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Old 09-25-2016, 06:31 AM   #201
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Gun vent photos now available on their Facebook site. Also a couple more new photos.
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Oh dear, look at that gap..... And that gloss :-/
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Oh dear, look at that gap..... And that gloss :-/
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"This model that is being shown is that of a 1st test shot. From the test shot, we are able to identify gaps and corrections. Thereafter and currently, we are adjusting the tooling to correct the errors seen on the test shot."

The gap, to me, seems more noticeable in the 'JR' than the 'Wolfpack'. Good news for me!
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Oh dear.

That gloss is dreadful on the Wolfpack.

At least that can be resolved relatively easily. The gunport fit/gap is more of a worry. The gap's bad, but it doesn't even seem to sit flush
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And the fuselage gap is as worse as ever before
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Old 09-25-2016, 06:59 AM   #206
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guess this would actually be the second test shot of the first painted proto since their first test shot never included a shot from this angle. or did they mean publicity shot instead of test shot? or... ? oh nevermind... (drumming fingers waiting for production model shots).

anyway, monsieur firefighterpilot must be ecstatic since they got the gun vents correct, nevermind the gaps and such

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Yeah nice one FFP, great suggestion that one was
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Well, Noel did say the Hobby Show model would have the wrong colours and be put together from parts with errors before they were corrected. That a sample model with the latest improvements might be ready in around 2 weeks.

I would wait for the final production model that is the one delivered to retailers before making a judgement on whether it's any good or not.
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Yeah nice one FFP, great suggestion that one was
It might be the only cost effective way if anyone wanted an accurate early F-14 model. Who knows what HM plans for their VF-1.
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Old 09-25-2016, 08:07 AM   #210
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Regarding the use of gloss, I found these.
note the reflection of the wings on the tail, supporting the gloss finish on the aircraft.




note the sheen on the fuselage
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No ones saying no to gloss, just don't use cans of Cheapo gloss from the local hardware store ;-)
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No ones saying no to gloss, just don't use cans of Cheapo gloss from the local hardware store ;-)
sigh... usn were on budget cuts then. they didn't have a choice
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Don't forget it's a sample a test shot It can't be perfect.

And they said the color are off and it's off.

I'll hope calibre take the time to correct all the faults but they seems very implicated and they certainly know that a failure on the quality of the first release will be a disaster for their company.....but I'll continue to think they listen to the problems and they are going to solve it.

Despite the flaw there is some very good points on the model.
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The paint details look much sharper than HM's first attempts on their prepo. The gap on the gun tab is rough, needs to be tightened up. That is the issue you have with a models that can switch out for accurate ports. I may do the glue paint trick if needed to close those gaps.
Gloss is a problem, killed CW's aardvark for me. The original CW models were painted with a semi gloss paint and they looked good. The colors are off, but not bad and the gloss accentuates the mistakes.
I hope they can fix the canopy bar, that really throws off the look and the eye is drawn into that main are of detail. They got it right on the art of the box, now just need to get it right on the model.
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Very nice fitment of the Phoenix pallets. Concerned about the applied markings, though. Notice how the red stripe on the VF-1 plane seems to be a sticker rather than tampo, covering up the panel lines.
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Very nice fitment of the Phoenix pallets. Concerned about the applied markings, though. Notice how the red stripe on the VF-1 plane seems to be a sticker rather than tampo, covering up the panel lines.
It does look like all decals, thing is - the model was only done for the Hobby Show and we were told it will be wrong. Could be decals was used because they were running out of time. The final production version will be the test on how good the model actually is.
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we shall see... in a COUPLE of weeks
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Photos showing the optional closed and open engine exhaust nozzles.

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Thanks to this gimmick, we won't be able to use a Witty stand....

Also noticing alot of paint chips and paint looks abit too thick, these must be separate issues to the factory not listening to instructions
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The only reason why the palletes for AIM-54s show less gap than CW/HM is because these Calibre wings ones are not correctly shaped nor correctly placed.
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The pallets are probably clay on this sample
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Thanks to this gimmick, we won't be able to use a Witty stand....
I don't have any Tomcats on Witty stands, so I'm happy with this gimmick.
Actually, don't the Witty stands hold the tomcats by the tail sections between the engines anyway? If so, then it would have no bearing on the nozzles. Only the different section shapes might be affected.

Though I'd still prefer a better stand than what they're proposing. Something transparent like the CW and AC stands.

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My bad, ok then, a CW type stand, which everyone would prefer

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can't speak for "everyone" but i do prefer the cw stands. to each his own, i suppose. i just don't fancy having bubble infused stands

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I just noticed on this pic that the insides of the ventral strakes are white, as opposed to red on the sample. Is that noted too?
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Looks like the decals used on the VF-1 test model cover up that gap around the gun panel. I really hope they will manage to make it hardly noticeable, as well as that speed brake. If not then I will stick to my HM and CW Tomcats and pass on these.
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Looks like the decals used on the VF-1 test model cover up that gap around the gun panel. I really hope they will manage to make it hardly noticeable, as well as that speed brake. If not then I will stick to my HM and CW Tomcats and pass on these.
well, to some collectors that gap allegedly doesn't matter so long as they get the gun vents correct
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well, to some collectors that gap allegedly doesn't matter so long as they get the gun vents correct
Completely understandable, obviously...
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Completely understandable, obviously...
oh? how so???
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Looking at the JR F-14B it looks like they have the nozzles of those F-110's more accurate in terms of color and shape than anyone else I've seen.
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Looking at the JR F-14B it looks like they have the nozzles of those F-110's more accurate in terms of color and shape than anyone else I've seen.
for god's sake people... it's just a S-A-M-P-L-E, they could still revise the shape and colour of the nozzles on the final production model
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Looks like the decals used on the VF-1 test model cover up that gap around the gun panel. I really hope they will manage to make it hardly noticeable, as well as that speed brake. If not then I will stick to my HM and CW Tomcats and pass on these.
It could end up being different models having different flaws... and up to the collector to decide what ones are a deal breaker or what models are worth paying the retail.

Apparently the gun vents are being printed and sort of raises a question of would a separate gun panel be required if they could change the vents by just changing the print? If the gun was part of the fuselage molding then a panel gap wouldn't be there...
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It could end up being different models having different flaws... and up to the collector to decide what ones are a deal breaker or what models are worth paying the retail.

Apparently the gun vents are being printed and sort of raises a question of would a separate gun panel be required if they could change the vents by just changing the print? If the gun was part of the fuselage molding then a panel gap wouldn't be there...
well somebody obviously thought it's a good idea to have separate allegedly plastic panels for the gun vents since they were going with the whole interchangeable parts thingy (oops... colour mismatch on the beaver tail to?)

breathe in... breathe out... slowly... it's only a s-a-m-p-l-e and they still have "a couple of weeks" to iron things out before the model goes into full swing production.
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well somebody obviously thought it's a good idea to have separate allegedly plastic panels for the gun vents since they were going with the whole interchangeable parts thingy (oops... colour mismatch on the beaver tail to?)
Lucky for you there is HM and CW that you can go to instead. Heck, if you don't care about accuracy and just want that solid piece of metal, you can support Witty's Tomcat molds that are out there. Clearly this brand is not something you'd appreciate.
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Lucky for you there is HM and CW that you can go to instead. Heck, if you don't care about accuracy and just want that solid piece of metal, you can support Witty's Tomcat molds that are out there. Clearly this brand is not something you'd appreciate.
Don't think any issue was being taken with the accuracy, as E_F noted it is more a question of whether that could be delivered in a different way, such as via printing rather than a separate part that increases the risk of a noticeable gap?

We'll see shortly how the final product works out in that regard.
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Lucky for you there is HM and CW that you can go to instead. Heck, if you don't care about accuracy and just want that solid piece of metal, you can support Witty's Tomcat molds that are out there. Clearly this brand is not something you'd appreciate.
In the end, I think this one is going to come down to which flaws people find easiest to live with, exactly as suggested by Eagle_Flyer.

The mould certainly has its good points, but poor QC could conceivably render the Witty a better buy.

We'll just have to wait and see.
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Don't think any issue was being taken with the accuracy, as E_F noted it is more a question of whether that could be delivered in a different way, such as via printing rather than a separate part that increases the risk of a noticeable gap?

We'll see shortly how the final product works out in that regard.
printing panel lines and shapes on a 1/72 model will not go down well with this community. It might be ok for 1/200, but I don't think it would be accepted for 1/72.
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Now that there's a Flogger, Foxbot, flanker, fencer and Frogfoot out, who GAF about tomcats lol
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Now that there's a Flogger, Foxbot, flanker, fencer and Frogfoot out, who GAF about tomcats lol
And that was the last we heard from him on the Tomcat threads.

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And that was the last we heard from him on the Tomcat threads.

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we need tomcats to shoot the dumb Flogger, Foxbot, flanker, fencer and Frogfoot who loves being shot always.
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Lucky for you there is HM and CW that you can go to instead. Heck, if you don't care about accuracy and just want that solid piece of metal, you can support Witty's Tomcat molds that are out there. Clearly this brand is not something you'd appreciate.
yups... one lucky buzzard. this solid piece of metal landed last week

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Dear Dan

I have had a meeting with the factory today and we have ironed out a lot of issues and are heading in the right direction.

However, due to the long Chinese holidays beginning on 1st Oct to 7th Oct, our sample, which I previously thought can be ready in 2 weeks time, will now be ready only on 25th October.

I just wanted too give you the heads up since we will not have something to show in the 2 weeks time frame that I previously spoke about.

Again, there will not be decals for the markings, they will all be printed.

The VF-1 will not be as glossy and the colors of the VF-103 are now confirmed.

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Dear Dan

I have had a meeting with the factory today and we have ironed out a lot of issues and are heading in the right direction.

However, due to the long Chinese holidays beginning on 1st Oct tis 7th Oct, our sample, which I previously thought can be ready in 2 weeks time, will now be ready only on 25th October.

I just wanted too give you the heads up since we will not have something to show in the 2 weeks time frame that I previously spoke about.

Again, there will not be decals for the markings, they will all be printed.

The VF-1 will not be as glossy and the colors of the VF-103 are now confirmed.

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Dear Dan

I have had a meeting with the factory today and we have ironed out a lot of issues and are heading in the right direction.

However, due to the long Chinese holidays beginning on 1st Oct tis 7th Oct, our sample, which I previously thought can be ready in 2 weeks time, will now be ready only on 25th October.

I just wanted too give you the heads up since we will not have something to show in the 2 weeks time frame that I previously spoke about.

Again, there will not be decals for the markings, they will all be printed.

The VF-1 will not be as glossy and the colors of the VF-103 are now confirmed.

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see? this is what happens when you don't camp out at chinese factories...
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why do you even bother posting. sounds like you just want to troll Dan every chance you get. Its already making you look like rubbish.
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How was that directed at Dan?

It was purely aimed at CalWings and their apologists, with their ever shifting stories about what they are going to do...

Forgive me my growing cynicism, but, as I have said many times in this thread, while I am hoping for the best with this manu I am also - after all the failures to deliver despite considerable hype - preparing for the worst.

To me this just seems prudent. The mould definitely has potential, but I personally don't want to miss out on getting the best VF-1 NK100 I can as it is one of the few Tomcat schemes I really want.

At the moment I have the CalWings VF-1 on order, but at some point I am going to have to decide whether to cancel that and order HM's (as I have with NK105) or stick with CalWings. Them chopping and changing their story every few days, releasing terrible S-A-M-P-L-E-S and especially pushing back the "real date" when we can expect to see a true pre-prod makes this much, much harder.

Given the way HM are releasing so many Tomcats in an evident effort to crush CalWings at birth, I don't think it's unreasonable to consider that CalWings understand this dynamic and are twisting and turning to keep guys like me on the hook as long as possible.

I honestly don't see why you would think this was a "troll" against Dan when these concerns are so self-evidently justified, except that I think perhaps you are uncomfortable with people holding opinions different to your own.

I openly admit to having been disappointed in Dan's own attitudes towards dissent/other people holding independent opinions in the past, and not being a fan of shilling as a means of promotion, but seriously, not everything written on the internet that you don't like is trolling.

This tendency among you guys to become so defensive and take everything as a personal insult is really very tedious, and not at all conducive to the forum's discussion. Indeed, your own aggression and direct personal attacks (as above) are the very embodiment of what you just accused me of.

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How was that directed at Dan?

It was purely aimed at CalWings and their apologists, with their ever shifting stories about what they are going to do...

Forgive me my growing cynicism, but, as I have said many times in this thread, while I am hoping for the best with this manu I am also - after all the failures to deliver despite considerable hype - preparing for the worst.

To me this just seems prudent. The mould definitely has potential, but I personally don't want to miss out on getting the best VF-1 NK100 I can as it is one of the few Tomcat schemes I really want.

At the moment I have the CalWings VF-1 on order, but at some point I am going to have to decide whether to cancel that and order HM's (as I have with NK105) or stick with CalWings. Them chopping and changing their story every few days, releasing terrible S-A-M-P-L-E-S and especially pushing back the "real date" when we can expect to see a true pre-prod makes this much, much harder.

Given the way HM are releasing so many Tomcats in an evident effort to crush CalWings at birth, I don't think it's unreasonable to consider that CalWings understand this dynamic and are twisting and turning to keep guys like me on the hook as long as possible.

I honestly don't see why you would think this was a "troll" against Dan when these concerns are so self-evidently justified, except that I think perhaps you are uncomfortable with people holding opinions different to your own.

I openly admit to having been disappointed in Dan's own attitudes towards dissent/other people holding independent opinions in the past, and not being a fan of shilling as a means of promotion, but seriously, not everything written on the internet that you don't like is trolling.

This tendency among you guys to become so defensive and take everything as a personal insult is really very tedious, and not at all conducive to the forum's discussion. Indeed, your own aggression and direct personal attacks (as above) are the very embodiment of what you just accused me of.
You certainly give the impression of being a troll as it seems to follow almost all of Dan's posts. Dan just passes on a message that I think you should be grateful of being privy to. And especially if you've read about the hobby or industry over the years, its no surprise that China has 2 key holiday periods. October and Chinese New Year. I'm not saying you can't comment negatively, but so far your posts comes across more like trolling/sniping at every opportunity you get whether its warranted or not.
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You certainly give the impression of being a troll as it seems to follow almost all of Dan's posts. Dan just passes on a message that I think you should be grateful of being privy to. And especially if you've read about the hobby or industry over the years, its no surprise that China has 2 key holiday periods. October and Chinese New Year. I'm not saying you can't comment negatively, but so far your posts comes across more like trolling/sniping at every opportunity you get whether its warranted or not.
It can only be viewed as attacks on Dan if you conflate Dan and the manufacturers, something I simply do not do.

All I can do is repeat: criticism of the manu's handling of this release is not a criticism of the person who passes on the message.

The only times I have criticised Dan himself is when he has acted disruptively in the forum to suit his own ends: eg, the ridiculous double posting he engages in to suit his own opaque agenda, or things like the Zinc Chromate farrago which was all just guesses.

Even that was criticism of specific actions, not him in an ad hominem such as you indulged in against me in #246, or Dan himself went nuts with against UF using his "UF is an idiot" signature.

There is actually a significant difference between attacking the man and attacking the argument...

Otherwise, it is just a case of he happens to have taken the role of mouthpiece upon himself and I am commenting on the "news", not the reporter.

In the time I have been commenting actively here, there are many more cases of me commenting on things I like overall than being negative.

I have been indulging in this hobby for a decade now and a member of this forum since '08 - not as long as you or Dan, but a lot longer than most. Not raising concerns or trying to gloss over them does nothing to help, but a great deal to harm, this hobby we all enjoy.

Finally, I don't want to argue with people, but I am not going to lie down and cop crap from people who are getting all hot under the collar over their own wildly inventive misinterpretations of what I've said.

If that makes me come across as being abrasive then that's a shame, but I there is no onus on me to take unjustified crap.

Any more than there is on you, Dan, UF, FortunateSon, Tripoli, Spooky, Tomcatter, Roydair or any other member...
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Thanks Dan I suppose we shouldn't be surprised by the delay. Hope it doesn't drag out as long as the Flying Tigers 109 exclusive. That took 3 years to release and came with QC issues IIRC

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Dear Dan

I have had a meeting with the factory today and we have ironed out a lot of issues and are heading in the right direction.

However, due to the long Chinese holidays beginning on 1st Oct to 7th Oct, our sample, which I previously thought can be ready in 2 weeks time, will now be ready only on 25th October.

I just wanted too give you the heads up since we will not have something to show in the 2 weeks time frame that I previously spoke about.

Again, there will not be decals for the markings, they will all be printed.

The VF-1 will not be as glossy and the colors of the VF-103 are now confirmed.

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