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Old 11-13-2016, 09:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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These recently became available @ the Mule...

Su-30MKK Flanker-G 1:72 Diecast Model - Herpa HE-580090 - $124.99

Anybody have one...?? If so, what are your impressions of this model..??
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Old 11-13-2016, 09:59 AM   #2 (permalink)
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From the images it looks to be a little too lacking in detail for me.
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Actually I think it looks very good. Not seeing any big gaps on the model. Price is a bit too high.
Unless they make the Su-33 Navy Flanker I will stick with my Gaincorp Su-30 .

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$125 for a glorified Witty?
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I'm waiting for the Venezuelan Air Force and Russian camo version
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$125 for a glorified Witty?
Lets see, you've got 9 posts, joined a month ago, and I'm assuming you don't own one of these models..??

I have to say with all due respect, I didn't find your comment particularly constructive or helpful.

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Adour is right though. It's still a glorified Witty, which were about 1/3 of Herpa's asking price.

Don't own one but the paint in these photos looks alright.
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Sure, but when i see some witty wings models leaving with heavy price, their molds seem to be wanted...
From my side, i'm waiting JC wings Su-30 with operationnal camo, but, it's true, if herpa prices weren't so high, i would be tempted to buy this model.
Furthermore, nobody seems to be tempted to buy the Herpa's first release, SU-27 with blue shark along the plane !
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Adour is right though. It's still a glorified Witty, which were about 1/3 of Herpa's asking price.

Don't own one but the paint in these photos looks alright.
The operative word here is Were.

Just try to get a Witty SU-30 for $125 now... highly unlikely, that is if you can even find one, and "glorified" or not, Witty still had the best SU-30 out there IMHO.
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From the images it looks to be a little too lacking in detail for me.
It isn't- it's the Witty model, & quite well detailed indeed.
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It isn't- it's the Witty model, & quite well detailed indeed.
You see the Witty models I've seen in the flesh, as it were, didn't look that great to me. I suppose it just comes down to personal preference.
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The model looks nice, aside from the tail.

This is defo just a rehash of Witty's mould, even down to the finished products kinda rough QC and lack of stand, you'd think $50usd more would get you a stand lol
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Until something better comes out the Herpa (and possibly the JC wings) SU-30 is the only viable option I'm aware of.

Whether you loved it or hated it, the Witty SU-30 was a popular model, they are damn near impossible to find now, and very pricey when you do.

The Herpa SU-27, unfortunately, suffers from the same glaring fault that the Witty model did, not enough "nose droop". I still can't understand why, if Herpa was going to resurrect the Witty SU-27, that they didn't use the SU-27UB mold which did have the correct nose profile, that makes absolutely no sense to me.
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Lets see, you've got 9 posts, joined a month ago, and I'm assuming you don't own one of these models..??

I have to say with all due respect, I didn't find your comment particularly constructive or helpful.
Now why did you have to go and give me the impression that you're the guy on this forum who confuses his post count on the internet with missions/ kills/ hours/ whatever in the real world (and every diecast forum seems to have that guy)?

Show me your CV and I might show you mine.

I've owned several Witty Flankers and hence no, not this Herpa release. It appeared that you were unaware of the history of this far from perfect tooling. Sorry if you found my allusion to it's history and subsequent price hike unhelpful. Sounds like a personal issue to me, with equal due respect.

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So which Witty Flankers are much sought after? I see a couple of Su-27s offered on eBay for prices between GBP35-GBP60 (Ukrainian, Russian Knights, KnAAPO).
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So which Witty Flankers are much sought after? I see a couple of Su-27s offered on eBay for prices between GBP35-GBP60 (Ukrainian, Russian Knights, KnAAPO).
WTW72014-14 sold by skinner67 few months ago against numerous $


this one too :
WTY72014-17 actually on ebay australia


The SU27 UB too, i could see it were sight after...




It's true, shape is not the best we have seen... but they deserve to exist.
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Is there any truth in the rumour that HM is doing a Flanker next year?
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i heard something on forum (i don't remember if it's here or on MH3) about a guy having asked to william... who would have confirm this rumour...
wait 'n see
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Is there any truth in the rumour that HM is doing a Flanker next year?
Well, I think most of us could agree that would be the best scenario.

Unfortunately, I don't think HM has any plans to produce anything in the Flanker series at the present time, but I could be mistaken about that.

Does anyone know if the JC wings Flankers are also based on the Witty mold..??
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A shame if they don't - I would have thought there is a decent market for Russian planes.
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I heard directly from an HM regional distributor that HM is interested in making flankers (not SU-27 but SU-30).

Everyone I know said that JC Wings' flankers use Witty's mold. Cannot confirm since I don't own one.
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Well, I think most of us could agree that would be the best scenario.

Unfortunately, I don't think HM has any plans to produce anything in the Flanker series at the present time, but I could be mistaken about that.

Does anyone know if the JC wings Flankers are also based on the Witty mold..??
As far as I am aware (can't remember where I heard it) JC Wings own the Witty mould and Herpa license produce from it. Like Gemini did with Witty.

Also heard a HM Flanker is on the cards too!
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Well, I think most of us could agree that would be the best scenario.

Unfortunately, I don't think HM has any plans to produce anything in the Flanker series at the present time, but I could be mistaken about that.
HM plans to produce the Su-35 soon, and if that goes well, the Su-27.
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Goddam it I already own an AF1 Su-35.
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I heard directly from an HM regional distributor that HM is interested in making flankers (not SU-27 but SU-30).

Everyone I know said that JC Wings' flankers use Witty's mold. Cannot confirm since I don't own one.
Yes Both JC Wings and Herpa share the old Witty mould.
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Yes Both JC Wings and Herpa share the old Witty mould.
Can't make up my mind whether I like the paint scheme more on the Herpa release or this one from JC wings...

Su-30MK Flanker-C 1:72 Diecast Model - JC Wings JC-JCW-72-SU30-001 - $94.99

The JC model is $30 cheaper too, so that's a consideration for those of us on a budget.

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Great, pics for SU-30 and ukrainian SU-27 are available...
For me, JC wings...
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Yep. I'd definitely go for the JC Wings Su 30.
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Agree. The JC Wings Su 30 looks very nice and I like the paint scheme.
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It's a shame nobody seems interested in giving us a single-seat Su-27 with a decently shaped canopy/nose area - the Witty mould is way off! The two-seat mould is okay, I actually really like mine (I have the PLAAF Su-30MK and the RuAF Su-27UB).

AF1 did a good single-seat Su-35..maybe too many rivets, but it meets the other standards fine. But they've done very poor to marginal J-11, 15s and 16s - fixed gear, only one scheme for each thus far, and for the J-16 the wing folds with the uncovered piano hinges - a nice feature, but not well executed and the tailplanes don't fold as well as they're supposed to.

So far nobody outside of Gaincorp has given us a decent canarded Flanker, be it an Su-33 with the tailhook and truncated tailboom or the Su-35, as well as later versions of the Su-30MKI (India has Su-30s with and without the canards and thrust vectoring). And I'd really really like an Su-34 Fullback with retractable/swappable gear, Gaincorp did it but those are at a premium now and the current company cloning that mould went with fixed gear only.

Air Force 1 could have fixed the flaws of their models and released additional schemes, but I don't know if they had issues with sales numbers or what. But we haven't seen much new from them. Odd that they pump out releases and tooling, but don't seem to want to recoup the tooling investments with additional schemes.

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Agree with every single word you’re saying, Jumper!

Even when you didn´t mentioned the noname Chinese SU-35 which I mentioned here and which in spite of slightly incorrect colors and some other faults I personally consider as the best diecast Flanker currently on the market, its really shame that no premium producer decided to go for Flanker which has all expectations to be highly desired and marketable model with almost infinite number of variants, chinese licenced and indigenous models, operators and bort numbers.

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Great, pics for SU-30 and ukrainian SU-27 are available...
For me, JC wings...
The Soviet Su-30 is lacking detail (underside) and the Ukr Su-27 camo pattern appears to be wrong

HM will no doubt do a Flanker of some type, maybe once they have gouged the Tomcat market or collectors are willing to pay $150USD for a HM flanker. Because it strikes me as odd that HM complained soviet models wouldn't sell yet their pricing is very rich.... seems like their just gouging what they knew was really popular all along
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Any of you that are interested in JC Wing's Ukrainian Flanker, I would think twice, its correctly wrong.

It's missing a whole section of blue camo in the centre of the model, the greys are too wide and dark and the blue around the canopy is shaped wrong and shouldn't extend past the first gun vent.

I've emailed an influential dealer about the errors but it might be too late.

Also check out the detailing under the Ukrainian flanker and then the Soviet Flanker, the later looks like its completely missing underside markings.

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Indeed...
But, any ways exist to contact JC Wings no ? too bad...
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Is there any truth in the rumour that HM is doing a Flanker next year?

A month ago, i wrote to HM (William) to say thanks after seeing the project of MIG-25.
I asked him if, in the plans of HM, another soviet planes will be make.
His answer :
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short, but encouraging
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A month ago, i wrote to HM (William) to say thanks after seeing the project of MIG-25.
I asked him if, in the plans of HM, another soviet planes will be make.
His answer :

We will be making more Soviet aircraft mdoels in the future indeed

short, but encouraging

Thats really funny - listen what happened to ME:

A month ago or so I wrote to William to say thanks for the MIG-25 project.
I asked him if there is a chance in the plans of HM for Flanker - if Flanker could be made.

His answer:
We will surely consider more "Su" in the future including Su-35 and Su-27 indeed.

Looks optimistic but actually can mean anything.
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William tells ppl what they want to hear so they keep buying, I lobbied for an Su-25, was told probably not, now we have a Foxbat which is great but a lot less options then a Frogfoot. HM do what they think is right and sometimes told by $hills what's popular (when it's actually not) how a flanker is not done by them yet means either bad advice or their waiting till the time is right to gouge us lol

And the reality is, if they did do a Flanker, it'll be at a time it's so ridiculously priced we'll be begging for these half a$$ed JCW/Herpa Flankers lol
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Sure, but more precise !!
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William tells ppl what they want to hear so they keep buying, I lobbied for an Su-25, was told probably not, now we have a Foxbat which is great but a lot less options then a Frogfoot. HM do what they think is right and sometimes told by $hills what's popular (when it's actually not) how a flanker is not done by them yet means either bad advice or their waiting till the time is right to gouge us lol

And the reality is, if they did do a Flanker, it'll be at a time it's so ridiculously priced we'll be begging for these half a$$ed JCW/Herpa Flankers lol
In general I agree.

Words like "soon" or "in the future" can mean a lot of different things, but I think most of us as long time collectors understand that the wheels at HM grind rather slowly.

The Flanker is a large model, basically in the same size class as the F-14, but without the variable geometry wings, so it's going to be an expensive model to produce, especially when you consider that HM would likely be building it "from the ground up" with regard to tooling.
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We should get a rough idea of what a HM Flanker will costs once we see the RRP for the announced Mig 25. The Flanker is a bit bigger, but same ballpark.
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The Soviet Su-30 is lacking detail (underside) and the Ukr Su-27 camo pattern appears to be wrong

HM will no doubt do a Flanker of some type, maybe once they have gouged the Tomcat market or collectors are willing to pay $150USD for a HM flanker. Because it strikes me as odd that HM complained soviet models wouldn't sell yet their pricing is very rich.... seems like their just gouging what they knew was really popular all along
That was the one thing that put me off a little on what is otherwise a very appealing model. Certainly I was more impressed than the Mig 29 release by JC.

Possibly not a deal breaker as I'm likely to display it gears down anyway if I get one. Saves on buying a stand!
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TFM reckon $120usd, I'm guessing at least that if a Super Hornet is more then $120, just based on size and the fact there's a limited shelf life for the Foxbat so they'll want to recover their $$ much sooner
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Defective JCW Flankers are already on route to dealers so guess the first two they made will be dumpers pretty soon haha
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Defective JCW Flankers are already on route to dealers so guess the first two they made will be dumpers pretty soon haha
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Who's the discerning modeler now?
I thought I always was ? At least according to Mouthy Mouse

Pretty obvious JCW gave zero f**ks about their first two Flankers, not holding my breath for the rest

Funny how they go 1 step forward with their Tomcat, 5 steps back with their flanker

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Old 11-29-2016, 11:50 PM   #46 (permalink)
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What JCW bothered to make:



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really to bad this huge error...
Perfect for coder 3 !
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