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Old 02-21-2017, 06:05 AM   #101
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That's according to Jumblies, sounds about right for the Flogger, Tomcat seems underestimated so if it's at least as heavy as the Tomcat, that should mean a decent amount of zinc.

The Foxbat is a beast of a aircraft, so unless HM use plastic for the main body (highly doubt it) that should mean it'll be very heavy.
i did weigh the tomcats before. don't remember the exact figure but probably around 1.2-1.3kg max. i'm thinking at most the foxbat would be 1.8-2kg? at 2.5, they're probably the costliest weights in my gym...










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This is going to be quite the chunk of zinc!

I wonder if it will replace the CW SR-71 as the zombie chopper of choice among the DAC community?

In any case it is certainly going to be very impressive. I can't wait to see one in the metal; very happy the silliness with former members and Hobbymaster Collector has been sorted out so we can have the pre-prods shared on here as soon as they are available
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This is going to be quite the chunk of zinc!

I wonder if it will replace the CW SR-71 as the zombie chopper of choice among the DAC community?

In any case it is certainly going to be very impressive. I can't wait to see one in the metal; very happy the silliness with former members and Hobbymaster Collector has been sorted out so we can have the pre-prods shared on here as soon as they are available
I originally had the J-8 Finback as my zombie slayer, this might take its spot with sher heavy brute force

Brace your(cabs), the Foxbat is coming
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I originally had the J-8 Finback as my zombie slayer, this might take its spot with sher heavy brute force

Brace your(cabs), the Foxbat is coming
Yeah, IDK if I would be placing this one right in the middle of one of my long glass shelves (even if they weren't in my VN cabs and so not in the running to house one of these anyway..)
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never!!! blackbirds forever!!! banzai!!! oh wait... i mean habu
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Some production photos (unpainted/unprinted) of the MiG-25P just went up on the Hobby Master web site. Shipping date has been advanced from May to April.
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Some production photos (unpainted/unprinted) of the MiG-25P just went up on the Hobby Master web site. Shipping date has been advanced from May to April.
from: Hobby Master 1/72 Air Power Series (Jet Powered) HA5601 - MIG-25P Foxbat Red13, flown by Lt. (Sg.) V. Belenko, Japan 1976

Wow, what a beast
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Thank You HM! Looks really nice 'and 'heavy' Now for some camo releases after this one.
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What a beast over there!
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It's all fun and games until someone gets poked in the eye with that......

That is one BIG MF'r !!

Intimidating indeed in the raw.......bring on the schemes

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intimidating indeed in the raw.......bring on the schemes :d

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It's all fun and games until someone gets poked in the eye with that......

That is one BIG MF'r !!

Intimidating indeed in the raw.......bring on the schemes

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It does look nice ! It seems that the mould design allows different versions, I hope HM is planning some of them.
However I also noticed that the pictures of the unpainted model are showing a fairing under the radar radome, which is correct for a MiG-25PD but not for the P version (the fairing was for the IR search and track system implemented on the improved version of the MiG-25 studied after Belenko's defection). I hope it's only a mismatch that will be corrected on the final release.
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It does look nice ! It seems that the mould design allows different versions, I hope HM is planning some of them.
However I also noticed that the pictures of the unpainted model are showing a fairing under the radar radome, which is correct for a MiG-25PD but not for the P version (the fairing was for the IR search and track system implemented on the improved version of the MiG-25 studied after Belenko's defection). I hope it's only a mismatch that will be corrected on the final release.
it does look like it's part of the nose assembly and perhaps they'll use a different nose cone assembly for the mig-25p?
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I will wait for the next Mig-25. belenko was traitor! I don't want that in my collection.
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traitor make history... so this MIg-25 will land in my collection
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Asked William about the weight, suggests a lot of plastic was used. Approx. 460 grams.
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Asked William about the weight, suggests a lot of plastic was used. Approx. 460 grams.
monsieur uf... guess jumblies was wrong with the 2.5kg assumption? but william said 460g? for this beast? makes me wonder whether this model's a plastic model or hollow diecast
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I just weighed a few of my models to put it into context:

HM Tomcat: 560g
HM F-22: 500g
HM Prowler: 410g
HM Spook: 330g
HM Flogger: 190g
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Looking at the dimensions of the real planes, I would have expected it to come in at around the same weight as the Tomcat.
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I just weighed a few of my models to put it into context:

HM Tomcat: 560g
HM F-22: 500g
HM Prowler: 410g
HM Spook: 330g
HM Flogger: 190g
i knew the flogger was light... but not THAT light!

hmm... i think i'll weigh my parcels the next time they arrive to see whether i've been overcharged!
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They're obviously all without packaging but do include all ordinance, etc; so 'as displayed'.
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They're obviously all without packaging but do include all ordinance, etc; so 'as displayed'.
how much does the viper/fulcrum weigh? i still think there's a lot of plastic in that flogger...
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how much does the viper/fulcrum weigh? i still think there's a lot of plastic in that flogger...
I don't have a Fulcrum, but I just weighed the Viper and it weighs 194g, so pretty much the same as the Flogger.
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It would be cool to see a HM mig-23 or F-16, close to the Mig-25...
just to see !
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Whats probably plastic and whats probably metal you can guess from the photos on Hawkone's website. For me it looks like only the air intakes, exhaust nozzles, nose cone (and gear doors, ordnance, antennas etc...) are plastic parts. Rest of the fuselage seems to me from metal. Final weight of course depends on inner construction too.

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it does look like it's part of the nose assembly and perhaps they'll use a different nose cone assembly for the mig-25p?
I hope so.

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I will wait for the next Mig-25. belenko was traitor! I don't want that in my collection.
My thoughts too. As much as I'd like a MiG-25 in my collection, I'll probably pass on this one.
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I will wait for the next Mig-25. belenko was traitor! I don't want that in my collection.
Yes, he was - a traitor to Soviet tyranny. And he was welcomed with open arms by the free people of the world.
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monsieur uf... guess jumblies was wrong with the 2.5kg assumption? but william said 460g? for this beast? makes me wonder whether this model's a plastic model or hollow diecast
Jumblies are obviously quoting shipping weight (model & box, shipping box and packaging), disappointing and inaccurate this isn't heavier then a Tomcat, which is 200kg lighter empty weight

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Yes, he was - a traitor to Soviet tyranny. And he was welcomed with open arms by the free people of the world.
Is the air rather thin up there on that high horse ? This man was a pilot and an officer, not a conscript grunt, let's get this straight, about the only tyranny he would of suffered was maybe less beetroot in his borscht

That said, I will still get this release despite the gutless traitor for $$$ the pilot was as I don't want to wait 3 yrs for a proper soviet release.
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Yes, he was - a traitor to Soviet tyranny. And he was welcomed with open arms by the free people of the world.
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traitor make history... so this MIg-25 will land in my collection
hahaha... mebbe hm could add a viktor ivanovich belenko into their action figure line
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Is the air rather thin up there on that high horse ? This man was a pilot and an officer, not a conscript grunt, let's get this straight, about the only tyranny he would of suffered was maybe less beetroot in his borscht

That said, I will still get this release despite the gutless traitor for $$$ the pilot was as I don't want to wait 3 yrs for a proper soviet release.
I'd think a guy like you (with a Ukrainian handle) would have figured this one out a long time ago. Compare the actions of the Soviet Union in 1976 to those of Russia in 2017. The similarities between those two corrupt, repressive and aggressive governments are striking, are they not?

Belenko rebelled against Soviet tyranny, something he knew about first hand and came to despise. He was indeed a highly privileged pilot under the Soviet system, but despite all of his privileges he still couldn't stomach the idea of continuing to serve such a monstrous government.

There's a lesson there that applies today, every bit as much as it did in 1976. We've had this discussion before and you're entitled to your opinion, even though I and most of the Free World holds the opposite view.

Enjoy the model.

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Dup post....

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And a pot of gold (probably literally given in those days) had nothing to do with it....

Thanks I will enjoy the model, looks like it's shaping up to be a nice mould from HM.

I also have the PLAAF MiG-15 pilot traitor release as well and despite its history, enjoy the model very much.
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monsieur uf... guess jumblies was wrong with the 2.5kg assumption? but william said 460g? for this beast? makes me wonder whether this model's a plastic model or hollow diecast
It may well be hollow Diecast .... I base that on the answer from F-14's reply in which he says that the square/rectangle pieces in the pics below are indeed weights from the inside of the HM F-4 he is Code 3ing.

That then begs the questions for me...myself, never having to open a Diecast model, ....whether all my planes are hollow with weights. Are there any 1/72 models that is solid metal, not counting the obvious plastic parts ? Just thought I put that out there. I'm not willing to start taking apart planes just to answer that question. But if they are hollow, are we getting ripped off if we assume they are solid when they may not be?

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dinky toys, perhaps?
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Unless shown different...i'll predict that the Foxbat will be hollow metal with weights.

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lol... i definitely won't bet against you

i doubt any of the modern day diecast models are solid. if they were, you'd probably have no issues with seams
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No where did the manufacturer stated that the models are solid die cast.

The weights I assumed are used to balance the model, otherwise most planes will be nose up.

Moreover, I hate to think about the cost of shipping a 3-4 kg of solid die cast model.
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No where did the manufacturer stated that the models are solid die cast.

The weights I assumed are used to balance the model, otherwise most planes will be nose up.

Moreover, I hate to think about the cost of shipping a 3-4 kg of solid die cast model.
true that. but i guess people were wondering how is it that a beast of an aircraft weights "only" 460g. it does suggest that less metal is being used.
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Weight wise, go for Aviation 72 and Falcon models, they are value for money.

AV72 Austrian Draken 430g
FM F-86G Yugoslavia 278g (HM F-86F 182g)
FM RAAF IIIO 272g

Of similar size model,
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So HM-25P is really underweight.
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Most of the Chinese domestic market brands like Terebo, AVIC and AF1 are much more heavier, that market assumes something heavy to be of high quality but it could be gappy AF

We are assuming manu scale the weight as well, I'm guessing they don't and use whatever amounts of metal and plastic in order to make a balanced or cost effective model. Though I didn't mind the plastic Flogger wings, the weight was slightly disappointing. If this DOESN'T end up being the heaviest HM model, I'd feel abit disappointed and cheated. It has to be one of the biggest 1/72 models on the market that's not a heavy bomber.

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Weight wise, go for Aviation 72 and Falcon models, they are value for money.

AV72 Austrian Draken 430g
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FM RAAF IIIO 272g

Of similar size model,
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So HM-25P is really underweight.
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Most of the Chinese domestic market brands like Terebo, AVIC and AF1 are much more heavier, that market assumes something heavy to be of high quality but it could be gappy AF

We are assuming manu scale the weight as well, I'm guessing they don't and use whatever amounts of metal and plastic in order to make a balanced or cost effective model. Though I didn't mind the plastic Flogger wings, the weight was slightly disappointing. If this DOESN'T end up being the heaviest HM model, I'd feel abit disappointed and cheated. It has to be one of the biggest 1/72 models on the market that's not a heavy bomber.
lol... you're right. if you wanted value for money weight-wise, go for terebo, avic or af1. even av72 and fm loose out spectacularly.
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You mean cast zinc...
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If you guys want heavy heavy planes buy polystone planes but they only make them in 1/30 .
All diecast planes are hollow. The parts are metals and put together just like plastic planes ( but less parts hence less detail).
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If you guys want heavy heavy planes buy polystone planes but they only make them in 1/30 .
All diecast planes are hollow. The parts are metals and put together just like plastic planes ( but less parts hence less detail).
we'd have to start a polystone aircraft forum then
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Witty wings flanker : 532 gr
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Correction TC !

A Zinc Diecast/Plastic/Polystone/Aluminum Aircraft Forum ...... Did I miss any other materials? I'm sure I did.....

Naw...as we all know ...we never shun topics of other types of aircraft models and of other materials which are often interesting.

We all know the default interest of this forum is Diecast metal

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no I didn't.
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Awesome aircraft, but you have to admit, it's the kind of fighter jet you might have doodled in homeroom class, including the cartoony landing gear.
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