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Old 02-14-2017, 09:55 AM   #1
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HOBBY MASTER HA5403 1:72 T-38A Talon "Jackie Cochran" 60-0551, Edward Air Force Base, California, 1961

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Another obvious T-38 scheme release. I would bet that they'd also do Falcon's releases next. But if I may make a scheme suggestion. The companion trainer scheme. It's a low vis so HM maybe reluctant to do one but it's a very beautiful scheme.



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Tim you're too impatient! :-)

The T-38 might turn out to be another one of those jets of which many different liveries will be released!
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I...I...I´mmm impatient too!


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Another obvious T-38 scheme release. I would bet that they'd also do Falcon's releases next.
Call me crazy, but doesn't it make sense to do the obvious ones first? I think this is a pretty good choice. 1961 was the year the X-15 project got underway at Edwards Air Force Base and T-38s (along with F-104s) were often used as chase planes. This would have been the livery. For a NASA or X-planes collector, this scheme is a must.

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And according to HM, this one has historical relevance :

"Jacqueline Jackie Cochran was born into poverty but achieved greatness as she grew up. Jackie began air racing in the late 1930s and in June 1941 she was the first woman to fly a bomber across the Atlantic Ocean. In 1943 was appointed to the General Staff of the USAAF to direct the Women Airforce Service Pilots (WASP) program. Jackie was the first woman to break the sound barrier, set distance and altitude records and averaged a speed of 844mph while flying Northrop T-38A Talon 60-0551."
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And according to HM, this one has historical relevance :

"Jacqueline Jackie Cochran was born into poverty but achieved greatness as she grew up. Jackie began air racing in the late 1930s and in June 1941 she was the first woman to fly a bomber across the Atlantic Ocean. In 1943 was appointed to the General Staff of the USAAF to direct the Women Airforce Service Pilots (WASP) program. Jackie was the first woman to break the sound barrier, set distance and altitude records and averaged a speed of 844mph while flying Northrop T-38A Talon 60-0551."
Sounds like a great release to me. Also, it's good to see a female pilot represented.
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Sounds like a great release to me. Also, it's good to see a female pilot represented.
The Sound Barrier flight was in a one off MK III Canadair Sabre. I wonder how different it looks from the standard Canadair Sabres?

At any rate, it was a plain metal scheme and Chuck flew chase.

But, I still think, if she waited and flew a CAC Sabre, she would have gone quicker.
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Lads should have a gander at her accomplishments. She had some game,...far more than most, male or female.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacqueline_Cochran
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Photos have been released of this model on the HMC website.

It looks poor in my opinion. The white gloss finish makes the model look toylike, and the overspray and overall lack of detail hurts.

I'll wait for a non-white T-38, maybe... though the type overall is not that compelling compared to HM's really very nice F-5 line.
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Pre pro looks good to me. And I think the overspray isn't too bad. If the gloss it too much, a shot of semi gloss or dullcote solves that.
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For me - I´ll wait for final production or real model photos.

Is it in my tired eyes or the glossy T-38 surface looks photoshopped? Although I don´t understand why would someone be doing it, but look on "TF-551" on fuselage and the wing: the mirrored lettering looks to me like shifted forward (unnaturaly). Can this be just reflection? And also - even it looks like the glossy underlay isn´t glass and isn´t completely plain - can someone explain me how could "T-38" lettering under the canopy shift so much to the rear on the mirrored lower image?

Also I see some smear between USAF insignia / TF-551 lettering / wing root, but this I believe is just spilled glue on this particular pre-pro piece.

Anyway what looks worse to me are the pilots - sorry to say...


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Firstly, we shouldn't have to modify a +$100 model.

Secondly, it would be nice to think such issues are just apparent on pre pros but we all know that is not the case anymore.

Besides, why do they do such poor quality pre pros. Before the apology police come on and say "Errr well they don't need to post pre pros" that is very true but these are like viral hype marketing shots, so why not get it right also 5 yrs ago I might of brushed it off as "just pre pro" "oh that's an advanced pre pro" but that's just nonsense and pretty much what you see there is what you get in most cases these days.
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I will check this out. Thank you for posting this forum.
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Is it in my tired eyes or the glossy T-38 surface looks photoshopped? Although I don´t understand why would someone be doing it, but look on "TF-551" on fuselage and the wing: the mirrored lettering looks to me like shifted forward (unnaturaly). Can this be just reflection? And also - even it looks like the glossy underlay isn´t glass and isn´t completely plain - can someone explain me how could "T-38" lettering under the canopy shift so much to the rear on the mirrored lower image?
TF-551 is an optical illusion caused by the camera being forward of the lettering. Try some experiments with a mirror.

The T-38 lettering is alchemy. On the model it's forward of the rescue markings. On the "reflection" it's under them.

Why wouldn't they just show a normal picture?

Also, I'd guess that Jackie didn't set any records whilst carrying a baggage pod. She trained for this at Edwards, so no luggage needed surely?

Cochran had a tan suit but I think Yeager and Engle were in standard USAF issue to train her.

Another HM model that needs a seat raised. Talk about slow learners.

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I see no issue with tweaking a model to meet one's personal standard. Though I know its easier to complain, than pick up new skills.
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I don't like tweaking a model because it damages the collectors value... should I ever sell it. But if it's a model I am keeping to my grave, and there are a few, I am happy to go at them. This is one of them.
The T-38 model has some flaws, but the model is so small, they don''t stand out badly as the larger models flaws do. I wish HM would have made it a bit better like their F-5 but, still I am happy to have it in my collection.

Pre-production model photos are just that, with production issues that HOPEFULLY get fixed. Hm has not listened well in the last few years, which I think is why more are spooked nor by what they see when these are posted.
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I don't like tweaking a model because it damages the collectors value... should I ever sell it
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For me - I´ll wait for final production or real model photos.

Is it in my tired eyes or the glossy T-38 surface looks photoshopped? Although I don´t understand why would someone be doing it, but look on "TF-551" on fuselage and the wing: the mirrored lettering looks to me like shifted forward (unnaturaly). Can this be just reflection? And also - even it looks like the glossy underlay isn´t glass and isn´t completely plain - can someone explain me how could "T-38" lettering under the canopy shift so much to the rear on the mirrored lower image?

Also I see some smear between USAF insignia / TF-551 lettering / wing root, but this I believe is just spilled glue on this particular pre-pro piece.
i don't get it either

at that angle, tf-551 should've been obscured by the wing, no? and notice how there's a glitch in the matrix with regard to double reflection of the tailfin's 00551 that doesn't occur anywhere else in the photo? hmm... i guess this is what happens when you use lightboxes
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lightboxes
Ugh, gross..

It's been said before, but lightbox pics are terrible for trying to decide on whether a model has the right tones and shades for its markings.

Which is, I guess, why $hill$ love them
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Ugh, gross..

It's been said before, but lightbox pics are terrible for trying to decide on whether a model has the right tones and shades for its markings.

Which is, I guess, why $hill$ love them
well in this case, monsieur ladia has just demonstrated how truly magical lightboxes can be
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well in this case, monsieur ladia has just demonstrated how truly magical lightboxes can be

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Abit like how magical free 1/144 Vipers and $hill deals can be at changing opinions
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Abit like how magical free 1/144 Vipers and $hill deals can be at changing opinions
yeah... that was a massive turnabout, wasn't it? and that 144 viper wasn't even that good to begin with
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I don't like tweaking a model because it damages the collectors value... should I ever sell it. But if it's a model I am keeping to my grave, and there are a few, I am happy to go at them. This is one of them.
The T-38 model has some flaws, but the model is so small, they don''t stand out badly as the larger models flaws do. I wish HM would have made it a bit better like their F-5 but, still I am happy to have it in my collection.

Pre-production model photos are just that, with production issues that HOPEFULLY get fixed. Hm has not listened well in the last few years, which I think is why more are spooked nor by what they see when these are posted.
But if you're correcting flaws and making it more"accurate". Doesn't that up its value? You know for the well informed "serious collector"!
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I have bought my collectible ALWAYS with the thought that I want something that retains or grows in value as much as possible. There have been times where I have had to sell to pay bills or to get the next greatest piece. So I pay attention to such.

I have found on the secondary market that any changes tends to be detrimental on the public secondary market ( such as ebay) in value.
If you are doing a different livery, it depends on the skill level of the person making them. You may make it appeal to a very small few, but that is always a very small few at best.
Overall, no matter how good that change is, it causes a loss in the collectors market, unless it is a very high demand popular model and even then you usually don't reach the current market value of that model.

Sucks, as there are many little tweaks that could be done to make these better.
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What Tripoli says I 100% correct - code 3 models are no different to cars with 3" exhausts and aftermarket rims in that regard.

Improvements actually lower the value to collectors, who almost always want the stock model.

I agree this is a shame, but it is what it is.
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Agree with Trip, unless it's a recognised code 3 from Modelzone (?), I think changing a model slightly doesn't increase value and tends to lower it.

There was a guy on here that pops up occasionally and that's just what happens, does not sell for anymore then a stock model. (Don't mean you Shawn, just in case your thinking that...)

That said, I think a full blown code 3 which is unique and might be sort after as manus don't seem to want to do it coz of complexity, should hold value or increase IMHO.
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trip is right... unless the collector comes knocking at your door for a code 3 to be done, he's not gonna pay more. the end result can be quite subjective. unless it's a scheme that hasn't been or will never be done by the manufacturers, that's how i would approach such models.
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Interesting. i would gladly buy a modified model over the stock one if the improvements were done correctly and enhanced a model.
In fact I was very pleased to get the Corgi B-25 OH-7 after the original owner removed the dog sh*t / weathering Corgi put in it. In my opinion it greatly increased the value of that release.
But then I don't buy models to use as emergency currency. However, I am surprised that there are so many calls for accuracy. And then when someone enhances a model, it's suddenly viewed as lesser in value than the original flawed release.
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Interesting. i would gladly buy a modified model over the stock one if the improvements were done correctly and enhanced a model.
In fact I was very pleased to get the Corgi B-25 OH-7 after the original owner removed the dog sh*t / weathering Corgi put in it. In my opinion it greatly increased the value of that release.
But then I don't buy models to use as emergency currency. However, I am surprised that there are so many calls for accuracy. And then when someone enhances a model, it's suddenly viewed as lesser in value than the original flawed release.
No need to cry - answers are in previous posts. Model value is driven solely by secondary market demand - not by your or UF, or TC, or tker´s or mine or whoever´s personal opinion. Should 95% of secondary market buyers prefer modified modelsb - all of us are improving them. Unfortunately secondary market goes other way - and not only in diecast airplanes collecting - and as a result most colectors just call for more accuracy. That´s all.
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yes, it's a very subjective matter. some have put forward the proposal for a premium range and are willing to pay more for better detailing and such. others feel that at the current prices, manufacturers should already include the detailing. can't say i have enhanced models in my collection... but i do have a couple of reworked schemes that can only be described as a labour of love by the modeller.
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Opps. My bad.
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yes, it's a very subjective matter. some have put forward the proposal for a premium range and are willing to pay more for better detailing and such. others feel that at the current prices, manufacturers should already include the detailing.
the way you've described it is that the bottom line is this: people want more detail. what HM is delivering now in terms of finish is not up to what the products could or should be. whether "people are willing to pay more" or "people feel they should get more" is just a detail wrinkle beyond the key takeaway. I know for me I've dramatically cut back on HM purchases largely because of the quality decrease and find myself hoping that releases that I do want will be "passable." The recent skyraider is a good example - i bought it with no expectations that it would be great - and in fact it isn't - but it's certainly "good enough."

Meanwhile, I happily pre-ordered the AC Showtime which is in a box behind me for when I have a bit more time to open it.
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Interesting. i would gladly buy a modified model over the stock one if the improvements were done correctly and enhanced a model.
In fact I was very pleased to get the Corgi B-25 OH-7 after the original owner removed the dog sh*t / weathering Corgi put in it. In my opinion it greatly increased the value of that release.
But then I don't buy models to use as emergency currency. However, I am surprised that there are so many calls for accuracy. And then when someone enhances a model, it's suddenly viewed as lesser in value than the original flawed release.
We must be in a new universe that I find myself regularly agreeing with shawn these days.

Can you post some pics of OH-7? That was one b-25 i skipped for the reasons you allude to. Curious to see what it would look like better.

Oh, and incidentally, I've given up hope of a dieacast 1/72 B-29 and have commissioned a talented modeller to build one. I wanted a generic Japan attacker (as opposed to a Korean war bird) and not one with nose art based on badly copied pin-ups, so after much consideration of all available decal options I decided to go with the academy "Big Time Operator" B-29 kit livery (kit was a bit htf). Will post pics when it's done.
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the way you've described it is that the bottom line is this: people want more detail. what HM is delivering now in terms of finish is not up to what the products could or should be. whether "people are willing to pay more" or "people feel they should get more" is just a detail wrinkle beyond the key takeaway. I know for me I've dramatically cut back on HM purchases largely because of the quality decrease and find myself hoping that releases that I do want will be "passable." The recent skyraider is a good example - i bought it with no expectations that it would be great - and in fact it isn't - but it's certainly "good enough."

Meanwhile, I happily pre-ordered the AC Showtime which is in a box behind me for when I have a bit more time to open it.
it all boils down to what is acceptable to each individual at any given price. some may find the final product wort their full retail price, others may not... and sometimes it's a matter of how much value one attributes to the models, and whether that value justifies the price. it's kinda like "nope, that model doesn't justify its price... but if say prices drop 50%, i'd reconsider".

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We must be in a new universe that I find myself regularly agreeing with shawn these days.
did you find yourself disagreeing with monsieur shawn in the other universe? guess you would've entered the twilight zone once you start agreeing with monsieur uf, eh?
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Old 06-02-2017, 05:42 PM   #37
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Default Re: HOBBY MASTER 1:72 T-38A Talon "Jackie Cochran" 60-0551, Edward AFB, CA, 1961

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HOBBY MASTER HA5403 1:72 T-38A Talon "Jackie Cochran" 60-0551, Edward Air Force Base, California, 1961

April '17 Release

For more info see Jumblies Models in the UK.





Back to the model:

Have you noticed wrong color of pitot tube on HM Cochran´s T-38A?

Cochran´s T-38A from August 1961 had black pitot tube:


Here´s more on the topic:
https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/24-august-1961/


I did mentioned this to William and HM managed to change it. Here´s William´s reply:

Dear Ladia,
We managed to change pitot tube to B/W.

Thank you again.
William


So in the end we will have once again a bit more accurate model. Just to let you know.

Thanks, William!
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