I guess the EA-6 canopy "pegs" could be shortened to sit more flush ? I have mine displayed as is and it's ok but yeah, I did notice it sat rather high, at least we got opened canopies from the start unlike vigi's.
Also I have it on to authority that the HARM was not used yet on this particular EA-6 and/or the period it represents.
I gave up on HM's eagles after I bought the camo IDF version, nothing beats that so far, maybe the JASDF eagles are a close second.
I am not one to spew apologia for manus' mistakes, but these "issues" seem a tad trifling to me, especially WRT these particular models, both of which are overall very nice IMO (especially that Ravens EA-6B, which I consider to be one of HM's best recent efforts).
I find alittle trimming / sanding of the mounting pegs allows a better fit. But I realize not everyone is inclined to do the work themselves. Oh well.
If it is a plastic model kit I wouldn't mind trimming the excess but it is a manufactured diecast 100 bucks plus model it should be addressed by the manufacturer. I paying for accuracy and not for the manufacturing issues.
I guess the EA-6 canopy "pegs" could be shortened to sit more flush ? I have mine displayed as is and it's ok but yeah, I did notice it sat rather high, at least we got opened canopies from the start unlike vigi's.
And hurri's, the first 2 of which came with detachable canopies that wouldn't fit on top of the fuselage in the slid-back position. & ironically, the first of the open canopy vigi's has an even worse issue- 'Independence' spelt with 'O's in place of the 'D's.
And hurri's, the first 2 of which came with detachable canopies that wouldn't fit on top of the fuselage in the slid-back position. & ironically, the first of the open canopy vigi's has an even worse issue- 'Independence' spelt with 'O's in place of the 'D's.
And the nose antenna on first batch of Canes was twice a high as it should have been, silly stuff like that should be sorted out during the many months of designing and prototyping. I think we'd all be happy if models got delayed because they were being fixed at the beginning. Same goes for the stork Bf-109 gears.
For the splayed landing gear it's happen 1 time for me (A10A) but you can demand a replace spare perheaps?
As a guess, they may have re-used the splayed landing gear from the F-15C. I vaguely recall the E has a different gear due to the aircraft being heavier than a C.
Agreed, these are not major issues, I mean if you want perfect, prepare to pay $200.00 a model and for the company that makes them to go under.
Kind of a ridiculous post, reminds me of Warbird Rivet Counters :-)
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I am not one to spew apologia for manus' mistakes, but these "issues" seem a tad trifling to me, especially WRT these particular models, both of which are overall very nice IMO (especially that Ravens EA-6B, which I consider to be one of HM's best recent efforts).
If it is a plastic model kit I wouldn't mind trimming the excess but it is a manufactured diecast 100 bucks plus model it should be addressed by the manufacturer. I paying for accuracy and not for the manufacturing issues.
Do tell me then what manufactured diecast model is absolutely accurate and perfect fitting in all aspects.
I think only in "dream" land that they make a perfect fitting 100% accurate model...
We are talking about mass produce model and there will always be issues with accuracy...
We can only send feed back to manus and hoping they will fix them in future OR voting with our wallets...
People need to relax a little about small details like these. These manufacturers are constantly working hard to create the most accurate and detailed models they can. When I was working with Gemini on the Air North HS748 model, I went WAY overboard, trying to get every single detail replicated. There came a point where they had to pump the brakes and say that if we keep going down this path, the amount of hours being invested into that model no longer made it commercial viable. Either they boost their prices to the point where the models are no longer affordable for many collectors (and people would still find details to complain about anyway), or there's a point where you accept that these are models and not real airplanes. If you want a perfect model, you had better be prepared to invest in custom work.
thanks for this picture, I am building a F-15C, are all F-15C have splayed outwards gears or just earlier F-15 model? .
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As a guess, they may have re-used the splayed landing gear from the F-15C. I vaguely recall the E has a different gear due to the aircraft being heavier than a C.
The thing is, no one is being pedantic about every HM release, ok Mr Expert is about his personal suggestions but the bulk of collectors don't hound manus for every tiny detail to be perfect, so why is it they can't at least get simple things right ? Who are the ppl wasting manu's time with silly overdetailed requests that they can't focus on just getting their core products right.
As for cost, I don't see how shortening a Hurricanes anetenna or Bf-109 gears adds cost if anything it should slightly reduce cost as less materials are used. And they would have sold more of the first two releases rather then everyone wait for improved versions, same with the Bf-109.
And isn't that why we are paying lots of $$ for already ? We aren't talking about getting more printing added or more weapons this time, just make the BASIC product right.
They are a company making money any way possible, minor issues are fine but not completely inaccuracate or careless ones.
HM could have done the right thing and delayed the next Vigi to fix the issue with the spelling, it's on the tail, not on the main body of the model, simply take all the affected tails off and replace with correctly printed tails. They can then repurpose those incorrect tails for another vigi release. HM more then likely got a % of the cost of those vigi's refunded by the factory and yet their going to charge us full price for this rubbish !
This pretty much amounts to a spit in the face of collectors !
Everyone wake up, stop apologising and making excuses, these companies are not doing this as a favour to our community, lowing the standards only leads to situations like the Topcats Viking or eagle eyes vigi, blatant screw you to collectors, we'll do what we like and you just buy it and shut up. Well I'm sorry but this collector isn't going to accept incompetence and dishonesty even if that seems to be the norm in society now to apologise for ppl screwing us over.
I don't think anyone is making any excuses or apologising. Ultimately this hobby is about buying the models you like. If a collector is happy with the model they bought then they have made the right decision.
thanks for this picture, I am building a F-15C, are all F-15C have splayed outwards gears or just earlier F-15 model? .
I can only say with the books I have, all of the F-15C photos show a landing gear like the photo quoted in your posting. One book has some technical information and mentioned different types of wheel were fitted. Eventually all A,B,C,D variants ended up with the same type retrofitted or otherwise.
I would suggest you look for as many photos as possible of the scheme you plan to do for your model. This should help you in confirming how the actual aircraft looked if this is something you're interested in for your build.
Quite a few people here make excuses for HM having HM's ear. Absolutely.
HM though is not making huge gobs of money, they are competing on a market that is starting to see saturation such as the F-14 models. I would like to think they are not spitting on their customers although the Blue colored models and the flat out bad base colors called out over a ear ago with continued errors sucks.
William also has the best customer service of any of the die cast companies, more likely it's a matter priorities.
That said, the basic mistakes and the lack of correcting such is getting old as well those who make excuses or turn a blind eye, give William an excuse not to make those changes.
In general they are not spitting in our face but certainly with models that should have been recalled like the smurf eagles, Topcats fantasy Viking and the current vigi mistake, instead they shrug their shoulders and put them on the shelves anyway. It's like a car manu forgetting to put brakes on a car and hope no one would notice, it's not that extreme of an example, you buy a car to get around in the safest way possible, we buy models based on accuracy and aesthetics, failing that, your not getting the product your paying for.
Casual collectors will buy anything and everything, we are talking about those of us that know better and invest a significant amount of time and money into this hobby.
Indeed HM'a customer service is 2nd to none, Corgi a close 2nd. This does not excuse errors though.
If it is a plastic model kit I wouldn't mind trimming the excess but it is a manufactured diecast 100 bucks plus model it should be addressed by the manufacturer. I paying for accuracy and not for the manufacturing issues.
Exactly, especially at today's prices.
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Agreed, these are not major issues, I mean if you want perfect, prepare to pay $200.00 a model and for the company that makes them to go under.
Kind of a ridiculous post, reminds me of Warbird Rivet Counters :-)
NO! These models are getting more expensive with poorer QC- remember when HM were not only cheaper than their competitors, but also much better? Well neither of those are true anymore.
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Do tell me then what manufactured diecast model is absolutely accurate and perfect fitting in all aspects.
I'll wait.
None. But HM used to better than they are now, for far less money.
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I think only in "dream" land that they make a perfect fitting 100% accurate model...
We are talking about mass produce model and there will always be issues with accuracy...
We can only send feed back to manus and hoping they will fix them in future OR voting with our wallets...
Not when they give us those issues at an inflated price, when they used to be both cheaper AND better.
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People need to relax a little about small details like these. These manufacturers are constantly working hard to create the most accurate and detailed models they can. When I was working with Gemini on the Air North HS748 model, I went WAY overboard, trying to get every single detail replicated. There came a point where they had to pump the brakes and say that if we keep going down this path, the amount of hours being invested into that model no longer made it commercial viable. Either they boost their prices to the point where the models are no longer affordable for many collectors (and people would still find details to complain about anyway), or there's a point where you accept that these are models and not real airplanes. If you want a perfect model, you had better be prepared to invest in custom work.
No one expects perfection, but we do expect something nearer to it at the prices HM charge now- especially when they've proved themselves capable of better in the past, WITHOUT expecting us to pay premium costs for the privilege.
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The thing is, no one is being pedantic about every HM release, ok Mr Expert is about his personal suggestions but the bulk of collectors don't hound manus for every tiny detail to be perfect, so why is it they can't at least get simple things right ? Who are the ppl wasting manu's time with silly overdetailed requests that they can't focus on just getting their core products right.
As for cost, I don't see how shortening a Hurricanes anetenna or Bf-109 gears adds cost if anything it should slightly reduce cost as less materials are used. And they would have sold more of the first two releases rather then everyone wait for improved versions, same with the Bf-109.
And isn't that why we are paying lots of $$ for already ? We aren't talking about getting more printing added or more weapons this time, just make the BASIC product right.
They are a company making money any way possible, minor issues are fine but not completely inaccuracate or careless ones.
HM could have done the right thing and delayed the next Vigi to fix the issue with the spelling, it's on the tail, not on the main body of the model, simply take all the affected tails off and replace with correctly printed tails. They can then repurpose those incorrect tails for another vigi release. HM more then likely got a % of the cost of those vigi's refunded by the factory and yet their going to charge us full price for this rubbish !
This pretty much amounts to a spit in the face of collectors !
Everyone wake up, stop apologising and making excuses, these companies are not doing this as a favour to our community, lowing the standards only leads to situations like the Topcats Viking or eagle eyes vigi, blatant screw you to collectors, we'll do what we like and you just buy it and shut up. Well I'm sorry but this collector isn't going to accept incompetence and dishonesty even if that seems to be the norm in society now to apologise for ppl screwing us over.
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Quite a few people here make excuses for HM having HM's ear. Absolutely.
HM though is not making huge gobs of money, they are competing on a market that is starting to see saturation such as the F-14 models. I would like to think they are not spitting on their customers although the Blue colored models and the flat out bad base colors called out over a ear ago with continued errors sucks.
William also has the best customer service of any of the die cast companies, more likely it's a matter priorities.
That said, the basic mistakes and the lack of correcting such is getting old as well those who make excuses or turn a blind eye, give William an excuse not to make those changes.
This. Moreso given what HM are charging now- the quality should rise with the price, not fall.
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Quite a few people here make excuses for HM having HM's ear. Absolutely.
HM though is not making huge gobs of money, they are competing on a market that is starting to see saturation such as the F-14 models. I would like to think they are not spitting on their customers although the Blue colored models and the flat out bad base colors called out over a ear ago with continued errors sucks.
William also has the best customer service of any of the die cast companies, more likely it's a matter priorities.
That said, the basic mistakes and the lack of correcting such is getting old as well those who make excuses or turn a blind eye, give William an excuse not to make those changes.
Spot on, Jeff! If they could make high quality models cheap in the past, they have no excuse for poor quality now they are expensive.
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I'm almost certain if I were to buy a car for the price of an HM model, I shouldn't be surprised if it didn't have any brakes.
Yes, but you know UF is being allegorical in his car example, not literal.
I'm almost certain if I were to buy a car for the price of an HM model, I shouldn't be surprised if it didn't have any brakes.
Lol that's not a fair comparison.
HM are currently the preimier brand in Diecast, certainly their prices indicates they think they are. If I were to order a BMW with leather seats but get cloth instead and the dealer said, sorry, we had a batch of cloth seats we needed to use up first, would you accept that ? Of course not, so why is it any different for Diecast or any other product for that matter.
Yes, but you know UF is being allegorical in his car example, not literal.
It's still a poor example, I can't see how you can compare the quality of a product that costs many £££ to make and sold at many £££ and to meet stringent safety standards against one that costs significantly less £££ to be put on a display shelf.
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Reason: made mistake with £££
It's still a poor example, I can't see how you can compare the quality of a product that costs many £££ to make and sold at many £££ and to meet stringent safety standards against one that costs a few £ to be put on a display shelf.
The point was, your paying for X but getting Y.
I hope my second car allegory was more to the point.
Yeah, I recently got HM's old Israeli F-15B Eagle, and the fitting on the airbrake makes it sit out abit. I think all of the models I've gotten have required a bit of sanding/filing or glueing here and there, but overall I think most of it is forgivable. I have had only one major issue with an HM model, and that was paint splotching on an A-4 Kahu. I think the pricing on current releases is a bit steep though.
If it is a plastic model kit I wouldn't mind trimming the excess but it is a manufactured diecast 100 bucks plus model it should be addressed by the manufacturer. I paying for accuracy and not for the manufacturing issues.
I cannot agree more than what you have said. Yes, it is too expensive. It is not a 20 or 30 bucks plastic model. It is more than 100 U.S. DOllARs jet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What the hell does that have to do with the quality issues of HM models?
Don't mine this dude 'sarcasm' he's just trolling member Shawn507 for having the 'crusader' avatar... from time to time he just pops up on this forum and makes very unusual remarks...
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Don't mine this dude 'sarcasm' he's just trolling member Shawn507 for having the 'crusader' avatar... from time to time he just pops up on this forum and makes very unusual remarks...
Especially as the story in his link has not even been proven as true, as there were no confirmed eye witnesses & no one used their phones to film it.
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The point was, your paying for X but getting Y.
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