and get the front fuselage right!
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Today's contribution : showing the same aircraft from my previous post but from another view showing off the panel wash that I did. The result maybe a hate it or love it thing for you, so either I will say "I am sorry" or "Thank you for your appreciation".
Last edited by SweptWings; 04-09-2017 at 02:30 AM.
mine will probably look like this in ten year's time
Patience is the key
Panelwashing gives model aircraft, especially the Russian ones the real look like the aircraft themselves. Looking very nice on that Su-30 you have there, it certainly is a much improved mold for sure
mine will probably look like this in ten year's time
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Patience is the key
Panelwashing gives model aircraft, especially the Russian ones the real look like the aircraft themselves. Looking very nice on that Su-30 you have there, it certainly is a much improved mold for sure
I agree!
...Here's another photo for the day with the same model involved!
So loving this model!!!
In my opinion, a good angle should we come very close to the real aircraft. That sense of feeling like you're approaching the aircraft as ground crew or as the pilot himself about to do some pre-flight checks (though I am not sure too sure if that is applicable because I photoshopped the "mirage" effect coming from the engine nozzles -- meaning the engines are already running!)
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Sweptwings, your work on the Su-30 is brilliant, had JCW been able to do that level of weathering, that would have been a lot better then the average paint job they originally did.
Sweptwings, your work on the Su-30 is brilliant, had JCW been able to do that level of weathering, that would have been a lot better then the average paint job they originally did.
Thanks! I am happy myself the weathering I applied turned out exactly how I want it. But then, you gotta give some credit to the subtle panel lines and rivets common to the mold originally from Witty Wings is helpful at some extent.
Thanks! I am happy myself the weathering I applied turned out exactly how I want it. But then, you gotta give some credit to the subtle panel lines and rivets common to the mold originally from Witty Wings is helpful at some extent.
you're spot on there. jcw uses those panel lines and rivet circles to good use when weathering the tomcats... but somehow decided against weathering the flankers.
...Here's another photo for the day with the same model involved!
So loving this model!!!
With your weathering / panel wash its completely different model. Much more attractive. Really envy. Which weathering / panel wash technique you used this time?
With your weathering / panel wash its completely different model. Much more attractive. Really envy. Which weathering / panel wash technique you used this time?
With your weathering / panel wash its completely different model. Much more attractive. Really envy. Which weathering / panel wash technique you used this time?
Water based paint (90% black, 10% white) with dish-washing liquid and a good dose of water to dilute the mixture. The finish on this model is a bit gritty (matte), so what I do first is wipe the model with a moistened cotton, almost rubbing it in an attempt to dampen the model's surface. While it is still damp, the mix I use is applied on the panel lines with a sable brush. The dampened surface allows the mixture to run through the panel lines and rivets nicely and any excess "bleeds" outwards of those panel lines and rivet circles which aids create the weathering/clouding/shading between panels. I do the application several times since the mixture is very diluted -- but this is also the key! By repetition of application of the mixture, you slowly accumulate the amount of weathering / panel shading needed for a more natural weathering and panel shading effect on the model.
Water based paint (90% black, 10% white) with dish-washing liquid and a good dose of water to dilute the mixture. The finish on this model is a bit gritty (matte), so what I do first is wipe the model with a moistened cotton, almost rubbing it in an attempt to dampen the model's surface. While it is still damp, the mix I use is applied on the panel lines with a sable brush. The dampened surface allows the mixture to run through the panel lines and rivets nicely and any excess "bleeds" outwards of those panel lines and rivet circles which aids create the weathering/clouding/shading between panels. I do the application several times since the mixture is very diluted -- but this is also the key! By repetition of application of the mixture, you slowly accumulate the amount of weathering / panel shading needed for a more natural weathering and panel shading effect on the model.
The dampened surface allows the mixture to run through the panel lines and rivets
Dampening the surface to allow panel wash spread into surroundings looks to me like a clever idea. I understand that surface shouldn´t be moistened too much, no water staying inside panel lines, just wet surface, right?
The mix I use is applied on the panel lines with a sable brush
You apply panel wash so that you drip wash onto panel lines and let the mix flow (run) inside the lines? Or you just "paint" panel lines with kinda semi-wet brush?
I do the application several times
After each application you let the wash completely dry and once dry you moisten the area again and then you make next layer of wash?
Or you moisten particular part of the model only once and before it dries (which can be maybe in 1-2 minutes...) you apply several washes?
And finally:
after everytings done and dried, how resistant is this wash to touch?
The dampened surface allows the mixture to run through the panel lines and rivets
Dampening the surface to allow panel wash spread into surroundings looks to me like a clever idea. I understand that surface shouldn´t be moistened too much, no water staying inside panel lines, just wet surface, right?
Hmmm... the word for me is damp. You know, like when you soak fabric on water and then wring the excess out... it's like that...There's a sensation of moisture, but not exactly soaking wet.
The mix I use is applied on the panel lines with a sable brush
You apply panel wash so that you drip wash onto panel lines and let the mix flow (run) inside the lines? Or you just "paint" panel lines with kinda semi-wet brush?
Almost a combination of pin wash and brush over the panel lines. The mixture is so diluted, once the brush is run on a corner of a panel line, the mixture runs through those lines, and then you still brush a bit over it too.
I do the application several times
After each application you let the wash completely dry and once dry you moisten the area again and then you make next layer of wash?
Or you moisten particular part of the model only once and before it dries (which can be maybe in 1-2 minutes...) you apply several washes?
As mentioned earlier, the model's surface is made damp. While the surface is still damp, apply wash mixture on the panel lines. Just before it completely dries up ("keeping an eye" your work because I really am unable to give you an estimated time depending on your climate and if its humid, remember, we're dealing with really diluted mixture here), wipe with moist cloth/paper towel/cotton. Repeat again to achieve more weathering effect.
And finally:
after everytings done and dried, how resistant is this wash to touch?
The color of mixture is retained mostly. And remember how the surface of the model itself is a bit gritty/grainy? Some of the mixture will go to those "microscopic" level of nooks and crevices and will stay there. As long as it is normal handling you should be okay. I tried rubbing the finished work a moist cotton to clean what I believe are excesses, some of them will go, some will stay.
Thanks
Good Luck!
Admittedly, this technique isn't the end-all and be-all when I apply weathering on my models. I even have to carefully analyze the original condition of the model's surface too. Some model finishes are satin, some are even gloss, and then you have some real matte. I have to adjust my mixture and the number of repetitions when I apply the wash...
I guess it's where it becomes art. I try to get a feel of the work too... You kinda' have to trust your guts and feel if you're gonna mess up or not. I think it helps when you do light washes and repeat several times because this way you have more chances to observe the result before you have the sense if you're gonna go wrong. If you think it feels right, then that's where it's time to stop.
Even when I don´t understand almost a single word (apart of "Good luck" in the end), many thanks for kind and extremely thorough explanation, SweptWings.
Definitely will need to practise on some junkyard model, I believe that when trying hard and after number of repetitions I´ll better understand all those damp / moist / wet differences, what´s pin wash etc. Your results are really tempting.
Even when I don´t understand almost a single word (apart of "Good luck" in the end), many thanks for kind and extremely thorough explanation, SweptWings.
Definitely will need to practise on some junkyard model, I believe that when trying hard and after number of repetitions I´ll better understand all those damp / moist / wet differences, what´s pin wash etc. Your results are really tempting.
My apologies if I am unable to help... I guess some things are just hard to put to words.
I agree, you want to practice first on some models you feel like is ready to be the subject of experimentation. Experience is still our greatest teacher!
Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker-E : Loving that dark purple color. Anyone here know exactly what kind of tactical advantage such color will have in air combat? My guess is that in a clear, very blue sky this aircraft would blend really well... but I could be wrong...
you've got quite a collection of flankers in your hangar, eh monsieur sweptwings? hoping some other manu does a better su35... but for now, i could live with the af1 version.
you've got quite a collection of flankers in your hangar, eh monsieur sweptwings? hoping some other manu does a better su35... but for now, i could live with the af1 version.
Whuuut!? This is just my second Flanker. The other one is my 2-seat from JC Wings.
I wonder how the collecting community will react if HM, by surprise, announces they'll be making Flankers?
While I am sure to go for that, I am worried they'll have problems when it comes to colors...
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Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker-E : Loving that dark purple color. Anyone here know exactly what kind of tactical advantage such color will have in air combat? My guess is that in a clear, very blue sky this aircraft would blend really well... but I could be wrong...
Sources say its a radar absorbant paint on that purple SU-35.
Topsides colors have nothing to do with blue sky - from the top sides warplanes are painted to make them look like ground (or sea) from above - not against the sky.
From below its opposite and so has SU-35 light blue paint on the belly in order not to be seen from the ground against blue sky.
But there´s also other factor to consider - to what extent is the SU-35´s dark purple color intended for nightime operations...
Whuuut!? This is just my second Flanker. The other one is my 2-seat from JC Wings.
I wonder how the collecting community will react if HM, by surprise, announces they'll be making Flankers?
While I am sure to go for that, I am worried they'll have problems when it comes to colors...
I think you needn´t to worry, SW . Check this site: sukhoi.mariwoj.pl/
There are all Flanker variants: one seaters / tandem seaters / twin seaters, on the left there are all operators. I believe its enough variations to choose from, and if HM Flanker will be decent, possibly even the best mold on the market, many collectors will buy also schemes which they normally don´t collect, such as Kazachstan, India etc. Moreover if HM makes Su-35, there´s brand new operator with great selling potential for HM - China.
Last edited by Ladia; 04-28-2017 at 06:22 AM.
Reason: ...tere are all operators ... there are all operators ....
I think you needn´t to worry, SW . Check this site: sukhoi.mariwoj.pl/
There are all Flanker variants: one seaters / tandem seaters / twin seaters, on the left tere are all operators. I believe its enough variations to choose from, and if HM Flanker will be decent, possibly even the best mold on the market, many collectors will buy also schemes which they normally don´t collect, such as Kazachstan, India etc. Moreover if HM makes Su-35, there´s brand new operator with great selling potential for HM - China.
lol... i'd buy the kazakhstan flanker even if jcw did them
Sources say its a radar absorbant paint on that purple SU-35.
Topsides colors have nothing to do with blue sky - from the top sides warplanes are painted to make them look like ground (or sea) from above - not against the sky.
From below its opposite and so has SU-35 light blue paint on the belly in order not to be seen from the ground against blue sky.
But there´s also other factor to consider - to what extent is the SU-35´s dark purple color intended for nightime operations...
So it's a night fighter? Nice... I think that makes this plane such an @$$ kicker!
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I think you needn´t to worry, SW . Check this site: sukhoi.mariwoj.pl/
There are all Flanker variants: one seaters / tandem seaters / twin seaters, on the left there are all operators. I believe its enough variations to choose from, and if HM Flanker will be decent, possibly even the best mold on the market, many collectors will buy also schemes which they normally don´t collect, such as Kazachstan, India etc. Moreover if HM makes Su-35, there´s brand new operator with great selling potential for HM - China.
Super Thanks! What an amazing informational website!