The shiny finish on the CF-104s was very good - I'm sure they could do this scheme justice too.
Many collectors consider the "shiny surface" HM-HA1011 (RCAF Starfighter) to be one of HM's finest diecast models. Also, HM's USAF Sabres, HA4306 and HA4307, are awesome examples of "shiny surface" schemes. Time for an RCAF "shiny surface" Sabre...
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Many collectors consider the "shiny surface" HM-HA1011 (RCAF Starfighter) to be one of HM's finest diecast models. Also, HM's USAF Sabres, HA4306 and HA4307, are awesome examples of "shiny surface" schemes. Time for an RCAF "shiny surface" Sabre...
By shiny surface, do you mean like polished or bare metal ? I have the JASDF F-104 which is supposed to mimic a polish effect but it's not really.
If you mean bare metal, HM does that very well and I'm sure it'll be something they might consider as a low unit split run, please anything but another USAF Sabre from Nork
By shiny surface, do you mean like polished or bare metal ? I have the JASDF F-104 which is supposed to mimic a polish effect but it's not really.
If you mean bare metal, HM does that very well and I'm sure it'll be something they might consider as a low unit split run, please anything but another USAF Sabre from Nork
Precisely UK, "polished or bare metal"... RCAF F-101 Voodoo, HA3709, is another fine example of a "polished/bare metal" HM diecast a/c. Attached is an excellent "ACPilot" photo of this model...
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By shiny surface, do you mean like polished or bare metal ? I have the JASDF F-104 which is supposed to mimic a polish effect but it's not really.
If you mean bare metal, HM does that very well and I'm sure it'll be something they might consider as a low unit split run, please anything but another USAF Sabre from Nork
IIRC the CF-104 was outsourced to another company for polishing.
I'm not sure the market can support a price hike associated with a polished finish - just look at what William says it costs for a few extra tampoed markings ($5 to $10 more).
IIRC the CF-104 was outsourced to another company for polishing.
I'm not sure the market can support a price hike associated with a polished finish - just look at what William says it costs for a few extra tampoed markings ($5 to $10 more).
Just sent a request note to William re this Sabre and, in light of your info, it will be interesting to see his reply. As we all know, HM has produced a number of "polished surface" models and it could be argued that "polishing" is no more expensive than "painting" -- we shall see... Thanks
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Precisely UK, "polished or bare metal"... RCAF F-101 Voodoo, HA3709, is another fine example of a "polished/bare metal" HM diecast a/c. Attached is an excellent "ACPilot" photo of this model...
It's tricky in terms of diecast manufacturing, bare metal finish is just a silver gloss finish, while polished is a metallic finish, so it shouldn't cost anymore or much more then other paints.
Then you have actual polished bare metal finish that you see in airliner diecast, which I personally cringe at due to the tiny scratches and usually issues with tarnish in those models.
So I'd say a metallic (polished) finish would look best just like on that CF-101
Good news all you RCAF Sabre freaks... Just got this reply from William, "Will be the next Canadian Sabre". Expected to be released late this year or early next year. I asked William about the "metallic finish", if outsourced?, polished?, painted?, extra expense?, and will report findings once I hear back from him. So, in the meantime, YAHOO!
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Were Canadair Sabres ever used in combat in RCAF service?
RCAF Sabres were a critical NATO support in France and Germany after WW2 in the event of any Soviet aggression - my Dad served at RCAF 2 Wing, 430 Squadron, Grostenguin, France, '54/'55.
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Well, good news/bad news... William reports that "polishing" for the metallic polished finish on this particular RCAF Sabre may no longer be available (expensive, was outsourced, specialized work, companies doing this closing down), but a high grade silver paint, close to the "metallic polished look", could still be used. I believe HM had used this special silver paint on their USAF Sabre releases... So, in the meantime, "GEEEZ, this kinda sucks"
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I know William will do his research regarding the "metallic finish" for this RCAF Sabre and also consider the "realistic" application... As an alternative, if the "metallic finish" proves too costly, or impossible to produce, I have "selfishly" suggested he consider RCAF Sabre "Silver Falcon" of 430 Sqn, Grostenquin, France - Stablemate of 421 Sqn, "Red Indian" (HA4309). I suspect all you Sabre Freaks, like me, have both "Red Indian" and 434 Sqn "Bluenose" (HA4305) in your Canadian Collection. These two NATO Sabres have an impressive euro camo scheme and I would not complain if HM produced a "third"
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Well, good news/bad news... William reports that "polishing" for the metallic polished finish on this particular RCAF Sabre may no longer be available (expensive, was outsourced, specialized work, companies doing this closing down), but a high grade silver paint, close to the "metallic polished look", could still be used. I believe HM had used this special silver paint on their USAF Sabre releases... So, in the meantime, "GEEEZ, this kinda sucks"
That's a shame about the finishing no longer being available, not only for this release, but in general too. That said, I have two "natural metal" USAF Sabres and I like them heaps. It's not quite as polished looking as the CF-104s, but as you say I am sure William will consider carefully what will/won't work.
You guys are getting another RCAF Sabre soon this year, so you can't really lose out at this point in any case
I really hope at some point HM takes on the mould changes necessary to do a CAC, Avon-engined RAAF Sabre - apart from anything else I need one in No 79 Sqn colours from their six years at RTAFB Ubon for my Vietnam theme!
I would probably buy any and all released though, not just that one particular scheme
I know William will do his research regarding the "metallic finish" for this RCAF Sabre and also consider the "realistic" application... As an alternative, if the "metallic finish" proves too costly, or impossible to produce, I have "selfishly" suggested he consider RCAF Sabre "Silver Falcon" of 430 Sqn, Grostenquin, France - Stablemate of 421 Sqn, "Red Indian" (HA4309). I suspect all you Sabre Freaks, like me, have both "Red Indian" and 434 Sqn "Bluenose" (HA4305) in your Canadian Collection. These two NATO Sabres have an impressive euro camo scheme and I would not complain if HM produced a "third"
Not to mention the Golden Hawks Sabre!
I think a third camo Sabre would be a bit much with so many other good schemes available, unless it was a Sky Lancers Sabre:
For RCAF Sabre fans I expect HM's production of this beauty would be appreciated.
Yes, I have contacted HM and made my request known...
can't say i'm a fan of the sabre and i've yet to get a representative airframe... but i must say a silver/bare metal rcaf sabre would fit alongside the voodoo and starfighter really well.
I have to agree with Zendocon, a third RCAF Sabre with camo scheme could be overkill. As shown, there are many excellent schemes to choose from - one, as suggested, being "Sky Lancers". This one would look great displayed next to the HM "Golden Hawks" Sabre.
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An extremely rare photo of the "Sky Lancers" Mk.6 Sabre taken at 4 Wing just days before four of the five team pilots lost their lives - February 1956. I've sent this "Sky Lancers" photo to William, suggesting this RCAF Sabre as a production candidate in case the "metallic finish" Sabre is not possible. Even though it's not the sharpest of photos this Sabre certainly commands attention with it's interesting color scheme and aerobatic team history...
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It's much harder to find information about the predecessor RCAF Sabre aerobatic team, The Fireballs. But there's a little info on the same site as the Sky Lancers: Fireballs aerobatic team
And a few other random photos from before and after they were painted red:
There's also the 1953 RCAF aerobatic team, The Tigers, which had a few subtle changes to their look over the season: RCAF Tigers aerobatic team
These are actually operational schemes from 439 Sabretooth Tiger Squadron (who likely also had a demo team for airshows like most squadrons).
The natural metal one in the top photo is a #1 Wing 439 Squadron Sabre Mk.2 based at North Luffenham in the U.K. Later #1 Wing (3 Squadrons of F-86s) moved to Marville, France with Mk.5s in 1955. The next two photos are of Mk.6s and the last photo is a Mk.5.
Keep in mind a lot of the suggestions in this thread are Mk.2 Sabres which like the F-86A would require some changes to the HM tooling. If you want a natural metal RCAF Sabre it pretty well has to be a Mk.5 (almost all Mk.6s were camouflaged) using the current tooling options.
Spooky's very first post show a Natural Metal RCAF Mk.5 which is something I suggested to Hobby Master several months ago.
These are actually operational schemes from 439 Sabretooth Tiger Squadron (who likely also had a demo team for airshows like most squadrons).
I'll be honest, I didn't even really look. It was all just pulled from aerobaticteams.net which have a page for the Tigers here: RCAF Tigers aerobatic team
I had heard of the Fireballs and the Sky Lancers previously, but had not heard of a Tigers aerobatic team until I found that page. That's my fault for not paying closer attention.
Keep in mind a lot of the suggestions in this thread are Mk.2 Sabres which like the F-86A would require some changes to the HM tooling. If you want a natural metal RCAF Sabre it pretty well has to be a Mk.5 (almost all Mk.6s were camouflaged) using the current tooling options.
Isn't Corgi's the Mk.2/F-86A? Or have they used the wrong tooling to release F-86A Sabres? I wasn't specifically speaking about HM releases. Just a Sabre wishlist.
Isn't Corgi's the Mk.2/F-86A? Or have they used the wrong tooling to release F-86A Sabres? I wasn't specifically speaking about HM releases. Just a Sabre wishlist.
Isn't Corgi's the Mk.2/F-86A? Or have they used the wrong tooling to release F-86A Sabres? I wasn't specifically speaking about HM releases. Just a Sabre wishlist.
Sorry, I was probably thinking of HM's tooling because the last Corgi Sabre release was 7 years ago now. I would think given that tooling's age and the clear superiority of HM's F-86 - that there will be no further Corgi Releases.
In any event it looks to me that Corgi did not make the necessary modifications to make an accurate earlier Sabre 2 or identical Sabre 4.
Sorry, I was probably thinking of HM's tooling because the last Corgi Sabre release was 7 years ago now. I would think given that tooling's age and the clear superiority of HM's F-86 - that there will be no further Corgi Releases.
In any event it looks to me that Corgi did not make the necessary modifications to make an accurate earlier Sabre 2 or identical Sabre 4.
Dan
That's a fair assessment. Just a shame because most of the interesting Sabres I'd like to see are the earlier variants.
I really hope at some point HM takes on the mould changes necessary to do a CAC, Avon-engined RAAF Sabre - apart from anything else I need one in No 79 Sqn colours from their six years at RTAFB Ubon for my Vietnam theme!
I would probably buy any and all released though, not just that one particular scheme
Absolutely! There are so many beautiful RAAF schemes that Hobby Master could choose from.
I think that Spooky's suggestion is our best chance for a RCAF Silver Sword.
The colour photo is perhaps one of the most published RCAF F-86 Photos ever taken.
Sabre Mk.5 #23314 is still flying in "Golden Hawk" colours with Vintage Wings Canada at Gatineau, Quebec. It has been converted to be basically a Sabre Mk.6 with a Leading edge slatted Wing and an Orenda14 Engine.
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I think that Spooky's suggestion is our best chance for a RCAF Silver Sword.
The colour photo is perhaps one of the most published RCAF F-86 Photos ever taken.
Sabre Mk.5 #23314 is still flying in "Golden Hawk" colours with Vintage Wings Canada at Gatineau, Quebec. It has been converted to be basically a Sabre Mk.6 with a Leading edge slatted Wing and an Orenda14 Engine.
Dan
AFHQ Jet Practice Flight, RCAF Station Uplands (Ottawa), Ontario
I'll be happy with HM releasing a Sabre in that scheme. An instant buy for me. Good suggestion Spooky
Thanks guys, and I appreciate Dan posting a full-screen shot of this beautiful RCAF "Silver Sword" (F-86 Sabre). When I found this specific photo a few years ago I was so impressed that I've used it as my computer screen-saver ever since, and routinely swap it back-and-forth with the "Golden Hawks" photo seen as my signature. Thanks to Dan's research I'm thrilled to know that both photos are of the same a/c, and currently with upgrades and "Golden Hawks" paint scheme. If HM agrees to produce this "Silver Sword", those who have the HM "Golden Hawks" (HA4303) will then have the same a/c in two different configurations/schemes - this would be very cool. However, in order for HM to do this Canadian fighter justice, the "metallic/polished surfaces" MUST BE CORRECT and produced to the same high standards as the HM CF-104 HA1011. If done "correctly", I expect this Sabre/Sword would attract many collectors and perhaps become more sought after than HM's RCAF "Silver Starfighter". In order for this "Silver Sword" to "fly" we must show support and understand/accept that the cost factor will most likely be heightened due to expected outsourcing for "polished" surfaces. I will send a note to William regarding our latest discussion and expect Dan will also continue his contact and support with HM for this outstanding RCAF Sabre/Sword...
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I really hope at some point HM takes on the mould changes necessary to do a CAC, Avon-engined RAAF Sabre - apart from anything else I need one in No 79 Sqn colours from their six years at RTAFB Ubon for my Vietnam theme!
I would probably buy any and all released though, not just that one particular scheme
It would require a brand new tooling, not just some modifications.
With only three operators, Australia, Malaysia and Indonesia, its very unlikely it will get a run.
FM did release some CAC Sabres utilising the A/F tooling. They still look great, but one can imagine the response in this place if HM tried that trick.
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I would imagine that given the option between not ever having one at all and something that is pretty much looking like a CAC Sabre, collectors would choose the later. We are talking about a size/shape that when scaled down to 1/72, isn't doing to be overly noticeable IMHO.
Personally, I could care less but I am impressed that HM got a free pass on this occasion.
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These are actually operational schemes from 439 Sabretooth Tiger Squadron (who likely also had a demo team for airshows like most squadrons).
The natural metal one in the top photo is a #1 Wing 439 Squadron Sabre Mk.2 based at North Luffenham in the U.K. Later #1 Wing (3 Squadrons of F-86s) moved to Marville, France with Mk.5s in 1955. The next two photos are of Mk.6s and the last photo is a Mk.5.
Keep in mind a lot of the suggestions in this thread are Mk.2 Sabres which like the F-86A would require some changes to the HM tooling. If you want a natural metal RCAF Sabre it pretty well has to be a Mk.5 (almost all Mk.6s were camouflaged) using the current tooling options.
Spooky's very first post show a Natural Metal RCAF Mk.5 which is something I suggested to Hobby Master several months ago.
Dan
Dan, as I noted in another another thread, Jackie Cochran was the first women to break the sound barrier in a MKIII.
I am curious to know if there is any major structural differences between the MK VI and MK III. Different engine, so I wonder if its a heap different.
It was NMF, with barely any markings at all, when she made the runs.
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Looks to be closer to a Mk.5 with the wing fences and hard wing.
Dan
Thanks Dan. More compromises needed.
To be fair, it is unique. A one off MK from Canadair and its the aircraft that enabled Jackie Cochran to be the first female to break the sound barrier.
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Thanks guys, and I appreciate Dan posting a full-screen shot of this beautiful RCAF "Silver Sword" (F-86 Sabre). When I found this specific photo a few years ago I was so impressed that I've used it as my computer screen-saver ever since, and routinely swap it back-and-forth with the "Golden Hawks" photo seen as my signature. Thanks to Dan's research I'm thrilled to know that both photos are of the same a/c, and currently with upgrades and "Golden Hawks" paint scheme. If HM agrees to produce this "Silver Sword", those who have the HM "Golden Hawks" (HA4303) will then have the same a/c in two different configurations/schemes - this would be very cool. However, in order for HM to do this Canadian fighter justice, the "metallic/polished surfaces" MUST BE CORRECT and produced to the same high standards as the HM CF-104 HA1011. If done "correctly", I expect this Sabre/Sword would attract many collectors and perhaps become more sought after than HM's RCAF "Silver Starfighter". In order for this "Silver Sword" to "fly" we must show support and understand/accept that the cost factor will most likely be heightened due to expected outsourcing for "polished" surfaces. I will send a note to William regarding our latest discussion and expect Dan will also continue his contact and support with HM for this outstanding RCAF Sabre/Sword...
Just to be clear, HA4303 (Golden Hawks #23037) is actually not the same aircraft as the Vintage Wings F-86. (#23314).
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